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Topic: Supreme Court Hears Case About Online Threats
mr_king_solomon's photo
Tue 06/17/14 08:32 AM
A man made a posting on a social media site about harming his ex-wife. This case is about can a poster online blow off steam, speak freely, or even say they were just playing, or should posters be prosecuted for what they say online.

Also, an Anti-Troll Law is about to be passed.

How do you feel about this?

Look, the internet is infested with many types of people saying offensive things. Should the government regulate what you can say?

I'm sure when someone says something that YOU find offensive, you have no problem with them being held accountable to the fullest extent of the law.

But what about when those in your gender, race, or country offends others?

Many don't like America. Should we silence their opinions?

If we prosecuted all internet racists, half the internet would be in prison.

What about sexists? On both sides.

Should a man be considered a sex offender for sending a lewd message to a woman who has everything showing in her pro pic now?

What do you think?

FearandLoathing's photo
Tue 06/17/14 08:36 AM
There is a discernible difference between blowing off steam and consciously coming up with a threat.

I do not believe you cover that difference, further; threatening someone is against the law in most places. We're talking law here, not internet.

Eventually, yes, they will try to push things through to control the internet...But, like so many times in the past, they will fail to the overwhelming majority of internet gurus that will spread the word quicker and further than they can.

mr_king_solomon's photo
Tue 06/17/14 08:42 AM
Ok, what about this? Some people have a different sense of humor than others.

Some cultures, have a different way of communicating than others.

What is offensive or "threatening" to one, may not be too another.

FearandLoathing's photo
Tue 06/17/14 08:50 AM

Ok, what about this? Some people have a different sense of humor than others.

Some cultures, have a different way of communicating than others.

What is offensive or "threatening" to one, may not be too another.


Well, now you're just justifying the means.

A threat is a threat, if someone finds a comment threatening they can treat it in the manner according to law...I'm sure if it were comical, it would be taken in jest.

mr_king_solomon's photo
Tue 06/17/14 08:56 AM
What about trolls?

I knew of a troll that posted despicable things about many subjects. But his defenders said it's "satire", or "dark humor".

In the meantime, other people were incensed.

Who's going to decide where humor begins, and where it ends?


TxsGal3333's photo
Tue 06/17/14 08:57 AM
First of all as far as sites such as this one has rules that all members must comply by. Freedom of Speech Rule does not over see the rules of each site.

As far as the guy blowing off steam. When one makes a threat in public or on a Social site it can and will be used against him. Again Freedom of Speech can not be used. For Freedom of Speech one can have a opinion as long as it is not bringing harm to another...

As far as the Anti-Troll law with all those that think they can get away with what ever they want to cause it is the Internet. Need to realize they will pay for the harm they cause others.

As far as the government regulating the internet do you feel that pedophiles should have free rein online? I would hope not to me the same with those that feel just because they are online they can say and do as they please...A little Respect goes a long ways.

As far as if they are in my same Gender,Race or Country I could care less hold them accountable for their actions. No one is above being held accountable for what they do or say.

When sending messages that are sexually it all comes down to Respect the men/woman that send them have little Respect for themselves or others..Now if that person they are sending them to are under age heck yea they should be labeled as a sex offender... When someone tells a man/woman one time they are offended by such talk then it comes to a form of harassment. Just cause a woman dresses a certain way does not mean she is open for sexually advances..

Just my personal opinion..whoa

FearandLoathing's photo
Tue 06/17/14 08:58 AM

What about trolls?

I knew of a troll that posted despicable things about many subjects. But his defenders said it's "satire", or "dark humor".

In the meantime, other people were incensed.

Who's going to decide where humor begins, and where it ends?




The person that feels threatened.

This is specifically about threats, not trolls roaming around posting whatever...And as I covered, if they tried to pull a move on trolls over the internet it would get shot down by most mainstream social sites.

Conrad_73's photo
Tue 06/17/14 09:05 AM

A man made a posting on a social media site about harming his ex-wife. This case is about can a poster online blow off steam, speak freely, or even say they were just playing, or should posters be prosecuted for what they say online.

Also, an Anti-Troll Law is about to be passed.

How do you feel about this?

Look, the internet is infested with many types of people saying offensive things. Should the government regulate what you can say?

I'm sure when someone says something that YOU find offensive, you have no problem with them being held accountable to the fullest extent of the law.

But what about when those in your gender, race, or country offends others?

Many don't like America. Should we silence their opinions?

If we prosecuted all internet racists, half the internet would be in prison.

What about sexists? On both sides.

Should a man be considered a sex offender for sending a lewd message to a woman who has everything showing in her pro pic now?

What do you think?
would be interesting to know how you arrive at Fifty Percent of Racists on the Internet?

mr_king_solomon's photo
Tue 06/17/14 09:08 AM
The topic is attempting to address two cases.

The threat case, and the troll law.

Why are you so adamant about the survival of trolls?


mr_king_solomon's photo
Tue 06/17/14 09:13 AM
At Kristi, what you wrote sounds reasonable, but everything you said...I find could be interpreted differently by different people.

Except the pedophile comment.

Do YOU, think pedophiles should have free reign on the net?

I would hope not.

So if a male minor with his shirt off lies about his age (common occurrence), and a female sends him a lewd message...


That woman should be labeled a sex offender the rest of her life?

See what I mean?


Conrad_73's photo
Tue 06/17/14 09:14 AM
I really can't see the value of setting up special Parallel-Laws for the <Internet,since practically all Behaviour is already covered by some Laws!
What difference is it if I threaten someone in Person or Online?
Same Law has been broken!
Laws to specifically govern Internet-behavior has only one reason,even more restrictions on the People's Rights to Free Speech!

Conrad_73's photo
Tue 06/17/14 09:18 AM

The topic is attempting to address two cases.

The threat case, and the troll law.

Why are you so adamant about the survival of trolls?



First you need to settle the Definition of a Troll,before you can even think about setting any Rules!

TxsGal3333's photo
Tue 06/17/14 09:29 AM

At Kristi, what you wrote sounds reasonable, but everything you said...I find could be interpreted differently by different people.

Except the pedophile comment.

Do YOU, think pedophiles should have free reign on the net?

I would hope not.

So if a male minor with his shirt off lies about his age (common occurrence), and a female sends him a lewd message...


That woman should be labeled a sex offender the rest of her life?

See what I mean?




If a man/woman sends lewd messages to someone online, what type of person do you feel they really are? People need to use some common sense when online.

Regardless if online or in person why should that person not be held accountable for their actions... I mean really if the messages are that heated they most likely have intentions of meeting them and age to them means nothing..

The ones I have heard of that were labeled Sex Offenders did more then a few lewd messages.. They took the messages to another step and had every intention of meeting them or did met them. The messages they sent were in full graphic detail of what they wanted and fully aware of the age.

Regardless how I see things everyone is not going to see it the same way... We all have our own way we see things in life.

mr_king_solomon's photo
Tue 06/17/14 09:52 AM
Lol

Wait a minute. What kind of people do I think would send a lewd message? That doesn't come close to making them a sex offender. So asking what kind of person they are...is irrelevant to that point.

There are people who like messages like that. They may even invite such things. I've seen all kinds of things said in forum that may fall in the category of "lewd", but unless the person they're talking to objects...

Why would the government, or other busy body ultra-conservative onlookers try to dictate what is, and what is not appropriate...if the people involved have no issue with it.

I'm a Christian. I'm HIGHLY OFFENDED by many, many, many comments and sentiments on the internet concerning GOD, Jesus, and Christianity.

Should Christians push to pass a law to prosecute those attacking our faith in a vile fashion everyday online?

Or should Christian-bashers have freedom of speech to do so?

There is a popular white nationalist site that specializes in the hate of other races.

Should The Supreme Court shut them down?

See what I mean?

no photo
Tue 06/17/14 10:23 AM
liars are liars, and should not be protected by anonymity or for libelous and/or slanderous and/or terroristic speech, just because they are behind a keyboard.


fortunately, many are just dumb, and are eventually outted. :laughing:

TxsGal3333's photo
Tue 06/17/14 10:28 AM


If a man/woman sends lewd messages to someone online, what type of person do you feel they really are? People need to use some common sense when online.



Let me clear this up first. What I meant was for those that send lewd messages right off the bat before they have a chance to even know them.

No way anyone can determine how that person will perceive those type of messages within the first time or two they contact them.

As far are Religion I don't get into those arguments..

As far as Racism it has come a long way. Sure not as far as we wish it would. But until we teach our young that color has no bearing on the person within it will continue... It all comes down to what we pass on too each generation....

By showing others the same hate they have for another only creates more hate. It is only a viscous circle... Someone has to stand up and show that love for one another can prevail~~~

mr_king_solomon's photo
Tue 06/17/14 10:38 AM
Edited by mr_king_solomon on Tue 06/17/14 10:39 AM

liars are liars, and should not be protected by anonymity or for libelous and/or slanderous and/or terroristic speech, just because they are behind a keyboard.


fortunately, many are just dumb, and are eventually outted. I:laughing:


Yeah, on the subject of people being "outted", that usually involves other users researching, looking up things, cyber-stalking, etc.

Do THOSE people deserve anonymity?

What's up with some clown looking at your picture, looking at your state, and spending time and energy to track down another user who isn't doing all that to you?

They need a life too.:laughing:

jester0012009's photo
Tue 06/17/14 10:43 AM
uhaha we have turned into a pansy people.u cant really do much with threats excepet restraining orders.lets focus on serious crime.kids killing each other in the streets over a different color dress wear.

no photo
Tue 06/17/14 10:45 AM
idunno...

i think REsponding to REmarks that contradict, and using information provided by the liar himself, kinda makes it fair game.


i'd say that was a case of karma doing it's thing, and doing it well. :thumbsup:

mr_king_solomon's photo
Tue 06/17/14 10:50 AM
Edited by mr_king_solomon on Tue 06/17/14 10:52 AM
That's right Jester. Not allowing people to express their thoughts...does not take away the thoughts!

LOL

In fact, authorities should love the fact that potential offenders say whatever they want online! It's almost like getting confessions without interrogating. Let people speak their mind.

@Dub, that goes both ways.

Karma?

Ok, so the "outter"...Will get outed as well.

Cool.


Oh yeah, don't forget the crimes outside of inner cities Jester. We getting spree shooters by the week! And you don't even have to wear any kind of color for those guys to shoot up schools, etc.



:smile:

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