Really, more BS. Not a clue here of what "freedom" means except the "freedom" to dictate to another. The sign of the entitlement crowd, stop freedom and gimme, gimme, gimme.

Almost total BS, the only truth here is death is a god given right, the right to die if you are unwilling to live.

And you are absolutely incorrect. In the original document presented to the states for ratification, it was "Article the Fourth" and says, "infringed".

Thank you for not trying to rewrite our constitution, we like it the way it was originally written.



Well at least you got that part right.

There are no "Constitutional" rights, just privileges. But yes birth control and health care are rights, just not in the way the entitlement crowd thinks they are.

the stricter and the more gun prohibition laws there are the more
murders there will be by any means as most criminals will know
others have no way to defend themselves

Kungfooie welfare queens don't need guns.

True, their is enough "shooting" going on there already costing the people untold misery.

only gun control law that will work is mandatory carry for all eligable to run for a federal political office

and strict death penalty for those that use their weapons for other than protecting themselves or others

But what right gun control in the first place. It is forbidden by the constitution and has always been argued by the "Commerce Clause". However clarence Thomas offered a hint way back in 1997 as to gun control validity but no one has challenged using his reason:

Printz v. United States, 521 US 898 - Supreme Court 1997


Isn't it funny at how things totally unconstitutional never seem to find it's way to the Supreme Court just as Thomas here has declared. Is it not time for the people to declare it for them. Well it seems as that the second amendment just may get that chance in Connecticut.

in my opinion nearly every federal elected official should be tried
for treason for voting for unconstitutional legislation

Article III, Section 3

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."

18 U.S.C. � 2381 : US Code - Section 2381: Treason

"Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States."

18 U.S.C. � 2382 : US Code - Section 2382: Misprision of treason

"Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States and having knowledge of the commission of any treason against them, conceals and does not, as soon as may be, disclose and make known the same to the President or to some judge of the United States, or to the governor or to some judge or justice of a particular State, is guilty of misprision of treason and shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than seven years, or both."

18 U.S.C. � 2383 : US Code - Section 2383: Rebellion or insurrection

"Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States."

18 U.S.C. � 2384 : US Code - Section 2384: Seditious conspiracy

"If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both."

I'm sure that one of these codes could be applied to each of every one of them. However the first, Treason needs to be proved that they adhered to the enemy, but those can be hanged on the White House lawn.

But the question to be answered is: Just who or what is the United States?

It's exactly the same thing as talking about drivers licensing to drive vehicles on public roads.

Even with some degree of regulation, geared so that basically anyone no matter how irresponsible can get a license so long as they pretend to do what they're told as far as getting licensed. Even so the vast majority of drivers are incompetent imbeciles that shouldn't be allowed to drive and they're largely responsible for the road tolls, not speeders or hoons but idiots who can't handle responsibility and don't understand consideration or responsibility. They just weren't parented well enough to handle it and that's more than half the damn population.

But whoa, imagine if you no longer needed licenses or registration and anyone could drive anything anytime "because it's their constitutional right".
You'd have death traps instead of roads, with everything from intentional vehicular murders to careening idiots with no idea how to drive racing along at 170mph into school zones.

And that's what the situation is with gun control legislation. You need some regulation, there already is some degree of regulation, way too lax in the case of the US compared to every other, more evolved democracy on earth, but it is some regulation at least. It's just not enough.


The question isn't "should there be firearms regulation?", it is, "how much firearms legislation preserves the freedom of liberty for the community at large, meaning the liberty to keep breathing when some moron gets drunk and pulls his ready firearm because he's allowed to have it and be an idiot?"

It's about how much gun control. Not should there be gun control.

Silly twats.

And FYI crime figures reporting are non-sequiteur, not just because correlation does not infer cause, but because it is already shown in extensive publication that neither the availability of tools (like firearms) nor the severity of punishment, nor the effectiveness of policing in any way affects the core statistics of violent crime.

The singular factor which does directly correlate to violent crime statistics is socioeconomic status. It also contributes more severely towards health issues pro rata than smoking, the road toll and drug abuse: combined.

How you're treating your people as a community controls crime, health and average quality of life, not guns. Guns doesn't do anything for anything one way or another.
It just means a random idiot in a car park is more likely to be equipped with a firearm. A bad thing, not a good thing.

yep strict Guncontrol on Government,nothing less will do!

and a Licensed Driver under the Influence of Drugs and or Alcohol?
You just destroyed your own argument!

PS:"Sure glad you value your Life so little that you let Government proscribe you the means to defend it"!

and calling People names doesn't make your argument any better either!

This thread is a good example of the views of liberals who think they have the right to control the rights of others, ignore the rights given in the the US constitution, and think government is a cure for problems caused by unfit citizens who shouldn't be allowed to be citizens at all.

The Swiss used to have a policy of keeping an "assault rifle" in the homes of most all citizens and making sure they knew how to use it. They were expected to defend their county if needed.

I think all military and ex-military should be asked to carry a concealed weapon at all times (when they are off duty) unless they desire not to or are found mentally unsound. They are trained to defend our country and our citizens and I think it would go a long way to reduce violent crime.

There is a reason why felons are not allowed to vote.

Absolutely pure BS. Just a total mass of contradictions with no clear thoughts. Something cannot be black and white at the same time, impossible. And man cannot be free and a slave at the same time. There cannot be a free slave, a contradiction in terms, only a free man.

And to answer the question how much, absolutely none. I do not give away my private property to the state hence no registrations. I do not give away my right to travel, hence no license needed. And I am free to own any weapon available to my government except nukes due to their inherent ability to cause harm by just being there.

But then the people of some countries have surrendered their right to defend themselves and have just become the idiot victims they deserve to be.

What a rambling pile of gibberish. Sort of like the ramblings of one that has all the vaccinations, drinks heavily fluoridated water, eats the toothpaste, chewed on paint chips and likes the feel of biting on pieces of lead. And we all wonder just how some of the entitlement crowd got that way.

USED TO is right!