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Topic: Whats NOT in the constitution,
msharmony's photo
Tue 07/01/14 11:01 AM
more detail here: http://atheism.about.com/od/churchstateconstitution/p/Constitution.htm

Innocent until Proven Guilty:
The Right to a Fair Trial
Right to a Jury of Your Peers:
The Right to Vote
The Right to Travel
Judicial Review
The Right to Marriage
The Right to Procreate
The Right to Privacy
Reading and Interpreting the Constitution


no photo
Tue 07/01/14 11:07 AM

more detail here: http://atheism.about.com/od/churchstateconstitution/p/Constitution.htm

Innocent until Proven Guilty:
The Right to a Fair Trial
Right to a Jury of Your Peers:
The Right to Vote
The Right to Travel
Judicial Review
The Right to Marriage
The Right to Procreate
The Right to Privacy
Reading and Interpreting the Constitution



These are basic human rights. Every human right doesn't need to be spelled out in the Constitution to be accepted.

msharmony's photo
Tue 07/01/14 11:20 AM
who says they are 'human' rights?

for me, a 'human' right requires no one else to participate (except procreation)

and was present with the FIRST human

so things like voting and trials and marriage(government marriage) etc,, are not 'human' rights because they are born from unnatural and man made processes

no photo
Tue 07/01/14 11:25 AM

who says they are 'human' rights?

for me, a 'human' right requires no one else to participate (except procreation)

and was present with the FIRST human

so things like voting and trials and marriage(government marriage) etc,, are not 'human' rights because they are born from unnatural and man made processes


Ok, some unnatural and man made processes are considered rights as long as they don't infringe on others rights. To try to write every possibility into the Constitution would be endless.

msharmony's photo
Tue 07/01/14 11:31 AM
I agree, thare are 'human' rights and 'constitutional' rights

those 'human' are those that exist with EVERY human from the very first one

constitutional are those that mostly pertain to human interaction with the man created Government,,,,


I think its overuse of the term 'right' which makes it seem like it would be endless to include them all in the constitution,,,



Conrad_73's photo
Tue 07/01/14 11:48 AM

more detail here: http://atheism.about.com/od/churchstateconstitution/p/Constitution.htm

Innocent until Proven Guilty:
The Right to a Fair Trial
Right to a Jury of Your Peers:
The Right to Vote
The Right to Travel
Judicial Review
The Right to Marriage
The Right to Procreate
The Right to Privacy
Reading and Interpreting the Constitution



If you check the Constitution,they are all in there!laugh

msharmony's photo
Tue 07/01/14 11:51 AM


more detail here: http://atheism.about.com/od/churchstateconstitution/p/Constitution.htm

Innocent until Proven Guilty:
The Right to a Fair Trial
Right to a Jury of Your Peers:
The Right to Vote
The Right to Travel
Judicial Review
The Right to Marriage
The Right to Procreate
The Right to Privacy
Reading and Interpreting the Constitution



If you check the Constitution,they are all in there!laugh


did you bother reading the article,,

they aren't in the constitution, they are widely believed to be there but actually aren't,,,,

Conrad_73's photo
Tue 07/01/14 11:58 AM



more detail here: http://atheism.about.com/od/churchstateconstitution/p/Constitution.htm

Innocent until Proven Guilty:
The Right to a Fair Trial
Right to a Jury of Your Peers:
The Right to Vote
The Right to Travel
Judicial Review
The Right to Marriage
The Right to Procreate
The Right to Privacy
Reading and Interpreting the Constitution



If you check the Constitution,they are all in there!laugh


did you bother reading the article,,

they aren't in the constitution, they are widely believed to be there but actually aren't,,,,

Read the Bill Of Rights!

Not my fault the Penner of the Article can't think in Abstractions!

msharmony's photo
Tue 07/01/14 12:08 PM
No, but it is your fault for debating the point you haven't bothered to research

the constitution:

http://constitutionus.com/


feel free to have a go at finding any of these in the document

Innocent until Proven Guilty:
The Right to a Fair Trial
Right to a Jury of Your Peers:
The Right to Vote
The Right to Travel
Judicial Review
The Right to Marriage
The Right to Procreate
The Right to Privacy


Conrad_73's photo
Tue 07/01/14 12:34 PM

No, but it is your fault for debating the point you haven't bothered to research

the constitution:

http://constitutionus.com/


feel free to have a go at finding any of these in the document

Innocent until Proven Guilty:
The Right to a Fair Trial
Right to a Jury of Your Peers:
The Right to Vote
The Right to Travel
Judicial Review
The Right to Marriage
The Right to Procreate
The Right to Privacy




If you had ever read the Bill of Rights,instead getting it 2ndHand from some Scrivener,you'd seen that all those things you claim are not in the Constitution,are actually all implied,and some specifically named in the Bill Of Rights!
So,who didn't do the research now?laugh


Amendment 1
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment 2
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Amendment 3
No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Amendment 4
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment 5
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment 6
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

Amendment 7
In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Amendment 8
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Amendment 9
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment 10
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

msharmony's photo
Tue 07/01/14 12:38 PM
I don't know what you are on dude

the things I listed are NOWHERE in your post or the bill of rights,,whoa

no photo
Tue 07/01/14 12:40 PM

"We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

msharmony's photo
Tue 07/01/14 12:41 PM


No, but it is your fault for debating the point you haven't bothered to research

the constitution:

http://constitutionus.com/


feel free to have a go at finding any of these in the document

Innocent until Proven Guilty:
The Right to a Fair Trial
Right to a Jury of Your Peers:
The Right to Vote
The Right to Travel
Judicial Review
The Right to Marriage
The Right to Procreate
The Right to Privacy




If you had ever read the Bill of Rights,instead getting it 2ndHand from some Scrivener,you'd seen that all those things you claim are not in the Constitution,are actually all implied,and some specifically named in the Bill Of Rights!
So,who didn't do the research now?laugh


Amendment 1
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment 2
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Amendment 3
No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Amendment 4
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment 5
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment 6
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

Amendment 7
In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Amendment 8
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Amendment 9
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment 10
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.




quick test of understanding

copy and paste the bill of rights into word

hit Ctrl F and put in ANY of the list of things posted in the OP

then tell me where you find them,, but you wont,,,,

msharmony's photo
Tue 07/01/14 12:41 PM


"We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.


declaration of independence, I address that in a different post,,,:tongue:

no photo
Tue 07/01/14 12:46 PM
So, what is your point MsH?

msharmony's photo
Tue 07/01/14 12:50 PM
Edited by msharmony on Tue 07/01/14 12:56 PM
to share some interesting urban legend about what is in the constitution,, or NOT,,,lol


let me add, the article itself sums up the futility of literalists who insist on taking the constitution strictly LITERAL Because of these things that are not LITERALLY Included in it,,,


the Author summarized this way: (Im leaving out irrelevant comments about religious people)

Debates about whether some particular right is ��in�� the Constitution or not are really debates about how to read and interpret the Constitution. Those who claim that the Constitution doesn’t say “right to privacy” or “separation of church and state” are relying upon the assumption that unless a particular phrase or specific words actually appears in the document, then the right doesn’t exist�� either because the interpreters are drawing invalid implications or because it’s illegitimate to go beyond the exact text at all.

Interpretation of laws should generally be limited to the plain text, but the Constitution isn’t a law or a set of laws. Instead, it’s a framework for the structure and the authority of the government. The main body of the Constitution explains how the government is set up; the rest explains the limitations on what the government is permitted to do. It can’t be read without being interpreted.

The people who sincerely believe that constitutional rights are limited solely to those spelled out in the text of the Constitution must be able to defend not just the absence of a right to privacy, but also the absence of constitutional rights to travel, a fair trial, marriage, procreation, voting, and more — not every right which people take for granted has been discussed here. I don'��t think it can be done.



I Am not personally a strict constitutionalist because I do believe that it has to be INTERPRETED on some level and not taken solely literally,, but there are many who say it isn't open to ANY interpretation besides what's literally there

this information was pointing out the flaw in their logic,,,

no photo
Tue 07/01/14 12:54 PM

to share some interesting urban legend about what is in the constitution,, or NOT,,,lol

Let us know if you ever find a Constitution that is perfect.slaphead

msharmony's photo
Tue 07/01/14 01:00 PM
I Never expect PERFECT, from anything or anybody

perhaps that's why I escape being part of the discouraged and end of the world crowd,,,



Conrad_73's photo
Tue 07/01/14 01:39 PM


more detail here: http://atheism.about.com/od/churchstateconstitution/p/Constitution.htm

Innocent until Proven Guilty:
The Right to a Fair Trial
Right to a Jury of Your Peers:
The Right to Vote
The Right to Travel
Judicial Review
The Right to Marriage
The Right to Procreate
The Right to Privacy
Reading and Interpreting the Constitution



These are basic human rights. Every human right doesn't need to be spelled out in the Constitution to be accepted.

They are all implied in the Bill Of Rights!laugh

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Tue 07/01/14 02:34 PM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Tue 07/01/14 02:38 PM



more detail here: http://atheism.about.com/od/churchstateconstitution/p/Constitution.htm

Innocent until Proven Guilty:
The Right to a Fair Trial
Right to a Jury of Your Peers:
The Right to Vote
The Right to Travel
Judicial Review
The Right to Marriage
The Right to Procreate
The Right to Privacy
Reading and Interpreting the Constitution



These are basic human rights. Every human right doesn't need to be spelled out in the Constitution to be accepted.

They are all implied in the Bill Of Rights!laugh


Many are laws, based on Constitutional rights accorded by the Bill of Rights, passed by congress and signed into law by the POTUS.

The right to travel along with "innocent until proven guilt".....defined under liberty (life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness), marriage and procreation (1st amendment regarding freedom of religion) are mentioned in the Bill of Rights as "unalienable and endowed by the creator". Privacy is guaranteed under the 4th amendment.

So it is MsH who is mistaken.... for the most part.

Shows a lack of willingness to understand or accept human rights in the simple English of the Constitution to me.

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