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protesters have the right to assemble & are in fact defacto stakeholders in public lands as is any CITIZEN in the U.S. So interference with a legal & peaceful gathering in protest is arguably a concern and probably illegal. You've got to be kidding me right? Probably illegal? I would suggest reading the constitution. Starting with the preamble to get a feel for the contract and then the amendments, in particular Amendment I It is the BLM's job to balance the varied entities with an interest in the use and disposition of public lands. There is no reason that natural gas fracturing should prevent grazing, or harm tortises or cattle or horses. There will be an environmental impact because they will need to build roads. The well pads themselves will not take up much space. Water quality and earthquakes are the real issues. And, fracturing should be put on hold until further studies are done/ information is gathered regarding existing concerns in other parts of the country (where i live in Ohio, for instance) before fracturing is continued. In fact public land use requires environmental impact studies. The true focus should be on obtaining that/ making sure it is completed and disclosed in full. Thankfully we have the right to request an impact statement and comment in the federal administrations comment period. Those things are probably at least as useful as protests. Facts, not reactionary vomiting, will have an influence. And just where in the constitution would we find this little jewel. First, just what authority does the BLM have in general? Second, just who does the land belong to? And then, just whom owns the rights to the land? Let me help out as I know the answers are hard. First, the BLM has no authority whatsoever other than their original purpose, to survey and determine how best to get the land into the hands of the citizens. They can not own land, period. "To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And" So that also answers the second question, the state owns the land just as Bundy keeps stating. And Bundy has grazing and water rights to the land, his family has since 1870 something. And by common law with the improvements he made, he actually owns the land in it's entirety. I really do not see how they can fracture out west. It takes millions of gallons of water. Where fracturing occurs out west they use a higher percentage of recycled water than we do here, and Ohio needs to look at that/ adopt that practice. Water is not infinite and no single entity should be permitted to compromise clean water interests that affect the rest of us. My impression was that the bundy grazing issue had to do with wild horses. I do side with the BLM on that matter and agree within their jurisdiction on BLM lands. There are records that record the boundaries. Both Mr Bundy and the BLM need to observe those boundaries. No one is "automatically" guaranteed unlimited access to public lands, especially if it is determined by their legal administrators that the use compromises the interests too greatly of other stakeholders. Just because he has always "done it this way" is not a good enough reason to continue any particular practice on public lands for ANYONE (not just Bundy). We all eat too much beef anyway. What wild horses, BLM purported that is was about the turtles, the ones so numerous BLM killed a whole bunch of them, so much for that issue. But what was even more outstanding, I saw an interview this morning on InfoWars with one of the farmers driven off 20 years ago so developers could have the land to expand Las Vegas northward if needed. Now that the farmers are gone, so are most of the turtles. Seems the turtles thrive around the cattle and don't do too well once they are gone. And the end of the statement can best be stated as pure ignorance of basic rights much less property laws. None of it carries any truth whatsoever, see the discussions above about land ownership and the constitution. But what I am trying to figure out, is this a forum to debate issues on topics or just a gossip board? |
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protesters have the right to assemble & are in fact defacto stakeholders in public lands as is any CITIZEN in the U.S. So interference with a legal & peaceful gathering in protest is arguably a concern and probably illegal. It is the BLM's job to balance the varied entities with an interest in the use and disposition of public lands. There is no reason that natural gas fracturing should prevent grazing, or harm tortises or cattle or horses. There will be an environmental impact because they will need to build roads. The well pads themselves will not take up much space. Water quality and earthquakes are the real issues. And, fracturing should be put on hold until further studies are done/ information is gathered regarding existing concerns in other parts of the country (where i live in Ohio, for instance) before fracturing is continued. In fact public land use requires environmental impact studies. The true focus should be on obtaining that/ making sure it is completed and disclosed in full. Thankfully we have the right to request an impact statement and comment in the federal administrations comment period. Those things are probably at least as useful as protests. Facts, not reactionary vomiting, will have an influence. I really do not see how they can fracture out west. It takes millions of gallons of water. Where fracturing occurs out west they use a higher percentage of recycled water than we do here, and Ohio needs to look at that/ adopt that practice. Water is not infinite and no single entity should be permitted to compromise clean water interests that affect the rest of us. My impression was that the bundy grazing issue had to do with wild horses. I do side with the BLM on that matter and agree within their jurisdiction on BLM lands. There are records that record the boundaries. Both Mr Bundy and the BLM need to observe those boundaries. No one is "automatically" guaranteed unlimited access to public lands, especially if it is determined by their legal administrators that the use compromises the interests too greatly of other stakeholders. Just because he has always "done it this way" is not a good enough reason to continue any particular practice on public lands for ANYONE (not just Bundy). We all eat too much beef anyway. This has nothing to do with a tortoise. In fact, the Bureau of Land Management has been killing those tortoises themselves due to lack of funding for the conservation center! http://www.kingsnake.com/blog/archives/1561-BLM-to-kill-hundreds-of-desert-tortoises-as-its-conservation-center-runs-out-of-money.html A far more likely reason BLM wants that land is that BLM has been selling fracking leases to oil companies in that part of the state! BLM sells 29 oil, gas leases in northeast Nevada RENO, Nev. (AP) �� Buyers snapped up 29 federal land leases totaling more than 56 square miles in a northeastern Nevada area. This could become the state's first oil shale fracking site. U.S. Bureau of Land Management geologist Lorenzo Trimble tells the Las Vegas Review-Journal the Elko County oil and gas leases sold Tuesday for $1.27 million to six different companies. The auction took place in Reno. The leases are near where Houston-based Noble Energy Inc. wants to drill for oil and natural gas on 40,000 acres of public and private land near the town of Wells. The Review-Journal reports the project would be the first in Nevada to use hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, to extract oil and gas from shale deposits. The BLM is conducting an environmental review of Noble's proposal. http://m.shalereporter.com/industry/article_0de547ba-8ca4-11e2-ab4e-0019bb30f31a.html Breaking news, it's actually about Harry Reid and his son fronting for a Chinese company to get land for a solar farm and manufacturing facility. His former aide, which is now head of BLM is being used as the government guns because Bundy refuses to give up. My,oh my, this is getting interesting. Actual treason by Reid and son. Will there be hangings? That guillotine is still for sale in France, starting bid $60,000. |
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BLM does a crappy job at caring for the Mustangs. The next auction they put on here, I'll get pictures and post them for all to see the condition these animals are in. They'd be better off processed for food. No one puts any attention to the damage fracking does. Anywhere it's done, antifreeze and other chemicals work their way int aquifers. Now, if it was just liberals being poisoned by frackig, I say go for it. That's not the case. Humans are affected also. You forgot about the millions of gallons of contaminated water, radioactive water. What do they do with that? It's got to get dumped somewhere. |
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Harry Reid's Connection to Bundy Ranch Siege As some may be aware, the Bundy Ranch in Nevada is having 500 plus head of free range cattle that have been fed on desert BLM land seized by the government. This is a long standing decades old dispute that pits the Bundy family, who have ranched this land since the 1870s, against a literal army of BLM SWAT forces supposedly there to protect desert tortoises. Our purpose here is to show how this siege must all eventually be linked to Senator Harry Reid, who literally controls everything that happens in Nevada. I wrote the only biography of Harry Reid (more below) which goes into his history of shady land dealings and use of the BLM. The best leverage the Bundys have is not against the BLM, but by making corrupt Harry Reid the focus of media attention. Because this is breaking, I will be updating this page continuously as I put information together, lots more to come. http://www.futurnamics.com/reid_bundyranch.php Yep, InfoWars has broken the dirty dealing of Harry and his son. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWok0IGI2Jo BREAKING! Sen Reid Chinese Gov't Takeover Of Ranch For Solar Farm And hey, my post even comes up on google: Topic: Harry Reid Sells Out to China |
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Things are heating up! I believe in a citizen militia, I also believe our govt is out of control and overstepping its authority. But this could spell disaster! To the govt who holds a hammer, everything is a nail, and like Waco, Ruby Ridge, Wounded Knee, Kent State and so many other occurrences, the govt can be expected to respond by inciting violence to justify deadly action! One can only hope the Sheriff and the Governor won't let it go that far...... but their actions so far (inaction by the sheriff, and only words from an absent from the scene politician [Governor]) don't give one much hope of the peaceful solution either of them could bring immediately if they would just stepped up to the plate and do their elected jobs! Armed Militia Groups Defend Rancher in Nevada http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfZj6f_luSE&feature=youtu.be Don't expect too much from the sheriff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS11ieRb1e4 Infowars Reporter Goes Off On Propaganda Information Officer Published on Apr 11, 2014 Infowars Reporters David Knight and Josh Owens went to the Clark County Sheriff's Office to get a statement on the current situation at the Bundy Ranch and find out if the Sheriff's Office knew about the Harry Reid/ Chinese solar farm. It seems as though Propaganda Information Officer, Jose Hernandez has yet to prepare his lies because he is on camera showing David Knight the door and he fails to answer any questions, which is his taxpayer funded job. Keep your public servants accountable. |
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meanwhile, kinda seems related to this.... http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/9/national-guard-loses-war-army-over-apache-transfer/comments/ so the national guard doesn't "need" Apache attack choppers anymore? And just "kinda" how is this in any way related, because someone mentioned Nevada and BLM in the comments? Just where has the national guard been mentioned or addressed form either side? |
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Sat 04/12/14 05:33 AM
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BLM fracking racket exposed! Armed siege and cattle theft from Bundy ranch really about fracking leases BLM collects $1.27 million in shale fracking leases! (NaturalNews) The Bureau of Land Management says its 200-man armed siege of the Cliven Bundy ranch in Nevada is all about protecting an "endangered tortoise." But a Natural News investigation has found that BLM is actually in the business of raking in millions of dollars by leasing Nevada lands to energy companies that engage in fracking operations. This document from the Nevada Bureau of Mines and Geology(1) shows significant exploratory drilling being conducted in precisely the same area where the Bundy family has been running cattle since the 1870's. The "Gold Butte" area is indicated on the lower right corner of the document, and it clearly shows numerous exploratory drilling operations have been conducted there. http://www.naturalnews.com/044670_blm_lies_fracking_leases_bundy_ranch.html# This would explain the inactions of the Sheriff and Governor! I wonder how fully their pockets were lined at the expense of the 63 ranches, and ranchers lives and families, they have destroyed.....Clive Bundy being the last of the 64 (original) large ranchers still standing. Taxpayers are on the hook for over $3 MILLION so far in the illegal cattle roundup alone on the Bundy ranch, not to mention the mobilization of over 200 armed federal agents, maintaining their stay, and the resources needed to clear the way for these corporations to make billions in oil profits......greasing the wheels of govt and lining the pockets of politicians like Reid who make it all possible! |
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I also just came across this little tidbit.... haven't confirmed it yet, but it sounded interesting and probable.... Killing or selling the cattle would put a whole new slant on this case making it an illegal action on the part of the BLM! BLOCKBUSTER: Straight from a rancher's mouth I live in SW Utah. I grew up on a ranch less than 100 miles from the Bundy's ranch. My father knows Cliven Bundy. I know Cliven's son Ryan. This is not a hoax, it is an action of force by the BLM. The BLM was going to sell the cattle at one of the smallest cattle markets in Utah. No cattle markets in Nevada would take the cattle without a properly signed brand inspection (which the BLM cannot obtain without Cliven Bundy's signature). The BLM paid the owner of the Utah cattle market $300,000 to do the sale ('R' Livestock Connection in Monroe, Utah, owned by one Scott G. Robbins, according to the Utah Business Entity Search). Utah Governor Herbert stepped in and forbid them from bringing the cattle into Utah without the legally required health and brand inspections (which again, require Bundy's signature) and that no feral cattle are allowed to be imported at all (per Utah statute). Because Bundy claims ownership over maybe 350-500 head of branded cattle, the other 500-700 estimated head of cattle would all be considered feral. BLM officially backed off, but we suspect they are still secretly shipping them through Utah without any permission to do so, to "private" buyers in Colorado. The contract cowboys that the BLM hired to do the roundup are from Sampson Livestock in Meadow, Utah (traitors one and all). From what I understand, Cliven Bundy owns both the Water Rights and Grazing Rights to all of the land where his cattle run. If Bundy failed to use them, the Grazing Rights would revert to the BLM and would be retired, while the Water Rights would revert to the State of Nevada, likely to be sold to the highest bidder (which would probably be a bidding war between mineral companies that are behind this action with the BLM and the City of Las Vegas which is thirsty for water and has had multiple attempts to buy water--through eminent domain from Utah farmers and ranchers--from Utah, which were all blocked by the Utah Legislature and Utah Governor Herbert). Chances are, the BLM has already filed a claim on the water rights so that they can sell to the highest bidder (instead of the state) and are trying to get the cattle off to show that Bundy cannot use the water beneficially (much like what the US Forest Service and BLM both tried to do to Wayne Hage). http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/fromaranchersmouth.html And this! About the "legal water rights" to the Bundy Ranch which the Bundys' hold legally! BLM Caught Illegally Destroying 100 Yr Old Water Tanks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYszv9-wMbs&feature=youtu.be If this is all true the BLM has FAR overstepped their legal authority in this action, and taken it to the point of criminal illegality! But the main point , the one Bundy has been making for some time, BLM does not own the land, the state of Nevada does, specifically Clark county. Bundy has offered to pay the county on numerous occasions. Now by operation of law, if he offers and they decline, all debt is cancelled and he owes nothing. |
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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I also just came across this little tidbit.... haven't confirmed it yet, but it sounded interesting and probable.... Killing or selling the cattle would put a whole new slant on this case making it an illegal action on the part of the BLM! BLOCKBUSTER: Straight from a rancher's mouth I live in SW Utah. I grew up on a ranch less than 100 miles from the Bundy's ranch. My father knows Cliven Bundy. I know Cliven's son Ryan. This is not a hoax, it is an action of force by the BLM. The BLM was going to sell the cattle at one of the smallest cattle markets in Utah. No cattle markets in Nevada would take the cattle without a properly signed brand inspection (which the BLM cannot obtain without Cliven Bundy's signature). The BLM paid the owner of the Utah cattle market $300,000 to do the sale ('R' Livestock Connection in Monroe, Utah, owned by one Scott G. Robbins, according to the Utah Business Entity Search). Utah Governor Herbert stepped in and forbid them from bringing the cattle into Utah without the legally required health and brand inspections (which again, require Bundy's signature) and that no feral cattle are allowed to be imported at all (per Utah statute). Because Bundy claims ownership over maybe 350-500 head of branded cattle, the other 500-700 estimated head of cattle would all be considered feral. BLM officially backed off, but we suspect they are still secretly shipping them through Utah without any permission to do so, to "private" buyers in Colorado. The contract cowboys that the BLM hired to do the roundup are from Sampson Livestock in Meadow, Utah (traitors one and all). From what I understand, Cliven Bundy owns both the Water Rights and Grazing Rights to all of the land where his cattle run. If Bundy failed to use them, the Grazing Rights would revert to the BLM and would be retired, while the Water Rights would revert to the State of Nevada, likely to be sold to the highest bidder (which would probably be a bidding war between mineral companies that are behind this action with the BLM and the City of Las Vegas which is thirsty for water and has had multiple attempts to buy water--through eminent domain from Utah farmers and ranchers--from Utah, which were all blocked by the Utah Legislature and Utah Governor Herbert). Chances are, the BLM has already filed a claim on the water rights so that they can sell to the highest bidder (instead of the state) and are trying to get the cattle off to show that Bundy cannot use the water beneficially (much like what the US Forest Service and BLM both tried to do to Wayne Hage). http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/fromaranchersmouth.html And this! About the "legal water rights" to the Bundy Ranch which the Bundys' hold legally! BLM Caught Illegally Destroying 100 Yr Old Water Tanks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYszv9-wMbs&feature=youtu.be If this is all true the BLM has FAR overstepped their legal authority in this action, and taken it to the point of criminal illegality! But the main point , the one Bundy has been making for some time, BLM does not own the land, the state of Nevada does, specifically Clark county. Bundy has offered to pay the county on numerous occasions. Now by operation of law, if he offers and they decline, all debt is cancelled and he owes nothing. You're wrong on one point here. He has ALWAYS paid state and local fees, but refuses to pay the govt fees on lands they don't "own", or maintain, but only manage a ledger on. Land his family has homesteaded, paid for, grazed on, and maintained for over 140 years. |
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Edited by
alnewman
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I also just came across this little tidbit.... haven't confirmed it yet, but it sounded interesting and probable.... Killing or selling the cattle would put a whole new slant on this case making it an illegal action on the part of the BLM! BLOCKBUSTER: Straight from a rancher's mouth I live in SW Utah. I grew up on a ranch less than 100 miles from the Bundy's ranch. My father knows Cliven Bundy. I know Cliven's son Ryan. This is not a hoax, it is an action of force by the BLM. The BLM was going to sell the cattle at one of the smallest cattle markets in Utah. No cattle markets in Nevada would take the cattle without a properly signed brand inspection (which the BLM cannot obtain without Cliven Bundy's signature). The BLM paid the owner of the Utah cattle market $300,000 to do the sale ('R' Livestock Connection in Monroe, Utah, owned by one Scott G. Robbins, according to the Utah Business Entity Search). Utah Governor Herbert stepped in and forbid them from bringing the cattle into Utah without the legally required health and brand inspections (which again, require Bundy's signature) and that no feral cattle are allowed to be imported at all (per Utah statute). Because Bundy claims ownership over maybe 350-500 head of branded cattle, the other 500-700 estimated head of cattle would all be considered feral. BLM officially backed off, but we suspect they are still secretly shipping them through Utah without any permission to do so, to "private" buyers in Colorado. The contract cowboys that the BLM hired to do the roundup are from Sampson Livestock in Meadow, Utah (traitors one and all). From what I understand, Cliven Bundy owns both the Water Rights and Grazing Rights to all of the land where his cattle run. If Bundy failed to use them, the Grazing Rights would revert to the BLM and would be retired, while the Water Rights would revert to the State of Nevada, likely to be sold to the highest bidder (which would probably be a bidding war between mineral companies that are behind this action with the BLM and the City of Las Vegas which is thirsty for water and has had multiple attempts to buy water--through eminent domain from Utah farmers and ranchers--from Utah, which were all blocked by the Utah Legislature and Utah Governor Herbert). Chances are, the BLM has already filed a claim on the water rights so that they can sell to the highest bidder (instead of the state) and are trying to get the cattle off to show that Bundy cannot use the water beneficially (much like what the US Forest Service and BLM both tried to do to Wayne Hage). http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/fromaranchersmouth.html And this! About the "legal water rights" to the Bundy Ranch which the Bundys' hold legally! BLM Caught Illegally Destroying 100 Yr Old Water Tanks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYszv9-wMbs&feature=youtu.be If this is all true the BLM has FAR overstepped their legal authority in this action, and taken it to the point of criminal illegality! But the main point , the one Bundy has been making for some time, BLM does not own the land, the state of Nevada does, specifically Clark county. Bundy has offered to pay the county on numerous occasions. Now by operation of law, if he offers and they decline, all debt is cancelled and he owes nothing. You're wrong on one point here. He has ALWAYS paid state and local fees, but refuses to pay the govt fees on lands they don't "own", but only manage a ledger on. Land his family has homesteaded, paid for, grazed on, and maintained for over 140 years. Not really, there was one article I saw where he offered the grazing fees to the state as he contends the feds don't own the land. The state refused to accept the fees. And as he stated again in a meeting the other night: "I love you people. And I love this land, and I love freedom and liberty," Bundy told the crowd. "I know without doubt that our Constitution didn't provide for anything like the federal government owning this land, and so when I pay my grazing fees — if I owe any grazing fees — I will sure pay it to the right landlord, and that will be to Clark County, Nevada." And that has been his contention for over 20 years, when the BLM changed the rules and he refused to pay. Now a federal judge sides with the government, imagine that. However, there was another remote article that I came across where he did offer to pay the county but they didn't want to get involved. It was only one article and alas with all the clutter reduced to obscurity but the intentions aren't and were again reiterated at the meeting the other night. And the remark, "if he owes at all" is the legal right to offering and being refused on a county level, normally best offered to the Sheriff as a constitutional officer. However, I did come across an interesting article: The Government v Bundy: Establishing the Bureau of Constitutional Erosion |
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Is the Bundy Ranch situation the first test of military against citizens? BIG GOVERNMENT IS DANGEROUS!!!!! Charlie Daniels (@CharlieDaniels) April 11, 2014 |
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Is the Bundy Ranch situation the first test of military against citizens? BIG GOVERNMENT IS DANGEROUS!!!!! Charlie Daniels (@CharlieDaniels) April 11, 2014 Not in the least is it the first and yes government is dangerous. But as I keep reading different sources, it seems the state has backed off and now the local Clark county politicians are backing off, so it is up to the people as usual. What is different, the people are fed up and willing to stand up, just like the founders in their times. Will this be the opening blows of the new revolution? Will this be the trigger to the martial law so long wanted by the government? |
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Can you see this scenario? A showdown ensues. Shots are exchanged. Carney runs into the WH yelling "Sire, the people are revolting!" Michelle would reply "I've always found them revolting. After all, they're just dirty peasants! Where's my lunch?!" Obozo would be...... 
Or gone fundraising..... |
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I love how this happens right has Congress votes to hold Obama's IRS Criminal Mc. Lerner in contempt of Congress and are going to have an up and down voted to have her put in jail until the next congress is seated in 2015. I hope they do, they have the votes! are you going to holder your Breath? I think all of them have so many Skeletons in the Closet,they will only move if their lives depend on it! They are already drafting the bill and have confirmed the votes to pass it. |
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protesters have the right to assemble & are in fact defacto stakeholders in public lands as is any CITIZEN in the U.S. So interference with a legal & peaceful gathering in protest is arguably a concern and probably illegal. It is the BLM's job to balance the varied entities with an interest in the use and disposition of public lands. There is no reason that natural gas fracturing should prevent grazing, or harm tortises or cattle or horses. There will be an environmental impact because they will need to build roads. The well pads themselves will not take up much space. Water quality and earthquakes are the real issues. And, fracturing should be put on hold until further studies are done/ information is gathered regarding existing concerns in other parts of the country (where i live in Ohio, for instance) before fracturing is continued. In fact public land use requires environmental impact studies. The true focus should be on obtaining that/ making sure it is completed and disclosed in full. Thankfully we have the right to request an impact statement and comment in the federal administrations comment period. Those things are probably at least as useful as protests. Facts, not reactionary vomiting, will have an influence. I really do not see how they can fracture out west. It takes millions of gallons of water. Where fracturing occurs out west they use a higher percentage of recycled water than we do here, and Ohio needs to look at that/ adopt that practice. Water is not infinite and no single entity should be permitted to compromise clean water interests that affect the rest of us. My impression was that the bundy grazing issue had to do with wild horses. I do side with the BLM on that matter and agree within their jurisdiction on BLM lands. There are records that record the boundaries. Both Mr Bundy and the BLM need to observe those boundaries. No one is "automatically" guaranteed unlimited access to public lands, especially if it is determined by their legal administrators that the use compromises the interests too greatly of other stakeholders. Just because he has always "done it this way" is not a good enough reason to continue any particular practice on public lands for ANYONE (not just Bundy). We all eat too much beef anyway. This has nothing to do with a tortoise. In fact, the Bureau of Land Management has been killing those tortoises themselves due to lack of funding for the conservation center! http://www.kingsnake.com/blog/archives/1561-BLM-to-kill-hundreds-of-desert-tortoises-as-its-conservation-center-runs-out-of-money.html A far more likely reason BLM wants that land is that BLM has been selling fracking leases to oil companies in that part of the state! BLM sells 29 oil, gas leases in northeast Nevada RENO, Nev. (AP) �� Buyers snapped up 29 federal land leases totaling more than 56 square miles in a northeastern Nevada area. This could become the state's first oil shale fracking site. U.S. Bureau of Land Management geologist Lorenzo Trimble tells the Las Vegas Review-Journal the Elko County oil and gas leases sold Tuesday for $1.27 million to six different companies. The auction took place in Reno. The leases are near where Houston-based Noble Energy Inc. wants to drill for oil and natural gas on 40,000 acres of public and private land near the town of Wells. The Review-Journal reports the project would be the first in Nevada to use hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, to extract oil and gas from shale deposits. The BLM is conducting an environmental review of Noble's proposal. http://m.shalereporter.com/industry/article_0de547ba-8ca4-11e2-ab4e-0019bb30f31a.html Breaking news, it's actually about Harry Reid and his son fronting for a Chinese company to get land for a solar farm and manufacturing facility. His former aide, which is now head of BLM is being used as the government guns because Bundy refuses to give up. My,oh my, this is getting interesting. Actual treason by Reid and son. Will there be hangings? That guillotine is still for sale in France, starting bid $60,000. That is not what it's about. As a local Nevadan the Government has been Federalizing the land in Southern Nevada for years because of Groom Lake (Area 51) and the Tonopah Test Range where they need privacy for testing new and improved technologies, that is why Nevada has more Federal land then any other state in the US and it is all in Southern Nevada. |
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BLM does a crappy job at caring for the Mustangs. The next auction they put on here, I'll get pictures and post them for all to see the condition these animals are in. They'd be better off processed for food. No one puts any attention to the damage fracking does. Anywhere it's done, antifreeze and other chemicals work their way int aquifers. Now, if it was just liberals being poisoned by frackig, I say go for it. That's not the case. Humans are affected also. You forgot about the millions of gallons of contaminated water, radioactive water. What do they do with that? It's got to get dumped somewhere. They have left it in place saying it's harmless. That is why from Fallon to the Nevada Test site there have been the highest cancer cluster rate in children in the country. |
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Edited by
Lpdon
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Sat 04/12/14 11:19 AM
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I also just came across this little tidbit.... haven't confirmed it yet, but it sounded interesting and probable.... Killing or selling the cattle would put a whole new slant on this case making it an illegal action on the part of the BLM! BLOCKBUSTER: Straight from a rancher's mouth I live in SW Utah. I grew up on a ranch less than 100 miles from the Bundy's ranch. My father knows Cliven Bundy. I know Cliven's son Ryan. This is not a hoax, it is an action of force by the BLM. The BLM was going to sell the cattle at one of the smallest cattle markets in Utah. No cattle markets in Nevada would take the cattle without a properly signed brand inspection (which the BLM cannot obtain without Cliven Bundy's signature). The BLM paid the owner of the Utah cattle market $300,000 to do the sale ('R' Livestock Connection in Monroe, Utah, owned by one Scott G. Robbins, according to the Utah Business Entity Search). Utah Governor Herbert stepped in and forbid them from bringing the cattle into Utah without the legally required health and brand inspections (which again, require Bundy's signature) and that no feral cattle are allowed to be imported at all (per Utah statute). Because Bundy claims ownership over maybe 350-500 head of branded cattle, the other 500-700 estimated head of cattle would all be considered feral. BLM officially backed off, but we suspect they are still secretly shipping them through Utah without any permission to do so, to "private" buyers in Colorado. The contract cowboys that the BLM hired to do the roundup are from Sampson Livestock in Meadow, Utah (traitors one and all). From what I understand, Cliven Bundy owns both the Water Rights and Grazing Rights to all of the land where his cattle run. If Bundy failed to use them, the Grazing Rights would revert to the BLM and would be retired, while the Water Rights would revert to the State of Nevada, likely to be sold to the highest bidder (which would probably be a bidding war between mineral companies that are behind this action with the BLM and the City of Las Vegas which is thirsty for water and has had multiple attempts to buy water--through eminent domain from Utah farmers and ranchers--from Utah, which were all blocked by the Utah Legislature and Utah Governor Herbert). Chances are, the BLM has already filed a claim on the water rights so that they can sell to the highest bidder (instead of the state) and are trying to get the cattle off to show that Bundy cannot use the water beneficially (much like what the US Forest Service and BLM both tried to do to Wayne Hage). http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/fromaranchersmouth.html And this! About the "legal water rights" to the Bundy Ranch which the Bundys' hold legally! BLM Caught Illegally Destroying 100 Yr Old Water Tanks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYszv9-wMbs&feature=youtu.be If this is all true the BLM has FAR overstepped their legal authority in this action, and taken it to the point of criminal illegality! But the main point , the one Bundy has been making for some time, BLM does not own the land, the state of Nevada does, specifically Clark county. Bundy has offered to pay the county on numerous occasions. Now by operation of law, if he offers and they decline, all debt is cancelled and he owes nothing. Bundy's wrong, it's Federal Land and he believes because he is a Mormon and his ancestors have been on that land for over 100 years. Bro, I am on your side on this one. What I am scared of is this is the most action the BLM Agents have probably ever seen and if for god sake someone gets shot, the FBI automatically comes in and takes command but maybe that's a good thing because they at least have common sense. After the US Marshall got killed at Ruby Ridge which brought the FBI in and the FBI Site commander and the Deputy Director of the FBI and after getting all the information of what happened immediately sent a memo up the chain. OPR 004477 Something to Consider 1. Charge against Weaver is Bull ****. 2. No one saw Weaver do any shooting. 3. Vicki has no charges against her. 4. Weaver's defense. He ran down the hill to see what dog was barking at. Some guys in camys shot his dog. Started shooting at him. Killed his son. Harris did the shooting [of Degan]. He [Weaver] is in pretty strong legal position." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge |
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now they are attacking the protesters.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UUYr9ruxjGbBB1MOpuU6tpAQ&v=LhJ6H9vlEDA The fear is the protesters are carrying concealed weapons. Everyone in Nevada carries, we are an open carry state, with one of the highest number of concealed carry permits in the country. |
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I also just came across this little tidbit.... haven't confirmed it yet, but it sounded interesting and probable.... Killing or selling the cattle would put a whole new slant on this case making it an illegal action on the part of the BLM! BLOCKBUSTER: Straight from a rancher's mouth I live in SW Utah. I grew up on a ranch less than 100 miles from the Bundy's ranch. My father knows Cliven Bundy. I know Cliven's son Ryan. This is not a hoax, it is an action of force by the BLM. The BLM was going to sell the cattle at one of the smallest cattle markets in Utah. No cattle markets in Nevada would take the cattle without a properly signed brand inspection (which the BLM cannot obtain without Cliven Bundy's signature). The BLM paid the owner of the Utah cattle market $300,000 to do the sale ('R' Livestock Connection in Monroe, Utah, owned by one Scott G. Robbins, according to the Utah Business Entity Search). Utah Governor Herbert stepped in and forbid them from bringing the cattle into Utah without the legally required health and brand inspections (which again, require Bundy's signature) and that no feral cattle are allowed to be imported at all (per Utah statute). Because Bundy claims ownership over maybe 350-500 head of branded cattle, the other 500-700 estimated head of cattle would all be considered feral. BLM officially backed off, but we suspect they are still secretly shipping them through Utah without any permission to do so, to "private" buyers in Colorado. The contract cowboys that the BLM hired to do the roundup are from Sampson Livestock in Meadow, Utah (traitors one and all). From what I understand, Cliven Bundy owns both the Water Rights and Grazing Rights to all of the land where his cattle run. If Bundy failed to use them, the Grazing Rights would revert to the BLM and would be retired, while the Water Rights would revert to the State of Nevada, likely to be sold to the highest bidder (which would probably be a bidding war between mineral companies that are behind this action with the BLM and the City of Las Vegas which is thirsty for water and has had multiple attempts to buy water--through eminent domain from Utah farmers and ranchers--from Utah, which were all blocked by the Utah Legislature and Utah Governor Herbert). Chances are, the BLM has already filed a claim on the water rights so that they can sell to the highest bidder (instead of the state) and are trying to get the cattle off to show that Bundy cannot use the water beneficially (much like what the US Forest Service and BLM both tried to do to Wayne Hage). http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/fromaranchersmouth.html And this! About the "legal water rights" to the Bundy Ranch which the Bundys' hold legally! BLM Caught Illegally Destroying 100 Yr Old Water Tanks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYszv9-wMbs&feature=youtu.be If this is all true the BLM has FAR overstepped their legal authority in this action, and taken it to the point of criminal illegality! But the main point , the one Bundy has been making for some time, BLM does not own the land, the state of Nevada does, specifically Clark county. Bundy has offered to pay the county on numerous occasions. Now by operation of law, if he offers and they decline, all debt is cancelled and he owes nothing. You're wrong on one point here. He has ALWAYS paid state and local fees, but refuses to pay the govt fees on lands they don't "own", or maintain, but only manage a ledger on. Land his family has homesteaded, paid for, grazed on, and maintained for over 140 years. He hasn't paid state fee's since 1993. The state wouldn't take it because it's Federal land. |
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Things are heating up! I believe in a citizen militia, I also believe our govt is out of control and overstepping its authority. But this could spell disaster! To the govt who holds a hammer, everything is a nail, and like Waco, Ruby Ridge, Wounded Knee, Kent State and so many other occurrences, the govt can be expected to respond by inciting violence to justify deadly action! One can only hope the Sheriff and the Governor won't let it go that far...... but their actions so far (inaction by the sheriff, and only words from an absent from the scene politician [Governor]) don't give one much hope of the peaceful solution either of them could bring immediately if they would just stepped up to the plate and do their elected jobs! Armed Militia Groups Defend Rancher in Nevada http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfZj6f_luSE&feature=youtu.be Don't expect too much from the sheriff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS11ieRb1e4 Infowars Reporter Goes Off On Propaganda Information Officer Published on Apr 11, 2014 Infowars Reporters David Knight and Josh Owens went to the Clark County Sheriff's Office to get a statement on the current situation at the Bundy Ranch and find out if the Sheriff's Office knew about the Harry Reid/ Chinese solar farm. It seems as though Propaganda Information Officer, Jose Hernandez has yet to prepare his lies because he is on camera showing David Knight the door and he fails to answer any questions, which is his taxpayer funded job. Keep your public servants accountable. I doubt you will hear anything from our Governor, he is the only Republican I will never vote for again. He is a horrible POS. |
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