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Topic: 1500-2000 year old bible
lonelyman3036 Joined Mon 08/05/13 Posts: 1590	Tue 05/06/14 07:57 PM
No man can be an example. Man will fail. That is why Jesus had to come. Man is only an example of our need for a savior. "For all have sinned and fall short..."

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Tue 05/06/14 08:20 PM
No man can be an example. Man will fail. That is why Jesus had to come. Man is only an example of our need for a savior. "For all have sinned and fall short..." :)

Milesoftheusa Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 5122	Tue 05/06/14 10:06 PM
The source of all religions is God. Even trinity of God means three persons in one God. Adam is father of all. So, NOT for what? This is where a lot of people get confused. Christianity's Holy Scripture is actually the New Testament. While we do consider The Old Testament to be Holy Scripture, we are the wild branches that are grafted in to The Vine. We are to live by The New Testament. I see. So what made Yahshua sinless? The NT?? Jesus was sinless because he never broke a law. He never indulged in a sinful action. All his actions were pure and align with the laws. And the new testament didn't "make" Jesus sinless. The new testament is the collection of books and epistles that are according to our lord and savior Jesus Christ. so then just what does someone being an example mean to u? Jesus is our example through what he did, not specifically cause of the new testament. The new testament is merely passed on knowledge of what has happened and what is yet to come. It's not a bedtime story written to read to children to make them go to sleep. That's how your statement makes it seem. Jesus was a real live breathing being in the flesh. No the point is u say Yahshua was our example and he died for our sins . then say what he did was useless because his example to u was useless. Mark 7:6-7 6 He answered and said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: 'This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me. 7 And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.' NKJV nothing has changed

lonelyman3036 Joined Mon 08/05/13 Posts: 1590	Tue 05/06/14 10:44 PM
At what point Did we say that what Jesus did was useless? He is that Example! Christian literally means Christ like, it does not mean Christ. we can never be perfect but when God looks at us he sees Jesus if we have accepted the payment that He made for our sins. I am worried that you really want to argue theology and dogma.

lonelyman3036 Joined Mon 08/05/13 Posts: 1590	Tue 05/06/14 10:47 PM Edited by lonelyman3036 on Tue 05/06/14 10:48 PM
And to answer your question, Jesus was without sin because Jesus is God.

Milesoftheusa Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 5122	Tue 05/06/14 11:00 PM
And to answer your question, Jesus was without sin because Jesus is God. if u do not follow and do what he did then u follow man not him. so that makes him useless to all who do. Heb 10:29-31 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay," says the Lord. And again, "The LORD will judge His people." 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. NKJV

LUNG1954 Joined Thu 04/24/14 Posts: 1434	Wed 05/07/14 04:45 AM
Sure, if u do not follow and do what the Prophet did then u follow man not Him. People who are faithfully true to their trusts, and strictly guard their prayers. Those are indeed the inheritors, who shall inherit the paradise. They shall dwell therein forever. So all prophets and some of followers shall inherit the paradise. Messengers are infallible in carrying out their mission. They do not forget anything that Allah (God) has revealed to them.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Wed 05/07/14 05:04 AM
Sure, if u do not follow and do what the Prophet did then u follow man not Him. People who are faithfully true to their trusts, and strictly guard their prayers. Those are indeed the inheritors, who shall inherit the paradise. They shall dwell therein forever. So all prophets and some of followers shall inherit the paradise. Messengers are infallible in carrying out their mission. They do not forget anything that Allah (God) has revealed to them. Yep,tell us all about Abrogation in the Koran and Islam!

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Wed 05/07/14 06:11 AM
The source of all religions is God. Even trinity of God means three persons in one God. Adam is father of all. So, NOT for what? This is where a lot of people get confused. Christianity's Holy Scripture is actually the New Testament. While we do consider The Old Testament to be Holy Scripture, we are the wild branches that are grafted in to The Vine. We are to live by The New Testament. I see. So what made Yahshua sinless? The NT?? Jesus was sinless because he never broke a law. He never indulged in a sinful action. All his actions were pure and align with the laws. And the new testament didn't "make" Jesus sinless. The new testament is the collection of books and epistles that are according to our lord and savior Jesus Christ. so then just what does someone being an example mean to u? Jesus is our example through what he did, not specifically cause of the new testament. The new testament is merely passed on knowledge of what has happened and what is yet to come. It's not a bedtime story written to read to children to make them go to sleep. That's how your statement makes it seem. Jesus was a real live breathing being in the flesh. No the point is u say Yahshua was our example and he died for our sins . then say what he did was useless because his example to u was useless. Mark 7:6-7 6 He answered and said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: 'This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me. 7 And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.' NKJV nothing has changed Please do not alter verse(s) if and when you use them. Mark 7:6-7 6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. 7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Jesus didn't die as an "example". Jesus died so you would not have to.

Milesoftheusa Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 5122	Wed 05/07/14 06:47 AM
The source of all religions is God. Even trinity of God means three persons in one God. Adam is father of all. So, NOT for what? This is where a lot of people get confused. Christianity's Holy Scripture is actually the New Testament. While we do consider The Old Testament to be Holy Scripture, we are the wild branches that are grafted in to The Vine. We are to live by The New Testament. I see. So what made Yahshua sinless? The NT?? Jesus was sinless because he never broke a law. He never indulged in a sinful action. All his actions were pure and align with the laws. And the new testament didn't "make" Jesus sinless. The new testament is the collection of books and epistles that are according to our lord and savior Jesus Christ. so then just what does someone being an example mean to u? Jesus is our example through what he did, not specifically cause of the new testament. The new testament is merely passed on knowledge of what has happened and what is yet to come. It's not a bedtime story written to read to children to make them go to sleep. That's how your statement makes it seem. Jesus was a real live breathing being in the flesh. No the point is u say Yahshua was our example and he died for our sins . then say what he did was useless because his example to u was useless. Mark 7:6-7 6 He answered and said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: 'This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me. 7 And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.' NKJV nothing has changed Please do not alter verse(s) if and when you use them. Mark 7:6-7 6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. 7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Jesus didn't die as an "example". Jesus died so you would not have to. I altered verses? JC the name u claim is definitely altered. He says I am the way. John 14:6-7 6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way , the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. 7 "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him." NKJV again what is an example?

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Wed 05/07/14 09:41 AM
The source of all religions is God. Even trinity of God means three persons in one God. Adam is father of all. So, NOT for what? This is where a lot of people get confused. Christianity's Holy Scripture is actually the New Testament. While we do consider The Old Testament to be Holy Scripture, we are the wild branches that are grafted in to The Vine. We are to live by The New Testament. I see. So what made Yahshua sinless? The NT?? Jesus was sinless because he never broke a law. He never indulged in a sinful action. All his actions were pure and align with the laws. And the new testament didn't "make" Jesus sinless. The new testament is the collection of books and epistles that are according to our lord and savior Jesus Christ. so then just what does someone being an example mean to u? Jesus is our example through what he did, not specifically cause of the new testament. The new testament is merely passed on knowledge of what has happened and what is yet to come. It's not a bedtime story written to read to children to make them go to sleep. That's how your statement makes it seem. Jesus was a real live breathing being in the flesh. No the point is u say Yahshua was our example and he died for our sins . then say what he did was useless because his example to u was useless. Mark 7:6-7 6 He answered and said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: 'This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me. 7 And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.' NKJV nothing has changed Please do not alter verse(s) if and when you use them. Mark 7:6-7 6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. 7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Jesus didn't die as an "example". Jesus died so you would not have to. I altered verses? JC the name u claim is definitely altered. He says I am the way. John 14:6-7 6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way , the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. 7 "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him." NKJV again what is an example? Sorry did not notice the NKJV at the bottom. NKJV is a bit different in their translation from say KJV. But anywho, what does Jesus saying he is the way ect ect and Jesus being crucified have any connection to one another? Jesus wasn't crucified as an example, he was crucified for he was thought to have been speaking blasphemy. And died to save you.

Milesoftheusa Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 5122	Wed 05/07/14 09:45 AM
The source of all religions is God. Even trinity of God means three persons in one God. Adam is father of all. So, NOT for what? This is where a lot of people get confused. Christianity's Holy Scripture is actually the New Testament. While we do consider The Old Testament to be Holy Scripture, we are the wild branches that are grafted in to The Vine. We are to live by The New Testament. I see. So what made Yahshua sinless? The NT?? Jesus was sinless because he never broke a law. He never indulged in a sinful action. All his actions were pure and align with the laws. And the new testament didn't "make" Jesus sinless. The new testament is the collection of books and epistles that are according to our lord and savior Jesus Christ. so then just what does someone being an example mean to u? Jesus is our example through what he did, not specifically cause of the new testament. The new testament is merely passed on knowledge of what has happened and what is yet to come. It's not a bedtime story written to read to children to make them go to sleep. That's how your statement makes it seem. Jesus was a real live breathing being in the flesh. No the point is u say Yahshua was our example and he died for our sins . then say what he did was useless because his example to u was useless. Mark 7:6-7 6 He answered and said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: 'This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me. 7 And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.' NKJV nothing has changed Please do not alter verse(s) if and when you use them. Mark 7:6-7 6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. 7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Jesus didn't die as an "example". Jesus died so you would not have to. I altered verses? JC the name u claim is definitely altered. He says I am the way. John 14:6-7 6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way , the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. 7 "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him." NKJV again what is an example? Sorry did not notice the NKJV at the bottom. NKJV is a bit different in their translation from say KJV. But anywho, what does Jesus saying he is the way ect ect and Jesus being crucified have any connection to one another? Jesus wasn't crucified as an example, he was crucified for he was thought to have been speaking blasphemy. And died to save you. believe what u want. John 15:18-25 "If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you. 19 If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. 20 Remember the word that I said to you,'A servant is not greater than his master.' If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you. If they kept My word, they will keep yours also. 21 But all these things they will do to you for My name's sake, because they do not know Him who sent Me. 22 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would have no sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin. 23 He who hates Me hates My Father also. 24 If I had not done among them the works which no one else did, they would have no sin; but now they have seen and also hated both Me and My Father. 25 But this happened that the word might be fulfilled which is written in their law, 'They hated Me without a cause.' NKJV

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Wed 05/07/14 09:51 AM
The source of all religions is God. Even trinity of God means three persons in one God. Adam is father of all. So, NOT for what? This is where a lot of people get confused. Christianity's Holy Scripture is actually the New Testament. While we do consider The Old Testament to be Holy Scripture, we are the wild branches that are grafted in to The Vine. We are to live by The New Testament. I see. So what made Yahshua sinless? The NT?? Jesus was sinless because he never broke a law. He never indulged in a sinful action. All his actions were pure and align with the laws. And the new testament didn't "make" Jesus sinless. The new testament is the collection of books and epistles that are according to our lord and savior Jesus Christ. so then just what does someone being an example mean to u? Jesus is our example through what he did, not specifically cause of the new testament. The new testament is merely passed on knowledge of what has happened and what is yet to come. It's not a bedtime story written to read to children to make them go to sleep. That's how your statement makes it seem. Jesus was a real live breathing being in the flesh. No the point is u say Yahshua was our example and he died for our sins . then say what he did was useless because his example to u was useless. Mark 7:6-7 6 He answered and said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: 'This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me. 7 And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.' NKJV nothing has changed Please do not alter verse(s) if and when you use them. Mark 7:6-7 6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. 7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Jesus didn't die as an "example". Jesus died so you would not have to. I altered verses? JC the name u claim is definitely altered. He says I am the way. John 14:6-7 6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way , the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. 7 "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him." NKJV again what is an example? Sorry did not notice the NKJV at the bottom. NKJV is a bit different in their translation from say KJV. But anywho, what does Jesus saying he is the way ect ect and Jesus being crucified have any connection to one another? Jesus wasn't crucified as an example, he was crucified for he was thought to have been speaking blasphemy. And died to save you. believe what u want. John 15:18-25 "If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you. 19 If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. 20 Remember the word that I said to you,'A servant is not greater than his master.' If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you. If they kept My word, they will keep yours also. 21 But all these things they will do to you for My name's sake, because they do not know Him who sent Me. 22 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would have no sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin. 23 He who hates Me hates My Father also. 24 If I had not done among them the works which no one else did, they would have no sin; but now they have seen and also hated both Me and My Father. 25 But this happened that the word might be fulfilled which is written in their law, 'They hated Me without a cause.' NKJV Can you please explain the relevance between Jesus telling us people hate him and us doing his will people will hate us, to what is being discussed? What does that have to do with Jesus being the way? Or Jesus' crucifixion on that note. Jesus wasn't crucified because they hated him, he was crucified again for what they thought blasphemy against God.

LUNG1954 Joined Thu 04/24/14 Posts: 1434	Wed 05/07/14 12:14 PM
Please Conrad Abrogation in the Koran and Islam! You can read about abrogation in this site; http://www.quranicstudies.com/books/abrogation-in-the-quran-and-islamic-law/

TBRich Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 8232	Thu 05/08/14 06:24 AM
John is considered the unreliable gospel. Many scholar feel that Jesus never claimed to be g-d. John is unreliable because just like that children's game of "whisper the down lane", the longer a story is told, the more it gets distorted. There is an excellent analysis of John by a former minister which demonstrates this quite clearly, esp. in relation to the other gospels, but I forget his name now, might be on the Disinformation website

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Thu 05/08/14 06:50 AM
Please Conrad Abrogation in the Koran and Islam! You can read about abrogation in this site; http://www.quranicstudies.com/books/abrogation-in-the-quran-and-islamic-law/ Read about it,and it ain't pretty! Actually decidedly deceptive! Pulling the Wool over the Eyes of the unsuspecting! Put's the claim of "Peaceful" ,and that the Jihadists aren't true Muslims to rest once and for all!

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Thu 05/08/14 06:57 AM
John is considered the unreliable gospel. Many scholar feel that Jesus never claimed to be g-d. John is unreliable because just like that children's game of "whisper the down lane", the longer a story is told, the more it gets distorted. There is an excellent analysis of John by a former minister which demonstrates this quite clearly, esp. in relation to the other gospels, but I forget his name now, might be on the Disinformation website Isaiah 43:3 3 For I am the Lord thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee. Exodus 20:2 2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Psalm 81:10 10 I am the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt: open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it. Well I don't know what those "scholars" are reading, but it is found all through the entire bible that Jesus is God, not just from John. The context of the verses have no relevance btw, just used for example purposes of the Lord eg., Jesus saying he is our/thy God.

TBRich Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 8232	Thu 05/08/14 09:12 AM
John is considered the unreliable gospel. Many scholar feel that Jesus never claimed to be g-d. John is unreliable because just like that children's game of "whisper the down lane", the longer a story is told, the more it gets distorted. There is an excellent analysis of John by a former minister which demonstrates this quite clearly, esp. in relation to the other gospels, but I forget his name now, might be on the Disinformation website Isaiah 43:3 3 For I am the Lord thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee. Exodus 20:2 2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Psalm 81:10 10 I am the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt: open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it. Well I don't know what those "scholars" are reading, but it is found all through the entire bible that Jesus is God, not just from John. The context of the verses have no relevance btw, just used for example purposes of the Lord eg., Jesus saying he is our/thy God. None of the verses you quote states that Jesus is g-d. Your premise is fallacy a priori

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Thu 05/08/14 09:48 AM
John is considered the unreliable gospel. Many scholar feel that Jesus never claimed to be g-d. John is unreliable because just like that children's game of "whisper the down lane", the longer a story is told, the more it gets distorted. There is an excellent analysis of John by a former minister which demonstrates this quite clearly, esp. in relation to the other gospels, but I forget his name now, might be on the Disinformation website Isaiah 43:3 3 For I am the Lord thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee. Exodus 20:2 2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Psalm 81:10 10 I am the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt: open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it. Well I don't know what those "scholars" are reading, but it is found all through the entire bible that Jesus is God, not just from John. The context of the verses have no relevance btw, just used for example purposes of the Lord eg., Jesus saying he is our/thy God. None of the verses you quote states that Jesus is g-d. Your premise is fallacy a priori For I am the Lord thy God, who in the world do you think Lord is in question here? The only Lord there is. Thus the reasoning the scriptures capitalize the "L" in "Lord", to show more precisely whom it in reference to.

lonelyman3036 Joined Mon 08/05/13 Posts: 1590	Thu 05/08/14 09:58 AM
Jesus said, "Before Abraham was, I Am..." Funny how people always say He never claimed to be God.