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Thu 07/03/14 07:14 AM



So having been psychology broken and scarred by the harsh taskmasters and will of the Pharaohs the Isrealites lacked all faith in His love and tender mercy and instead equally feared Him too.

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The Jews Were Never Slaves in Egypt



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Christians still cling to the opinion that their Bible is infallible. They delight in telling us that the Bible is the inspired word of God, even though it’s well documented that the Bible contains more than 400 contradictions, not to mention that it reflects the Bronze-age morality of the time.

Well, here comes science to kick religion in the nuts once again: the Jews were never slaves in Egypt!


This never happened…
It turns out that there is no archaeological evidence of any kind relating to a separate settlement of religious people in Egypt during that time. There is also no evidence of any kind relating to a mass migration across the Sinai Peninsula.

If things did indeed happen as it says in the Bible (and the Torah), there would have to be some archaeological evidence. But there is none.

Further, there is no evidence of any kind that Egypt even used slaves, and certainly no evidence that they enslaved an entire nation. The workers that built the pyramids are known to be well payed Egyptians. The pyramids weren’t even built in the right time period, being 800 to 2,000 years older than the supposed “Exodus”.

The same techniques used to track the migration patterns of ancient humans by examining DNA also show that there was absolutely no procreation between ancient Egyptians and ancient Israelites during the time that the story was supposed to have taken place. Not to put too fine a point on it, but if an entire nation was enslaved for hundreds of years, surely there would have been some inter-breeding.

In short, this story never happened.

And this isn’t even “news” – of course, the scientific community is across the subject, but even conservative Jewish sources admit that there is no evidence (but they still have faith! And some stuff about metaphors and such…)

To drive the point home, I’m even providing sources for you (although, a quick Google search could give you dozens more…)

Basically, everyone in the know admits that what is written in the Bible and Torah simply didn’t happen, not at all, not even the non-supernatural, core plot…

So next time you hear someone tell you the Bible is infallible (or anything about Passover whatsoever) send them one of these links:

Were Jews ever really slaves in Egypt, or is Passover a myth? – Haaretz 2012
Who Built The Pyramids? – Harvard Magazine2003
Grounds for disbelief – Haaretz 2003
Doubting the Story of Exodus – Los Angeles Times – 2001
Tags: Bible, DNA, Egypt, Exodus, Israelites, Jews, Passover, Sinai Peninsula, Tora
- See more at: http://www.religiouscriticism.com/bible/the-jews-were-never-slaves-in-egypt/#sthash.59JBZD8s.dpuf

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Thu 07/03/14 09:28 AM
Edited by CowboyGH on Thu 07/03/14 09:29 AM




So having been psychology broken and scarred by the harsh taskmasters and will of the Pharaohs the Isrealites lacked all faith in His love and tender mercy and instead equally feared Him too.

:angel:




The Jews Were Never Slaves in Egypt



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Christians still cling to the opinion that their Bible is infallible. They delight in telling us that the Bible is the inspired word of God, even though it’s well documented that the Bible contains more than 400 contradictions, not to mention that it reflects the Bronze-age morality of the time.

Well, here comes science to kick religion in the nuts once again: the Jews were never slaves in Egypt!


This never happened…
It turns out that there is no archaeological evidence of any kind relating to a separate settlement of religious people in Egypt during that time. There is also no evidence of any kind relating to a mass migration across the Sinai Peninsula.

If things did indeed happen as it says in the Bible (and the Torah), there would have to be some archaeological evidence. But there is none.

Further, there is no evidence of any kind that Egypt even used slaves, and certainly no evidence that they enslaved an entire nation. The workers that built the pyramids are known to be well payed Egyptians. The pyramids weren’t even built in the right time period, being 800 to 2,000 years older than the supposed “Exodus”.

The same techniques used to track the migration patterns of ancient humans by examining DNA also show that there was absolutely no procreation between ancient Egyptians and ancient Israelites during the time that the story was supposed to have taken place. Not to put too fine a point on it, but if an entire nation was enslaved for hundreds of years, surely there would have been some inter-breeding.

In short, this story never happened.

And this isn’t even “news” – of course, the scientific community is across the subject, but even conservative Jewish sources admit that there is no evidence (but they still have faith! And some stuff about metaphors and such…)

To drive the point home, I’m even providing sources for you (although, a quick Google search could give you dozens more…)

Basically, everyone in the know admits that what is written in the Bible and Torah simply didn’t happen, not at all, not even the non-supernatural, core plot…

So next time you hear someone tell you the Bible is infallible (or anything about Passover whatsoever) send them one of these links:

Were Jews ever really slaves in Egypt, or is Passover a myth? – Haaretz 2012
Who Built The Pyramids? – Harvard Magazine2003
Grounds for disbelief – Haaretz 2003
Doubting the Story of Exodus – Los Angeles Times – 2001
Tags: Bible, DNA, Egypt, Exodus, Israelites, Jews, Passover, Sinai Peninsula, Tora
- See more at: http://www.religiouscriticism.com/bible/the-jews-were-never-slaves-in-egypt/#sthash.59JBZD8s.dpuf


There is plenty of archeological evidence that indicate that the Jews were enslaved in Ancient Egypt. Many books have been written on this topic, one of them is “Israel in Egypt – Evidence for the Authenticity of the Exodus Tradition” written by James Hoffmeier.
Additionally a papyrus was found in Egypt in the nineteenth century which describes in detail many of the plagues and the Exodus itself. This papyrus, which currently resides in a Dutch museum, is known as the Ipuwer Papyrus, which was written by an Egyptian who was an eye-witness to these events.
source - did not record, I apologzie and am sure I can possibly find it if needed.

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Scholars of the Hebrew Bible have in the last decade begun to question the historical accuracy of the Israelite sojourn in Egypt, as described in the book of Exodus. The reason for the rejection of the exodus tradition is said to be the lack of historical and archaeological evidence in Egypt. Those advancing these claims, however, are not specialists in the study of Egyptian history, culture, and archaeology. In this pioneering book, James Hoffmeier examines the most current Egyptological evidence and argues that it supports the biblical record concerning Israel in Egypt

source - http://www.amazon.com/Israel-Egypt-Evidence-Authenticity-Tradition/dp/019513088X

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Thu 07/03/14 09:42 AM
ome have interpreted the document as an Egyptian account of the Plagues of Egypt and the Exodus in the Old Testament of the Bible, and it is often cited as proof for the biblical account by various religious organisations.[27]

The association of the Ipuwer Papyrus with the Exodus as describing the same event is generally rejected by Egyptologists.[28] Roland Enmarch, author of a new translation of the papyrus, notes: "The broadest modern reception of Ipuwer amongst non-Egyptological readers has probably been as a result of the use of the poem as evidence supporting the Biblical account of the Exodus."[29] While Enmarch himself rejects synchronizing the texts of the Ipuwer Papyrus and The Book of Exodus on grounds of historicity, in The reception of a Middle Egyptian poem: The Dialogue of Ipuwer.. he acknowledges that there are some textual parallels "particularly the striking statement that 'the river is blood and one drinks from it' (Ipuwer 2.10), and the frequent references to servants abandoning their subordinate status (e.g. Ipuwer 3.14–4.1; 6.7–8; 10.2–3). On a literal reading, these are similar to aspects of the Exodus account."[30] Commenting on such attempts to draw parallels, he writes that "all these approaches read Ipuwer hyper-literally and selectively" and points out that there are also conflicts between Ipuwer and the Biblical account, such as Ipuwer's lamentation of an Asiatic (Semitic) invasion rather than a mass departure.[29] He suggests that "it is more likely that Ipuwer is not a piece of historical reportage and that historicising interpretations of it fail to account for the ahistorical, schematic literary nature of some of the poem's laments," but other Egyptologists disagree (see Genre section above). Examining what Enmarch calls "the most extensively posited parallel", the river becoming blood, he notes that it should not be taken "absolutely literally" as a description of an event but that both Ipuwer and Exodus might be metaphorically describing what happens at times of catastrophic Nile floods when the river is carrying large quantities of red earth, mentioning that Kitchen has also discussed this phenomenon.



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Thu 07/03/14 12:35 PM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 07/03/14 12:36 PM




So having been psychology broken and scarred by the harsh taskmasters and will of the Pharaohs the Isrealites lacked all faith in His love and tender mercy and instead equally feared Him too.

:angel:




The Jews Were Never Slaves in Egypt



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Christians still cling to the opinion that their Bible is infallible. They delight in telling us that the Bible is the inspired word of God, even though it’s well documented that the Bible contains more than 400 contradictions, not to mention that it reflects the Bronze-age morality of the time.

Well, here comes science to kick religion in the nuts once again: the Jews were never slaves in Egypt!


This never happened…
It turns out that there is no archaeological evidence of any kind relating to a separate settlement of religious people in Egypt during that time. There is also no evidence of any kind relating to a mass migration across the Sinai Peninsula.

If things did indeed happen as it says in the Bible (and the Torah), there would have to be some archaeological evidence. But there is none.

Further, there is no evidence of any kind that Egypt even used slaves, and certainly no evidence that they enslaved an entire nation. The workers that built the pyramids are known to be well payed Egyptians. The pyramids weren’t even built in the right time period, being 800 to 2,000 years older than the supposed “Exodus”.

The same techniques used to track the migration patterns of ancient humans by examining DNA also show that there was absolutely no procreation between ancient Egyptians and ancient Israelites during the time that the story was supposed to have taken place. Not to put too fine a point on it, but if an entire nation was enslaved for hundreds of years, surely there would have been some inter-breeding.

In short, this story never happened.

And this isn’t even “news” – of course, the scientific community is across the subject, but even conservative Jewish sources admit that there is no evidence (but they still have faith! And some stuff about metaphors and such…)

To drive the point home, I’m even providing sources for you (although, a quick Google search could give you dozens more…)

Basically, everyone in the know admits that what is written in the Bible and Torah simply didn’t happen, not at all, not even the non-supernatural, core plot…

So next time you hear someone tell you the Bible is infallible (or anything about Passover whatsoever) send them one of these links:

Were Jews ever really slaves in Egypt, or is Passover a myth? – Haaretz 2012
Who Built The Pyramids? – Harvard Magazine2003
Grounds for disbelief – Haaretz 2003
Doubting the Story of Exodus – Los Angeles Times – 2001
Tags: Bible, DNA, Egypt, Exodus, Israelites, Jews, Passover, Sinai Peninsula, Tora
- See more at: http://www.religiouscriticism.com/bible/the-jews-were-never-slaves-in-egypt/#sthash.59JBZD8s.dpuf


do you believe in the premise that if one cant PROVE something happened hundreds or thousands of years ago it is proof that it never happened? really?

of all the things that have been discovered in the last century, before they were 'discovered' did it therefore mean they didn't exist or didn't happen?


not agreeing that it has or hasn't been proven, just curious about the basis for your conclusion,,,


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Thu 07/03/14 01:03 PM





So having been psychology broken and scarred by the harsh taskmasters and will of the Pharaohs the Isrealites lacked all faith in His love and tender mercy and instead equally feared Him too.

:angel:




The Jews Were Never Slaves in Egypt



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Christians still cling to the opinion that their Bible is infallible. They delight in telling us that the Bible is the inspired word of God, even though it’s well documented that the Bible contains more than 400 contradictions, not to mention that it reflects the Bronze-age morality of the time.

Well, here comes science to kick religion in the nuts once again: the Jews were never slaves in Egypt!


This never happened…
It turns out that there is no archaeological evidence of any kind relating to a separate settlement of religious people in Egypt during that time. There is also no evidence of any kind relating to a mass migration across the Sinai Peninsula.

If things did indeed happen as it says in the Bible (and the Torah), there would have to be some archaeological evidence. But there is none.

Further, there is no evidence of any kind that Egypt even used slaves, and certainly no evidence that they enslaved an entire nation. The workers that built the pyramids are known to be well payed Egyptians. The pyramids weren’t even built in the right time period, being 800 to 2,000 years older than the supposed “Exodus”.

The same techniques used to track the migration patterns of ancient humans by examining DNA also show that there was absolutely no procreation between ancient Egyptians and ancient Israelites during the time that the story was supposed to have taken place. Not to put too fine a point on it, but if an entire nation was enslaved for hundreds of years, surely there would have been some inter-breeding.

In short, this story never happened.

And this isn’t even “news” – of course, the scientific community is across the subject, but even conservative Jewish sources admit that there is no evidence (but they still have faith! And some stuff about metaphors and such…)

To drive the point home, I’m even providing sources for you (although, a quick Google search could give you dozens more…)

Basically, everyone in the know admits that what is written in the Bible and Torah simply didn’t happen, not at all, not even the non-supernatural, core plot…

So next time you hear someone tell you the Bible is infallible (or anything about Passover whatsoever) send them one of these links:

Were Jews ever really slaves in Egypt, or is Passover a myth? – Haaretz 2012
Who Built The Pyramids? – Harvard Magazine2003
Grounds for disbelief – Haaretz 2003
Doubting the Story of Exodus – Los Angeles Times – 2001
Tags: Bible, DNA, Egypt, Exodus, Israelites, Jews, Passover, Sinai Peninsula, Tora
- See more at: http://www.religiouscriticism.com/bible/the-jews-were-never-slaves-in-egypt/#sthash.59JBZD8s.dpuf


do you believe in the premise that if one cant PROVE something happened hundreds or thousands of years ago it is proof that it never happened? really?

of all the things that have been discovered in the last century, before they were 'discovered' did it therefore mean they didn't exist or didn't happen?


not agreeing that it has or hasn't been proven, just curious about the basis for your conclusion,,,




Science, ever hear of it. The main difference is some people start off with the conclusion and then seek evidence for that conclusion. that is not the way it is supposed to work, you are to draw the conclusion that best explains the evidence then try to verify it. Archeology and Antropology tend to refute that Jews were slaves in Egypt. More likely hired mercenaries much like the Malmalukes (sp?) were.

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Thu 07/03/14 04:28 PM
Edited by CowboyGH on Thu 07/03/14 04:29 PM






So having been psychology broken and scarred by the harsh taskmasters and will of the Pharaohs the Isrealites lacked all faith in His love and tender mercy and instead equally feared Him too.

:angel:




The Jews Were Never Slaves in Egypt



3274

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Christians still cling to the opinion that their Bible is infallible. They delight in telling us that the Bible is the inspired word of God, even though it’s well documented that the Bible contains more than 400 contradictions, not to mention that it reflects the Bronze-age morality of the time.

Well, here comes science to kick religion in the nuts once again: the Jews were never slaves in Egypt!


This never happened…
It turns out that there is no archaeological evidence of any kind relating to a separate settlement of religious people in Egypt during that time. There is also no evidence of any kind relating to a mass migration across the Sinai Peninsula.

If things did indeed happen as it says in the Bible (and the Torah), there would have to be some archaeological evidence. But there is none.

Further, there is no evidence of any kind that Egypt even used slaves, and certainly no evidence that they enslaved an entire nation. The workers that built the pyramids are known to be well payed Egyptians. The pyramids weren’t even built in the right time period, being 800 to 2,000 years older than the supposed “Exodus”.

The same techniques used to track the migration patterns of ancient humans by examining DNA also show that there was absolutely no procreation between ancient Egyptians and ancient Israelites during the time that the story was supposed to have taken place. Not to put too fine a point on it, but if an entire nation was enslaved for hundreds of years, surely there would have been some inter-breeding.

In short, this story never happened.

And this isn’t even “news” – of course, the scientific community is across the subject, but even conservative Jewish sources admit that there is no evidence (but they still have faith! And some stuff about metaphors and such…)

To drive the point home, I’m even providing sources for you (although, a quick Google search could give you dozens more…)

Basically, everyone in the know admits that what is written in the Bible and Torah simply didn’t happen, not at all, not even the non-supernatural, core plot…

So next time you hear someone tell you the Bible is infallible (or anything about Passover whatsoever) send them one of these links:

Were Jews ever really slaves in Egypt, or is Passover a myth? – Haaretz 2012
Who Built The Pyramids? – Harvard Magazine2003
Grounds for disbelief – Haaretz 2003
Doubting the Story of Exodus – Los Angeles Times – 2001
Tags: Bible, DNA, Egypt, Exodus, Israelites, Jews, Passover, Sinai Peninsula, Tora
- See more at: http://www.religiouscriticism.com/bible/the-jews-were-never-slaves-in-egypt/#sthash.59JBZD8s.dpuf


do you believe in the premise that if one cant PROVE something happened hundreds or thousands of years ago it is proof that it never happened? really?

of all the things that have been discovered in the last century, before they were 'discovered' did it therefore mean they didn't exist or didn't happen?


not agreeing that it has or hasn't been proven, just curious about the basis for your conclusion,,,




Science, ever hear of it. The main difference is some people start off with the conclusion and then seek evidence for that conclusion. that is not the way it is supposed to work, you are to draw the conclusion that best explains the evidence then try to verify it. Archeology and Antropology tend to refute that Jews were slaves in Egypt. More likely hired mercenaries much like the Malmalukes (sp?) were.



Further, there is no evidence of any kind that Egypt even used slaves, and certainly no evidence that they enslaved an entire nation.


There is much evidence of slavery in egypt. To tired to give resources, but there are many different sources that support slavery in egypt.

The Haggadah service opens with the wish or vow: "This year we are here [in the Diaspora], next year in the land of Israel. This year we are slaves; Next year will shall be free


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Thu 07/03/14 04:42 PM







So having been psychology broken and scarred by the harsh taskmasters and will of the Pharaohs the Isrealites lacked all faith in His love and tender mercy and instead equally feared Him too.

:angel:




The Jews Were Never Slaves in Egypt



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Christians still cling to the opinion that their Bible is infallible. They delight in telling us that the Bible is the inspired word of God, even though it’s well documented that the Bible contains more than 400 contradictions, not to mention that it reflects the Bronze-age morality of the time.

Well, here comes science to kick religion in the nuts once again: the Jews were never slaves in Egypt!


This never happened…
It turns out that there is no archaeological evidence of any kind relating to a separate settlement of religious people in Egypt during that time. There is also no evidence of any kind relating to a mass migration across the Sinai Peninsula.

If things did indeed happen as it says in the Bible (and the Torah), there would have to be some archaeological evidence. But there is none.

Further, there is no evidence of any kind that Egypt even used slaves, and certainly no evidence that they enslaved an entire nation. The workers that built the pyramids are known to be well payed Egyptians. The pyramids weren’t even built in the right time period, being 800 to 2,000 years older than the supposed “Exodus”.

The same techniques used to track the migration patterns of ancient humans by examining DNA also show that there was absolutely no procreation between ancient Egyptians and ancient Israelites during the time that the story was supposed to have taken place. Not to put too fine a point on it, but if an entire nation was enslaved for hundreds of years, surely there would have been some inter-breeding.

In short, this story never happened.

And this isn’t even “news” – of course, the scientific community is across the subject, but even conservative Jewish sources admit that there is no evidence (but they still have faith! And some stuff about metaphors and such…)

To drive the point home, I’m even providing sources for you (although, a quick Google search could give you dozens more…)

Basically, everyone in the know admits that what is written in the Bible and Torah simply didn’t happen, not at all, not even the non-supernatural, core plot…

So next time you hear someone tell you the Bible is infallible (or anything about Passover whatsoever) send them one of these links:

Were Jews ever really slaves in Egypt, or is Passover a myth? – Haaretz 2012
Who Built The Pyramids? – Harvard Magazine2003
Grounds for disbelief – Haaretz 2003
Doubting the Story of Exodus – Los Angeles Times – 2001
Tags: Bible, DNA, Egypt, Exodus, Israelites, Jews, Passover, Sinai Peninsula, Tora
- See more at: http://www.religiouscriticism.com/bible/the-jews-were-never-slaves-in-egypt/#sthash.59JBZD8s.dpuf


do you believe in the premise that if one cant PROVE something happened hundreds or thousands of years ago it is proof that it never happened? really?

of all the things that have been discovered in the last century, before they were 'discovered' did it therefore mean they didn't exist or didn't happen?


not agreeing that it has or hasn't been proven, just curious about the basis for your conclusion,,,




Science, ever hear of it. The main difference is some people start off with the conclusion and then seek evidence for that conclusion. that is not the way it is supposed to work, you are to draw the conclusion that best explains the evidence then try to verify it. Archeology and Antropology tend to refute that Jews were slaves in Egypt. More likely hired mercenaries much like the Malmalukes (sp?) were.



Further, there is no evidence of any kind that Egypt even used slaves, and certainly no evidence that they enslaved an entire nation.


There is much evidence of slavery in egypt. To tired to give resources, but there are many different sources that support slavery in egypt.

The Haggadah service opens with the wish or vow: "This year we are here [in the Diaspora], next year in the land of Israel. This year we are slaves; Next year will shall be free




Jews are taught that their New Year marks their freedom from slavery, however Occam's Razor clearly demonstrates that most primitive cultures of the time used roughly the same time to celebrate New Years.

This is an example of getting one-step and then another away from the spiritually of the faith. You may look at the Hasidim and believe them to be overly legalistic, but studying their beliefs (aka Martin Buber, etc.) you find a very rich and deep spiritually life that many Orthodox find shocking.

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Fri 07/04/14 01:42 AM
Edited by AthenaRose2 on Fri 07/04/14 01:45 AM




Exodus 20:1-3

Commandment #1

And God spoke all these words, saying:

"I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage."

"You shall have no other gods before me."



Exodus 20:18-21 (NKJV)

Now all the people witnessed the thunderings, the lightning flashes, the sound of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking; and when the people saw it, they trembled and stood afar off.

Then they said to Moses, "You speak with us, and we will hear; but let not God speak with us, lest we die."

And Moses said to the people, "Do not fear; for God has come to test you, and that His fear may be before you, so that you may not sin."

So the people stood afar off, but Moses drew near the thick darkness where God was.


I think it's very telling of the times when the first commandment God gave the Children of Israel after He rescued them from their oppressors was "NOT" to have any other gods to worship in place of Him.

God wanted His children to address Him directly. But feeling the weight of the guilt of sin and rebellion they preferred to have a human intermediary speak for and to them.

By this stage of their journey out of sin and degradation back to the intimate closeness with the Creator, they'd seen what the God of heaven and their forefathers could do to His enemies the Egyptians for turning their hearts and minds away from Him and His innate authority.

So having been psychology broken and scarred by the harsh taskmasters and will of the Pharaohs the Isrealites lacked all faith in His love and tender mercy and instead equally feared Him too.

:angel:


I think in order to understand the full scope of why God found it necessary to create the Ten Commandments in stone and have Moses present and teach them to His people after freeing them from bondage to unbelievers, we have to go back to the beginning.

Genesis 1:26-27

Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."

So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

Genesis 2:7

And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

Genesis 2:18

And the Lord God said, "It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him."

Genesis 2:21-22

And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall on Adam, and he slept; and He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh in its place. Then the rib which the Lord God had taken from man He made into a woman, and He brought her to the man.

:angel:


Genesis 2:23-24

And Adam said:

"This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man."

Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.

Genesis 3:20

And Adam called his wife's name Eve, because she was the mother of all living.

Genesis 4:1-7

Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, "I have acquired a man from the Lord."

Then she bore again, this time his brother Abel. Now Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

And in the process of time it came to pass that Cain brought an offering of the fruit of the ground to the Lord.

Abel also brought of the firstborn of his flock and of their fat. And the Lord respected Abel and his offering, but He did not respect Cain and his offering. And Cain was very angry, and his countenance fell.

So the Lord said to Cain, "Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fallen? If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And its desire is for you, but you should rule over it."

:angel:

According to Genesis God originally created the earth and everything on it for His enjoyment. He also created a man and woman as a married couple, husband and wife, so they could procreate while working together tending the Garden of Eden, His special meeting place where they could socialize with God directly.

Given that God created our original ancestors, Adam and Eve as full grown adults who lacked survival skills and the knowledge of good and evil (rebellion and sin) He instructed them about what they could eat and what they could do for their own good health and safety.

As their Creator/Father, God also instructed them about the importance of resting from their daily labor and taking time to commune with Him every 7th day.

:angel:


Genesis 1:26-31

Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."

So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. Then God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth."

And God said, "See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food. Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food"'; and it was so.

Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good.

Genesis 2:8-9

The Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and there He put the man whom He had formed. And out of the ground the Lord God made every tree grow that is pleasant to the sight and good for food.

The tree of life was also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Genesis 2:15-17

Then the Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it. And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, "Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die."

:angel:

Apparently in the beginning man, animal and bugs alike all were to eat green herbs and fruit for food.

And God gave Adam strict instructions about NOT eating from the ONE and ONLY tree that was forbidden, the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Genesis 2:19-20

Out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them. And whatever Adam called each living creature, that was its name. So Adam gave names to all cattle, to the birds of the air, and to every beast of the field.

:angel:

Apparently God created the animals and man alike directly from the ingredients existing in the earth. This is an awesome idea to contemplate even if I cannot truly fathom it.

Right from the onset of creation God bestowed on Adam the power and responsibility to lead.

Genesis 2:18

And the Lord God said, "It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him."

:angel:

Then God created a woman, Eve, to stand by a man's side, Adam, to help him rule.

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Fri 07/04/14 01:48 AM
Edited by AthenaRose2 on Fri 07/04/14 02:25 AM





Exodus 20:1-3

Commandment #1

And God spoke all these words, saying:

"I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage."

"You shall have no other gods before me."



Exodus 20:18-21 (NKJV)

Now all the people witnessed the thunderings, the lightning flashes, the sound of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking; and when the people saw it, they trembled and stood afar off.

Then they said to Moses, "You speak with us, and we will hear; but let not God speak with us, lest we die."

And Moses said to the people, "Do not fear; for God has come to test you, and that His fear may be before you, so that you may not sin."

So the people stood afar off, but Moses drew near the thick darkness where God was.


I think it's very telling of the times when the first commandment God gave the Children of Israel after He rescued them from their oppressors was "NOT" to have any other gods to worship in place of Him.

God wanted His children to address Him directly. But feeling the weight of the guilt of sin and rebellion they preferred to have a human intermediary speak for and to them.

By this stage of their journey out of sin and degradation back to the intimate closeness with the Creator, they'd seen what the God of heaven and their forefathers could do to His enemies the Egyptians for turning their hearts and minds away from Him and His innate authority.

So having been psychology broken and scarred by the harsh taskmasters and will of the Pharaohs the Isrealites lacked all faith in His love and tender mercy and instead equally feared Him too.

:angel:


I think in order to understand the full scope of why God found it necessary to create the Ten Commandments in stone and have Moses present and teach them to His people after freeing them from bondage to unbelievers, we have to go back to the beginning.

Genesis 1:26-27

Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."

So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

Genesis 2:7

And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

Genesis 2:18

And the Lord God said, "It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him."

Genesis 2:21-22

And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall on Adam, and he slept; and He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh in its place. Then the rib which the Lord God had taken from man He made into a woman, and He brought her to the man.

:angel:


Genesis 2:23-24

And Adam said:

"This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man."

Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.

Genesis 3:20

And Adam called his wife's name Eve, because she was the mother of all living.

Genesis 4:1-7

Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, "I have acquired a man from the Lord."

Then she bore again, this time his brother Abel. Now Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

And in the process of time it came to pass that Cain brought an offering of the fruit of the ground to the Lord.

Abel also brought of the firstborn of his flock and of their fat. And the Lord respected Abel and his offering, but He did not respect Cain and his offering. And Cain was very angry, and his countenance fell.

So the Lord said to Cain, "Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fallen? If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And its desire is for you, but you should rule over it."

:angel:

According to Genesis God originally created the earth and everything on it for His enjoyment. He also created a man and woman as a married couple, husband and wife, so they could procreate while working together tending the Garden of Eden, His special meeting place where they could socialize with God directly.

Given that God created our original ancestors, Adam and Eve as full grown adults who lacked survival skills and the knowledge of good and evil (rebellion and sin) He instructed them about what they could eat and what they could do for their own good health and safety.

As their Creator/Father, God also instructed them about the importance of resting from their daily labor and taking time to commune with Him every 7th day.

:angel:


Genesis 1:26-31

Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."

So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. Then God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth."

And God said, "See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food. Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food"'; and it was so.

Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good.

Genesis 2:8-9

The Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and there He put the man whom He had formed. And out of the ground the Lord God made every tree grow that is pleasant to the sight and good for food.

The tree of life was also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Genesis 2:15-17

Then the Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it. And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, "Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die."

:angel:

Apparently in the beginning man, animal and bugs alike all were to eat green herbs and fruit for food.

And God gave Adam strict instructions about NOT eating from the ONE and ONLY tree that was forbidden, the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Genesis 2:19-20

Out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them. And whatever Adam called each living creature, that was its name. So Adam gave names to all cattle, to the birds of the air, and to every beast of the field.

:angel:

Apparently God created the animals and man alike directly from the ingredients existing in the earth. This is an awesome idea to contemplate even if I cannot truly fathom it.

Right from the onset of creation God bestowed on Adam the power and responsibility to lead.

Genesis 2:18

And the Lord God said, "It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him."

:angel:

Then God created a woman, Eve, to stand by a man's side, Adam, to help him rule.


Genesis 3:8

Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman, "Has God indeed said, 'You shall not eat of every tree of the garden'?"

And the woman said to the serpent, "We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden; but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, 'You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.'"

Then the serpent said to the woman, "You will not surely die. For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate.

Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves coverings.

And they heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden.

:angel:

According to Scripture it was Adam that God was speaking directly too when giving instructions. And now a serpent speaks directly to Eve and she carries on a conversation with it. She even trusts it enough to take its advice to disobey her husband and Father, God.

Once guilty of sin and rebellion, Eve talks Adam into eating the forbidden fruit too. Adam knew better but apparently his love for his wife was so strong that he didn't want to lose her so he rebelled too.

I assume that up to this point nothing had died so Adam and Eve didn't really know what the consequences of death truly meant.

Genesis 3:8-12

And they heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden.

Then the Lord God called to Adam and said to him, "Where are you?"

So he said, "I heard Your voice in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; and I hid myself."

And He said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you that you should not eat?"

Then the man said, "The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I ate."

:angel:

Both could feel the weight and shame of the guilt they equally shared and in their naivete they thought they could hide it from their Creator/Father.

But of course Adam, rather than manning up and confessing his own disobedience he immediately blamed Eve for his personal actions.

slaphead

Genesis 3:13-19

And the Lord God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?"

The woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate."

So the Lord God said to the serpent: "Because you have done this,
You are cursed more than all cattle, and more than every beast of the field; On your belly you shall go, and you shall eat dust all the days of your life.

And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise His heel."

To the woman He said: "I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception; In pain you shall bring forth children; Your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you."

Then to Adam He said, "Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, 'You shall not eat of it': "Cursed is the ground for your sake; In toil you shall eat of it all the days of your life. Both thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you, and you shall eat the herb of the field. In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread till you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; For dust you are, and to dust you shall return."

:angel:

And of course Eve followed her husband's example and blamed the serpent for her personal actions.

But now Eve was no longer Adam's equal. Now because of her weakness and rebellion she was to be ruled by her husband. And Adam would toil and struggle to take care of his family.

noway ... ohwell

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Fri 07/04/14 02:58 AM
Edited by AthenaRose2 on Fri 07/04/14 03:18 AM






Exodus 20:1-3

Commandment #1

And God spoke all these words, saying:

"I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage."

"You shall have no other gods before me."



Exodus 20:18-21 (NKJV)

Now all the people witnessed the thunderings, the lightning flashes, the sound of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking; and when the people saw it, they trembled and stood afar off.

Then they said to Moses, "You speak with us, and we will hear; but let not God speak with us, lest we die."

And Moses said to the people, "Do not fear; for God has come to test you, and that His fear may be before you, so that you may not sin."

So the people stood afar off, but Moses drew near the thick darkness where God was.


I think it's very telling of the times when the first commandment God gave the Children of Israel after He rescued them from their oppressors was "NOT" to have any other gods to worship in place of Him.

God wanted His children to address Him directly. But feeling the weight of the guilt of sin and rebellion they preferred to have a human intermediary speak for and to them.

By this stage of their journey out of sin and degradation back to the intimate closeness with the Creator, they'd seen what the God of heaven and their forefathers could do to His enemies the Egyptians for turning their hearts and minds away from Him and His innate authority.

So having been psychology broken and scarred by the harsh taskmasters and will of the Pharaohs the Isrealites lacked all faith in His love and tender mercy and instead equally feared Him too.

:angel:


I think in order to understand the full scope of why God found it necessary to create the Ten Commandments in stone and have Moses present and teach them to His people after freeing them from bondage to unbelievers, we have to go back to the beginning.

Genesis 1:26-27

Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."

So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

Genesis 2:7

And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

Genesis 2:18

And the Lord God said, "It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him."

Genesis 2:21-22

And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall on Adam, and he slept; and He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh in its place. Then the rib which the Lord God had taken from man He made into a woman, and He brought her to the man.

:angel:


Genesis 2:23-24

And Adam said:

"This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man."

Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.

Genesis 3:20

And Adam called his wife's name Eve, because she was the mother of all living.

Genesis 4:1-7

Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, "I have acquired a man from the Lord."

Then she bore again, this time his brother Abel. Now Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

And in the process of time it came to pass that Cain brought an offering of the fruit of the ground to the Lord.

Abel also brought of the firstborn of his flock and of their fat. And the Lord respected Abel and his offering, but He did not respect Cain and his offering. And Cain was very angry, and his countenance fell.

So the Lord said to Cain, "Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fallen? If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And its desire is for you, but you should rule over it."

:angel:

According to Genesis God originally created the earth and everything on it for His enjoyment. He also created a man and woman as a married couple, husband and wife, so they could procreate while working together tending the Garden of Eden, His special meeting place where they could socialize with God directly.

Given that God created our original ancestors, Adam and Eve as full grown adults who lacked survival skills and the knowledge of good and evil (rebellion and sin) He instructed them about what they could eat and what they could do for their own good health and safety.

As their Creator/Father, God also instructed them about the importance of resting from their daily labor and taking time to commune with Him every 7th day.

:angel:


Genesis 1:26-31

Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."

So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. Then God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth."

And God said, "See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food. Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food"'; and it was so.

Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good.

Genesis 2:8-9

The Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and there He put the man whom He had formed. And out of the ground the Lord God made every tree grow that is pleasant to the sight and good for food.

The tree of life was also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Genesis 2:15-17

Then the Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it. And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, "Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die."

:angel:

Apparently in the beginning man, animal and bugs alike all were to eat green herbs and fruit for food.

And God gave Adam strict instructions about NOT eating from the ONE and ONLY tree that was forbidden, the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Genesis 2:19-20

Out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them. And whatever Adam called each living creature, that was its name. So Adam gave names to all cattle, to the birds of the air, and to every beast of the field.

:angel:

Apparently God created the animals and man alike directly from the ingredients existing in the earth. This is an awesome idea to contemplate even if I cannot truly fathom it.

Right from the onset of creation God bestowed on Adam the power and responsibility to lead.

Genesis 2:18

And the Lord God said, "It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him."

:angel:

Then God created a woman, Eve, to stand by a man's side, Adam, to help him rule.


Genesis 3:8

Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman, "Has God indeed said, 'You shall not eat of every tree of the garden'?"

And the woman said to the serpent, "We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden; but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, 'You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.'"

Then the serpent said to the woman, "You will not surely die. For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate.

Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves coverings.

And they heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden.

:angel:

According to Scripture it was Adam that God was speaking directly too when giving instructions. And now a serpent speaks directly to Eve and she carries on a conversation with it. She even trusts it enough to take its advice to disobey her husband and Father, God.

Once guilty of sin and rebellion, Eve talks Adam into eating the forbidden fruit too. Adam knew better but apparently his love for his wife was so strong that he didn't want to lose her so he rebelled too.

I assume that up to this point nothing had died so Adam and Eve didn't really know what the consequences of death truly meant.

Genesis 3:8-12

And they heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden.

Then the Lord God called to Adam and said to him, "Where are you?"

So he said, "I heard Your voice in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; and I hid myself."

And He said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you that you should not eat?"

Then the man said, "The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I ate."

:angel:

Both could feel the weight and shame of the guilt they equally shared and in their naivete they thought they could hide it from their Creator/Father.

But of course Adam, rather than manning up and confessing his own disobedience he immediately blamed Eve for his personal actions.

slaphead

Genesis 3:13-19

And the Lord God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?"

The woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate."

So the Lord God said to the serpent: "Because you have done this,
You are cursed more than all cattle, and more than every beast of the field; On your belly you shall go, and you shall eat dust all the days of your life.

And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise His heel."

To the woman He said: "I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception; In pain you shall bring forth children; Your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you."

Then to Adam He said, "Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, 'You shall not eat of it': "Cursed is the ground for your sake; In toil you shall eat of it all the days of your life. Both thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you, and you shall eat the herb of the field. In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread till you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; For dust you are, and to dust you shall return."

:angel:

And of course Eve followed her husband's example and blamed the serpent for her personal actions.

But now Eve was no longer Adam's equal. Now because of her weakness and rebellion she was to be ruled by her husband. And Adam would toil and struggle to take care of his family.

noway ... ohwell


Genesis 4:8-17

Now Cain talked to his brother Abel, and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother and killed him.

Then the Lord said to Cain, "Where is Abel your brother?" He said, "I do not know. Am I my brother's keeper?"

And the Lord said, "What have you done? The voice of your brother's blood cries out to Me from the ground. So now you are cursed from the earth, which has opened its mouth to receive your brother's blood from your hand.

When you till the ground, it shall no longer yield to you its strength to you. A fugitive and a vagabond you shall be on the earth."

And Cain said to the Lord, "My punishment is greater than I can bear! Surely You have driven me out this day from the face of the ground; I shall be hidden from Your face; I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond on the earth, and it will happen that anyone who finds me will kill me."

And the Lord said to him, "Therefore, whoever kills Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold." And the Lord set a mark on Cain, lest anyone finding him should kill him.

Then Cain went out from the presence of the Lord and dwelt in the land of Nod on the east of Eden. And Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch. And he built a city, and called the name of the city after the name of his son, Enoch.

:angel:

Cain was jealous of his brother Abel because God favored Abel's offering of the best of his flock that symbolized his obedience to God's instructions and Christ's future self sacrifice.

While God detested Cain's offering that consisted of the best of his garden. Rather than Cain honoring and obeying God he was showing off his skill and bounty not realizing it was God who made his garden fruitful, it wasn't because of Cain's sweat and toil.

The hatred that Cain felt toward his brother that inspired him to murder is the same hatred Jesus would endure hanging on the cross for our sins of disobedience and rebellion. And His death and self sacrifice would ensure our debts would be paid to pave the way for our reunion with God the Father some day.

When Cain killed Abel it was another instance of good vs evil, Satan vs God. And it was the beginning of the path that would divide everyone's footsteps either leading in one direction or the other.

Those who will humble themselves and become like little children obeying God and His instructions...

Or those who are arrogant and proud of their abilities and accomplishments who follow their own ways and ideals instead...

And just like our first parents, Adam and Eve, rather than accepting personal responsibility for the decisions we make and actions we take we tend to like to blame everybody else for why we do things.

But ultimately, according to Scripture we will ALL answer individually for every word and deed.

slaphead


TBRich's photo
Fri 07/04/14 06:18 AM
Athena,

I am sorry if it seems we were hijacking your thread. I tend to be pedantic. Afterall, was man made for the Sabbath, or the Sabbath made for man?

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Fri 07/04/14 07:39 AM
^^^^ There's no need to apologize about anything. The thread is open for everyone to post as they like. I haven't even read anything that's been posted that hasn't been directed at me or hasn't been an invitation for me to personally respond.

I know already from reading other threads that we all have different takes on the bible and religious concepts, so I'm posting what I've been inspired to share, just as I'm sure the rest of you are too...

All's good. :thumbsup:


TBRich's photo
Fri 07/04/14 07:46 AM
Thank you; actually I would appreciate your opinion. My focus in on being spiritual in ones faith vs taking it in a legalistic fashion

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Fri 07/04/14 08:01 AM
Well, I believe in order to have a spiritual connection we first have to have a personal one. And we develop personal relationships by getting to know one another. So the only way to know a God that is unseen is to read about Him from whatever source we have available.

I was taught about God through many years of studying His word via the Bible, while others learn about Him through whatever method their church or religious affiliation teaches.

For the basis of this thread I'm using the NKJV of the Bible to focus more on the Ten Commandments and their meaning to not only our ancestors but to us today too, and also their relevance, if any, in our everyday lives.

Rules of every kind are created to keep order, for safety purposes, and they are used as guidelines between wrong and right. Some people adhere to rules more strictly than others, while others trash them completely and make them up as they go along.

I say to each his/her own on how we choose to administer and/or abide by rules, whether religious or secular in our own personal and professional lives.

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Sun 07/06/14 12:32 AM
Edited by AthenaRose2 on Sun 07/06/14 01:25 AM

Exodus 20:1-3

Commandment #1

And God spoke all these words, saying:

"I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage."

"You shall have no other gods before me."



Exodus 20:18-21 (NKJV)

Now all the people witnessed the thunderings, the lightning flashes, the sound of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking; and when the people saw it, they trembled and stood afar off.

Then they said to Moses, "You speak with us, and we will hear; but let not God speak with us, lest we die."

And Moses said to the people, "Do not fear; for God has come to test you, and that His fear may be before you, so that you may not sin."

So the people stood afar off, but Moses drew near the thick darkness where God was.


I think it's very telling of the times when the first commandment God gave the Children of Israel after He rescued them from their oppressors was "NOT" to have any other gods to worship in place of Him.

God wanted His children to address Him directly. But feeling the weight of the guilt of sin and rebellion they preferred to have a human intermediary speak for and to them.

By this stage of their journey out of sin and degradation back to the intimate closeness with the Creator, they'd seen what the God of heaven and their forefathers could do to His enemies the Egyptians for turning their hearts and minds away from Him and His innate authority.

So having been psychology broken and scarred by the harsh taskmasters and will of the Pharaohs the Isrealites lacked all faith in His love and tender mercy and instead equally feared Him too.

:angel:

I think in order to understand the full scope of why God found it necessary to create the Ten Commandments in stone and have Moses present and teach them to His people after freeing them from bondage to unbelievers, we have to go back to the beginning.


Genesis 1:26-27

Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."

So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

Genesis 2:7

And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

Genesis 2:18

And the Lord God said, "It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him."

Genesis 2:21-22

And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall on Adam, and he slept; and He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh in its place. Then the rib which the Lord God had taken from man He made into a woman, and He brought her to the man.

Genesis 2:23-24

And Adam said:

"This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man."

Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.

Genesis 3:20

And Adam called his wife's name Eve, because she was the mother of all living.

Genesis 4:1-7

Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, "I have acquired a man from the Lord."

Then she bore again, this time his brother Abel. Now Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

And in the process of time it came to pass that Cain brought an offering of the fruit of the ground to the Lord.

Abel also brought of the firstborn of his flock and of their fat. And the Lord respected Abel and his offering, but He did not respect Cain and his offering. And Cain was very angry, and his countenance fell.

So the Lord said to Cain, "Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fallen? If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And its desire is for you, but you should rule over it."


According to Genesis God originally created the earth and everything on it for His enjoyment. He also created a man and woman as a married couple, husband and wife, so they could procreate while working together tending the Garden of Eden, His special meeting place where they could socialize with God directly.

Given that God created our original ancestors, Adam and Eve as full grown adults who lacked survival skills and the knowledge of good and evil (rebellion and sin) He instructed them about what they could eat and what they could do for their own good health and safety.

As their Creator/Father, God also instructed them about the importance of resting from their daily labor and taking time to commune with Him every 7th day.


Genesis 1:26-31

Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."

So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. Then God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth."

And God said, "See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food. Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food"'; and it was so.

Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good.

Genesis 2:8-9

The Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and there He put the man whom He had formed. And out of the ground the Lord God made every tree grow that is pleasant to the sight and good for food.

The tree of life was also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Genesis 2:15-17

Then the Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it. And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, "Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die."


Apparently in the beginning man, animal and bugs alike all were to eat green herbs and fruit for food.

And God gave Adam strict instructions about NOT eating from the ONE and ONLY tree that was forbidden, the tree of knowledge of good and evil.


Genesis 2:19-20

Out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them. And whatever Adam called each living creature, that was its name. So Adam gave names to all cattle, to the birds of the air, and to every beast of the field.


Apparently God created the animals and man alike directly from the ingredients existing in the earth. This is an awesome idea to contemplate even if I cannot truly fathom it.

Right from the onset of creation God bestowed on Adam the power and responsibility to lead.


Genesis 2:18

And the Lord God said, "It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him."


Then God created a woman, Eve, to stand by a man's side, Adam, to help him rule.


Genesis 3:8

Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman, "Has God indeed said, 'You shall not eat of every tree of the garden'?"

And the woman said to the serpent, "We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden; but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, 'You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.'"

Then the serpent said to the woman, "You will not surely die. For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate.

Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves coverings.

And they heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden.


According to Scripture it was Adam that God was speaking directly too when giving instructions. And now a serpent speaks directly to Eve and she carries on a conversation with it. She even trusts it enough to take its advice to disobey her husband and Father, God.

Once guilty of sin and rebellion, Eve talks Adam into eating the forbidden fruit too. Adam knew better but apparently his love for his wife was so strong that he didn't want to lose her so he rebelled too.

I assume that up to this point nothing had died so Adam and Eve didn't really know what the consequences of death truly meant.


Genesis 3:8-12

And they heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden.

Then the Lord God called to Adam and said to him, "Where are you?"

So he said, "I heard Your voice in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; and I hid myself."

And He said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you that you should not eat?"

Then the man said, "The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I ate."


Both could feel the weight and shame of the guilt they equally shared and in their naivete they thought they could hide it from their Creator/Father.

But of course Adam, rather than manning up and confessing his own disobedience he immediately blamed Eve for his personal actions.


Genesis 3:13-19

And the Lord God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?"

The woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate."

So the Lord God said to the serpent: "Because you have done this,
You are cursed more than all cattle, and more than every beast of the field; On your belly you shall go, and you shall eat dust all the days of your life.

And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise His heel."

To the woman He said: "I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception; In pain you shall bring forth children; Your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you."

Then to Adam He said, "Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, 'You shall not eat of it': "Cursed is the ground for your sake; In toil you shall eat of it all the days of your life. Both thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you, and you shall eat the herb of the field. In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread till you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; For dust you are, and to dust you shall return."


And of course Eve followed her husband's example and blamed the serpent for her personal actions.

But now Eve was no longer Adam's equal. Now because of her weakness and rebellion she was to be ruled by her husband. And Adam would toil and struggle to take care of his family.

noway ... ohwell


Genesis 4:8-17

Now Cain talked to his brother Abel, and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother and killed him.

Then the Lord said to Cain, "Where is Abel your brother?" He said, "I do not know. Am I my brother's keeper?"

And the Lord said, "What have you done? The voice of your brother's blood cries out to Me from the ground. So now you are cursed from the earth, which has opened its mouth to receive your brother's blood from your hand.

When you till the ground, it shall no longer yield to you its strength to you. A fugitive and a vagabond you shall be on the earth."

And Cain said to the Lord, "My punishment is greater than I can bear! Surely You have driven me out this day from the face of the ground; I shall be hidden from Your face; I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond on the earth, and it will happen that anyone who finds me will kill me."

And the Lord said to him, "Therefore, whoever kills Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold." And the Lord set a mark on Cain, lest anyone finding him should kill him.

Then Cain went out from the presence of the Lord and dwelt in the land of Nod on the east of Eden. And Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch. And he built a city, and called the name of the city after the name of his son, Enoch.


Cain was jealous of his brother Abel because God favored Abel's offering of the best of his flock that symbolized his obedience to God's instructions and Christ's future self sacrifice.

While God detested Cain's offering that consisted of the best of his garden. Rather than Cain honoring and obeying God he was showing off his skill and bounty not realizing it was God who made his garden fruitful, it wasn't because of Cain's sweat and toil.

The hatred that Cain felt toward his brother that inspired him to murder is the same hatred Jesus would endure hanging on the cross for our sins of disobedience and rebellion. And His death and self sacrifice would ensure our debts would be paid to pave the way for our reunion with God the Father some day.

When Cain killed Abel it was another instance of good vs evil, Satan vs God. And it was the beginning of the path that would divide everyone's footsteps either leading in one direction or the other.

Those who will humble themselves and become like little children obeying God and His instructions...

Or those who are arrogant and proud of their abilities and accomplishments who follow their own ways and ideals instead...

And just like our first parents, Adam and Eve, rather than accepting personal responsibility for the decisions we make and actions we take we tend to like to blame everybody else for why we do things.

But ultimately, according to Scripture we will ALL answer individually for every word and deed.


Genesis 4:18-24

To Enoch was born Irad; and Irad begot Mehujael, and Mehujael begot Methushael, and Methushael begot Lamech. Then Lamech took for himself two wives: the name of one was Adah, and the name of the second was Zillah.

And Adah bore Jabal. He was the father of those who dwell in tents and have livestock. His brother's name was Jubal. He was the father of all those who play the harp and flute.

And as for Zillah, she also bore Tubal-Cain, an instructor of every craftsman in bronze and iron. And the sister of Tubal-Cain was Naamah.

Then Lamech said to his wives: "Adah and Zillah, hear my voice; Wives of Lamech, listen to my speech! For I have killed a man for wounding me, Even a young man for hurting me. If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, Then Lamech seventy-sevenfold."


You may wonder what genealogy has to do with the Ten Commandments, but unless you know the whole story behind why they were created in the first place there relevance to us today may not be so apparent. IMO.

Plus, if we do take the bible at face value it's cool to see what it says about where all the real talent and sin originally sprang from.


Genesis 4:25-26

And Adam knew his wife again, and she bore a son and named him Seth, "For God has appointed another seed for me instead of Abel, whom Cain killed."

And as for Seth, to him also a son was born; and he named him Enosh.

Then men began to call on the name of the Lord.


If we know anything about human nature it's that when things are going good we tend not to seek the Lord's guidance or blessings, it's only when something bad happens that we may instinctively call out His name and begin praying, "Dear God, PLEASE HELP ME/US!"

So we assume that it was the same way back then because as the old saying goes, "If we don't remember the past we are doomed to repeat it."

Well, the men began calling on the name of the Lord for some reason, so we have to dig deeper into the Word to appease our curiosity.


Genesis 5:1-32

This is the book of the genealogy of Adam.

In the day that God created man, He made him in the likeness of God. He created them male and female, and blessed them and called them Mankind in the day they were created.

And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth. After he begot Seth, the days of Adam were eight hundred years; and he had sons and daughters.

So all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years; and he died.

Seth lived one hundred and five years, and begot Enosh. After he begot Enosh, Seth lived eight hundred and seven years, and had sons and daughters.

So all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years; and he died.

Enosh lived ninety years, and begot Cainan. After he begot Cainan, Enosh lived eight hundred and fifteen years, and had sons and daughters.

So all the days of Enosh were nine hundred and five years; and he died.

Cainan lived seventy years, and begot Mahalalel. After he begot Mahalalel, Cainan lived eight hundred and forty years, and had sons and daughters.

So all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years; and he died.

Mahalalel lived sixty-five years, and begot Jared. After he begot Jared, Mahalalel lived eight hundred and thirty years, and had sons and daughters.

So all the days of Mahalalel were eight hundred and ninety-five years; and he died.

Jared lived one hundred and sixty-two years, and begot Enoch. After he begot Enoch, Jared lived eight hundred years, and had sons and daughters.

So all the days of Jared were nine hundred and sixty-two years; and he died.

Enoch lived sixty-five years, and begot Methuselah. After he begot Methuselah, Enoch walked with God three hundred years, and had sons and daughters.

So all the days of Enoch were three hundred and sixty-five years. And Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him.

Methuselah lived one hundred and eighty-seven years, and begot Lamech. After he begot Lamech, Methuselah lived seven hundred and eighty-two years, and had sons and daughters.

So all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred and sixty-nine years; and he died.

Lamech lived one hundred and eighty-two years, and had a son. And he called his name Noah, saying, "This one will comfort us concerning our work and the toil of our hands, because of the ground which the Lord has cursed." After he begot Noah, Lamech lived five hundred and ninety-five years, and had sons and daughters.

So all the days of Lamech were seven hundred and seventy-seven years; and he died.

And Noah was five hundred years old, and Noah begot Shem, Ham, and Japheth.


Because I find the Scriptures so enlightening, and yes, sometimes they are confusing too, I personally spent about 5 years researching and studying them daily during my first marriage when my ex and I were members in leadership positions at our church.

We didn't own a TV or listen to the radio either so I had plenty of downtime to fill when I was alone at home. Needless to say I developed family tree charts and all just to simplify the bible story in my own head.

And it was a pretty cool experience, although now nearly 30 years after I walked away from it all to get a job in the secular world does my memory need some refreshing too. slaphead

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