Topic: why do people believe in God?
TBRich's photo
Thu 08/07/14 03:24 PM
STEVE WINWOOD LYRICS
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"Higher Love"

Think about it, there must be higher love
Down in the heart or hidden in the stars above
Without it, life is a wasted time
Look inside your heart, I'll look inside mine
Things look so bad everywhere
In this whole world, what is fair?
We walk blind and we try to see
Falling behind in what could be

Bring me a higher love
Bring me a higher love
Bring me a higher love
Where's that higher love I keep thinking of?

Worlds are turning and we're just hanging on
Facing our fear and standing out there alone
A yearning, and it's real to me
There must be someone who's feeling for me
Things look so bad everywhere
In this whole world, what is fair?
We walk blind and we try to see
Falling behind in what could be

Bring me a higher love
Bring me a higher love
Bring me a higher love
Where's that higher love I keep thinking of?

Bring me a higher love
Bring me a higher love
Bring be a higher love
I could rise above on a higher love

I will wait for it
I'm not too late for it
Until then, I'll sing my song
To cheer the night along
Bring it... Oh bring it...

I could light the night up with my soul on fire
I could make the sun shine from pure desire
Let me feel that love come over me
Let me feel how strong it could be

Bring me a higher love
Bring me a higher love
Bring me a higher love
Where's that higher love I keep thinking of?

dreamerana's photo
Thu 08/07/14 04:08 PM


for me it is logical that there isn't a god. i believe that, it is the basement of my being.

it is far more easy for me to insult your intelligence than to accept, that maybe you feel the same way. that god is logic and the basement of your being.

for us who never found evidence of god, only see the bad things religions does. therefore we start to hate it, and everybody believing in it. because we can't understand.


hm seems like i got a little bit out of this.

what would you consider evidence?
do you believe in miracles?
let me ask you this question, as you believe in logic, what would be the logical outcome of this:
a thirteen year old girl, slight of build was on a group outing at the water.
while she was learning how to water ski, a jet skier lost control and collided with her, shattering her head right at the temple. breaking her shuolder and other things. ewhat is the logical expected outcome of a jetski full speed to rthe temple?

as you didn't comment I will tell you. the reason I believe in God is that only God can help this girl. the doctors expected her to die and were going to harvest her organs.

many of us were present when they had her on lufe support and she was completely unresponsive to outside stimulus. she didn't react to touch, voice or anything else. we were also told she had sustained such traumatic brain injury that she wasn't expected to ve more than in a vegetative state if she did live.

we were there, praying and saying our good byes expecting her death upon removing the life support.

the doctors couldn't explain why she lived. why within about two weeks she was up and walking again.
still they told us she wouldn't have high mental functioning due to the nature of the injury.
this happened at the end of 7th grade. she re joined her regular class in the third month of 8th grade. she finished in the top five students in 8th grade and then went on to do four years if high school and be valedictorian. she has since gone on to begin college. she can tell you how she was healed by God. we can only say our prayers were answered and all of the top medical personnel who dealt with her is still dumbfounded because her recovery defies all logic.

TBRich's photo
Thu 08/07/14 04:23 PM
When Bill Wilson (or was it the other guy?) went to C. J. Jung for help. Jung stated that there is no way that anything he could do would or could help. The only way to save his life was to have a spiritual awakening and that he should go to the Oxford Group. He lived and helped many others to live, even though studies show that it has become a bit of pseudoscience.

TBRich's photo
Thu 08/07/14 05:20 PM


the bible and how long it has survived and thrived is evidence for me



If you like to ask questions, don you also like the answers? I suggest you study Church history:
Marcione of Sinope developed the first Xian bible, he was considered a heretic and the Church developed its biblical canon in response. Interesting that much of his theology is considered what the Church teaches when it isn't. Then study the development of the Bible; edits, additions, and forgeries. Then study the political growth of Xianity, you know- how if you didn't convert, you would be killed (sound familiar? people would not still be doing that today would they?)

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Fri 08/08/14 04:56 AM



the bible and how long it has survived and thrived is evidence for me



If you like to ask questions, don you also like the answers? I suggest you study Church history:
Marcione of Sinope developed the first Xian bible, he was considered a heretic and the Church developed its biblical canon in response. Interesting that much of his theology is considered what the Church teaches when it isn't. Then study the development of the Bible; edits, additions, and forgeries. Then study the political growth of Xianity, you know- how if you didn't convert, you would be killed (sound familiar? people would not still be doing that today would they?)



I don't understand what 'church' history has to do with why I believe in God.

It has withstood a number of years, it is a collection of books, editing for language and choosing for substance is something I would have expected to happen over that period of time.


And yet, in that time, no one has DISPROVED it,,,,like they did with the belief, for instance, that the earth is flat.

of course it cant be disproved now as easily as it could have been disproved DURING The period in which the authors lived or say,, a few hundred years after,,,,,and Im sure many tried during that time too.

TBRich's photo
Fri 08/08/14 06:35 AM




the bible and how long it has survived and thrived is evidence for me



If you like to ask questions, don you also like the answers? I suggest you study Church history:
Marcione of Sinope developed the first Xian bible, he was considered a heretic and the Church developed its biblical canon in response. Interesting that much of his theology is considered what the Church teaches when it isn't. Then study the development of the Bible; edits, additions, and forgeries. Then study the political growth of Xianity, you know- how if you didn't convert, you would be killed (sound familiar? people would not still be doing that today would they?)



I don't understand what 'church' history has to do with why I believe in God.

It has withstood a number of years, it is a collection of books, editing for language and choosing for substance is something I would have expected to happen over that period of time.



I wasn't questioning your belief in your g-d, just like you have never questioned my belief. I was only referencing the know changes in the Bible in terms of content, where sections have been removed or added to the original and characters have either slowly been worked into either minor or more important to which ever message was being presented. Only as you had stated how long the book survived. Most things need to change in order to survive

Reemasah's photo
Sun 08/17/14 12:06 AM
I have one answer to ur Question since am a believer, because universe
wouldn't be existed if a higher power wasn't there to run it as the universe . People have this small piece in their body's that cant work and function right if it didn't have a believe . It may seems ridicules but really do u think the whole universe was just emerged from nothing .

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Mon 08/18/14 06:12 PM

I can tell you why i refuse to believe in a higher being.

First of all, he wouldnhave known that eve would eat the apple, why put it there in the first place?
Second how could he/she create us with hatred and the ability to hurt one another?
Maybe he/she is giving us a chance, free will.maybe!!
Even a child could tell you that war is wrong, and that the experiment of god failed. Why doesn't he interfere? Why would he want us to believe in a thing we never can see, nor hear, nor touch, nor feel? I know i know...some of you will tell me that you can feel the love of god. We self proclaimed scientists however would say the brain tricks you in thinking it.

Why would an all mighty being, create a world so wrong, so cuel for us to live in?

Easy answer: he/she/it would not.

The tree was a test (apple)..God want them to do something for him not because they understand why, not because they can see wether it would benifit them or disadvantage them..He want them to obey him simply because they love him and trust him more than anything elese..

m3k4y's photo
Mon 08/18/14 06:22 PM
It has become traditional in secular circles to argue that the burden of proof of God exestence lies entirely with the believer n God. but this s unreasonable. There are two alternatives before us. One s that there s God the other s that there s not. If they both have plausible arguments, then there s no burden of proof on one alternative than there s on the other.

TBRich's photo
Mon 08/18/14 06:33 PM
There is, of course, the third alternative- there is a g-d but one that does not conform to your definition

wildflower73's photo
Mon 08/18/14 06:38 PM
People have different opinions and experiences obviously.

Its not about them understanding your beliefs or you understanding theirs its about the individual. Accepting we all feel different.

I am not religious. I dont believe either way. I like to remain open to all suggestions always and not pretend i know the answer.
I wont be told i have to do one thing on a sunday or wear a certain item because a religion ever told me to.

I believe in love.

I believe there is something we cant possibly understand.

I have had experiences that have changed my views about the afterlife.

I can not say now there is not something.

Mortica7's photo
Sat 08/23/14 09:47 AM
I've been asked this question several times and my answer has been,

What have I missed out on by believing?

I spend time with others that have the same beliefs
I donate money to causes I believe in
I have a community I can draw on for support
I have a source that I can turn to when I'm hurt, depressed or feeling defeated that shows me how I can make a way
I can communicate with someone who loves me more than I love myself
I have someone that challenges me to be better today than I was yesterday
I have someone that reinforces that I am charged with treating others as He would
And the list goes on

So, so what if I'm wrong, so what if this world is it, and when I'm gone I'm gone. I've still lived a life that was good and I'm proud of. What did I miss out on by being a believer?

But what if I'm right. Wow!

mrheartfelt's photo
Sat 08/23/14 03:43 PM
Topics like this light fires among the people of the world. I am not religious, but I do believe in a "higher power" because He has graciously allowed me to live through experiences that I was able to.

I am blessed to be able to wake up each morning and have my health, strength, and the ability to reason. I am blessed to be born and to live in the greatest country in the world. And, lastly, to able to have freedom of speech to able to debate this type of thing.

We will always have the space and time to debate these things over and over till the cows come home. I think this causes unnecessary stress, so I just leave them where they lay. I tend to not get involved in debates that much because I have enough experience to know that I just want to be at peace, live in a quality sense and just be able to survive on a quality level.

And that is where it is at with me. Pretty cut and dry, and straight forward.

SPINEY's photo
Mon 08/25/14 06:59 AM
Fear of the unknown. control the masses with fear of a Giant wizard and fairies in the sky. Propaganda,
ignorance.


msharmony's photo
Mon 08/25/14 07:20 AM
to answer a question with a question

Why do you believe in God?

Why SHOULDNT I believe in God?


I believe the science books, though I haven't personally witnessed the science

I believe the bible even though I didn't personally witness any of it.

IF people are living in peace and love, what does it matter what their 'source' or 'beliefs' are? to anyone but them and their creator,,,,

Conrad_73's photo
Mon 08/25/14 07:22 AM

When Bill Wilson (or was it the other guy?) went to C. J. Jung for help. Jung stated that there is no way that anything he could do would or could help. The only way to save his life was to have a spiritual awakening and that he should go to the Oxford Group. He lived and helped many others to live, even though studies show that it has become a bit of pseudoscience.

me thinks you better get your Facts straight!rofl rofl rofl

Conrad_73's photo
Mon 08/25/14 07:31 AM

When Bill Wilson (or was it the other guy?) went to C. J. Jung for help. Jung stated that there is no way that anything he could do would or could help. The only way to save his life was to have a spiritual awakening and that he should go to the Oxford Group. He lived and helped many others to live, even though studies show that it has become a bit of pseudoscience.

actually Jung said,"A Profound Spiritual Experience",and it was The Other Guy,Rowland Hazard!
Then from him to Ebby Thatcher,then to Wilson!
and no,Jung didn't send Hazard specifically to the Oxfords!bigsmile

http://silkworth.net/dickb/thacher.html

TBRich's photo
Mon 08/25/14 09:11 AM


When Bill Wilson (or was it the other guy?) went to C. J. Jung for help. Jung stated that there is no way that anything he could do would or could help. The only way to save his life was to have a spiritual awakening and that he should go to the Oxford Group. He lived and helped many others to live, even though studies show that it has become a bit of pseudoscience.

actually Jung said,"A Profound Spiritual Experience",and it was The Other Guy,Rowland Hazard!
Then from him to Ebby Thatcher,then to Wilson!
and no,Jung didn't send Hazard specifically to the Oxfords!bigsmile

http://silkworth.net/dickb/thacher.html


Goodness you are ****, if I shoved a lump of coal up you azz would you **** out a diamond? The general message in the context of the question is therefore accurate, while the details are hazy, as I am not an alcoholic with limited experience outside of dating them.
CJ Jung used : Spiritus contra Spiritum
Marcus Aurelius used: Espiritum vinci espiritus

Conrad_73's photo
Mon 08/25/14 10:10 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Mon 08/25/14 10:16 AM



When Bill Wilson (or was it the other guy?) went to C. J. Jung for help. Jung stated that there is no way that anything he could do would or could help. The only way to save his life was to have a spiritual awakening and that he should go to the Oxford Group. He lived and helped many others to live, even though studies show that it has become a bit of pseudoscience.

actually Jung said,"A Profound Spiritual Experience",and it was The Other Guy,Rowland Hazard!
Then from him to Ebby Thatcher,then to Wilson!
and no,Jung didn't send Hazard specifically to the Oxfords!bigsmile

http://silkworth.net/dickb/thacher.html


Goodness you are ****, if I shoved a lump of coal up you azz would you **** out a diamond? The general message in the context of the question is therefore accurate, while the details are hazy, as I am not an alcoholic with limited experience outside of dating them.
CJ Jung used : Spiritus contra Spiritum
Marcus Aurelius used: Espiritum vinci espiritus

actually,those Details ain't hazy at all!
Maybe to you they are!:laughing:
I know,it doesn't fit your conventional Mental Health Wisdom,but that's not my problem!laugh

BTW,it is Carl Gustaf Jung!bigsmile

Conrad_73's photo
Mon 08/25/14 10:24 AM



When Bill Wilson (or was it the other guy?) went to C. J. Jung for help. Jung stated that there is no way that anything he could do would or could help. The only way to save his life was to have a spiritual awakening and that he should go to the Oxford Group. He lived and helped many others to live, even though studies show that it has become a bit of pseudoscience.

actually Jung said,"A Profound Spiritual Experience",and it was The Other Guy,Rowland Hazard!
Then from him to Ebby Thatcher,then to Wilson!
and no,Jung didn't send Hazard specifically to the Oxfords!bigsmile

http://silkworth.net/dickb/thacher.html


Goodness you are ****, if I shoved a lump of coal up you azz would you **** out a diamond? The general message in the context of the question is therefore accurate, while the details are hazy, as I am not an alcoholic with limited experience outside of dating them.
CJ Jung used : Spiritus contra Spiritum
Marcus Aurelius used: Espiritum vinci espiritus
so,why would you venture to even bring up the Topic?

and what has Mark got to do with the whole thing?