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Topic: Dr. Williams: "Black People Duped"
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Tue 03/04/14 01:39 AM
African-American economist Dr. Walter E. Williams has written a commentary titled "Black People Duped".

Here is a portion of his commentary:

Most of the problems faced by the black community have their roots in a black culture that differs significantly from the black culture of yesteryear. Today only 35 percent of black children are raised in two-parent households, but as far back as 1880, in Philadelphia, 75 percent of black children were raised in two-parent households -- and it was as high as 85 percent in other places. Even during slavery, in which marriage was forbidden, most black children were raised with two biological parents. The black family managed to survive several centuries of slavery and generations of the harshest racism and Jim Crow, to ultimately become destroyed by the welfare state. The black family has fallen victim to the vision fostered by some intellectuals that, in the words of a sociology professor in the 1960s, "it has yet to be shown that the absence of a father was directly responsible for any of the supposed deficiencies of broken homes." The real issue to these intellectuals "is not the lack of male presence but the lack of male income." That suggests that fathers can be replaced by a welfare check. The weakened black family gives rise to problems such has high crime, predation and other forms of anti-social behavior.

The cultural problems that affect many black people are challenging and not pleasant to talk about, but incorrectly attributing those problems to racism and racial discrimination, a need for more political power, and a need for greater public spending condemns millions of blacks to the degradation and despair of the welfare state.


I would add that it is not just black Americans who have been duped.

People in general are duped if they believe that more government regulation and higher taxation are cure-all remedies for life's unpleasantries.

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Tue 03/04/14 10:16 AM

African-American economist Dr. Walter E. Williams has written a commentary titled "Black People Duped".

Here is a portion of his commentary:

Most of the problems faced by the black community have their roots in a black culture that differs significantly from the black culture of yesteryear. Today only 35 percent of black children are raised in two-parent households, but as far back as 1880, in Philadelphia, 75 percent of black children were raised in two-parent households -- and it was as high as 85 percent in other places. Even during slavery, in which marriage was forbidden, most black children were raised with two biological parents. The black family managed to survive several centuries of slavery and generations of the harshest racism and Jim Crow, to ultimately become destroyed by the welfare state. The black family has fallen victim to the vision fostered by some intellectuals that, in the words of a sociology professor in the 1960s, "it has yet to be shown that the absence of a father was directly responsible for any of the supposed deficiencies of broken homes." The real issue to these intellectuals "is not the lack of male presence but the lack of male income." That suggests that fathers can be replaced by a welfare check. The weakened black family gives rise to problems such has high crime, predation and other forms of anti-social behavior.

The cultural problems that affect many black people are challenging and not pleasant to talk about, but incorrectly attributing those problems to racism and racial discrimination, a need for more political power, and a need for greater public spending condemns millions of blacks to the degradation and despair of the welfare state.


I would add that it is not just black Americans who have been duped.

People in general are duped if they believe that more government regulation and higher taxation are cure-all remedies for life's unpleasantries.


Government programs, food stamps, welfare and such are just band-aids placed on an open vein.

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Tue 03/04/14 10:56 AM

It amazes me to think anyone would believe government could solve any problem in the first place.

It's not their job to solve problems, that's up to the judicial branch (another failed branch in the last few decades) who is supposed to protect us from the infringements to our rights created by the other two branches.

They have taken on the task of creating problems, which they then try to convince us they must intervein in to repair, which only allows them to usurp more rights and freedoms of the people, and fixes nothing..... only makes it worse!

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Tue 03/04/14 11:10 AM

African-American economist Dr. Walter E. Williams has written a commentary titled "Black People Duped".

Here is a portion of his commentary:

Most of the problems faced by the black community have their roots in a black culture that differs significantly from the black culture of yesteryear. Today only 35 percent of black children are raised in two-parent households, but as far back as 1880, in Philadelphia, 75 percent of black children were raised in two-parent households -- and it was as high as 85 percent in other places. Even during slavery, in which marriage was forbidden, most black children were raised with two biological parents. The black family managed to survive several centuries of slavery and generations of the harshest racism and Jim Crow, to ultimately become destroyed by the welfare state. The black family has fallen victim to the vision fostered by some intellectuals that, in the words of a sociology professor in the 1960s, "it has yet to be shown that the absence of a father was directly responsible for any of the supposed deficiencies of broken homes." The real issue to these intellectuals "is not the lack of male presence but the lack of male income." That suggests that fathers can be replaced by a welfare check. The weakened black family gives rise to problems such has high crime, predation and other forms of anti-social behavior.

The cultural problems that affect many black people are challenging and not pleasant to talk about, but incorrectly attributing those problems to racism and racial discrimination, a need for more political power, and a need for greater public spending condemns millions of blacks to the degradation and despair of the welfare state.


I would add that it is not just black Americans who have been duped.

People in general are duped if they believe that more government regulation and higher taxation are cure-all remedies for life's unpleasantries.


there are other correlations to that time period, beyond welfare

welfare, as we know and complain about it, was begun in 1935, yet 25 years later, single parent households were still at a low of 22 percent

other things that happened during the time 'single parents' rose in the black community

women gained rights and entered the work force
black women begun having better chance at employment than black men
black women began to become more accepting of abortion
black women began to be less accepting of marriage where their man could not provide or needed to be provided for


,,all these things , including welfare, are more tied to the state of the ECONOMY and the CUlTURE,,,

rather than the other way around,,

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Tue 03/04/14 11:33 AM


black women began to be less accepting of marriage where their man could not provide or needed to be provided for

Yet, they continue to spread their legs and pump out more ghetto rats they can't afford to care for without taxpayers bailing their irresponsible ***** out.


Blah, blah, blah, there are fewer kids born today. 1,000,000 ghetto rats dumped last year, 999,000 this year.

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Tue 03/04/14 11:43 AM
women gained rights and entered the work force
black women begun having better chance at employment than black men
black women began to become more accepting of abortion
black women began to be less accepting of marriage where their man could not provide or needed to be provided for


,,all these things , including welfare, are more tied to the state of the ECONOMY and the CUlTURE,,,

rather than the other way around,,


These are things that you believe or are facts?

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Tue 03/04/14 12:07 PM
"Government is a disease masquerading as its own cure." --Robert LeFevre

msharmony's photo
Tue 03/04/14 12:41 PM



black women began to be less accepting of marriage where their man could not provide or needed to be provided for

Yet, they continue to spread their legs and pump out more ghetto rats they can't afford to care for without taxpayers bailing their irresponsible ***** out.


Blah, blah, blah, there are fewer kids born today. 1,000,000 ghetto rats dumped last year, 999,000 this year.


the black and white fertility rates are pretty equivalent actually

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States

so the myth of the promiscuous black female can go ahead and die already,,lol

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Tue 03/04/14 12:47 PM


so the myth of the promiscuous black female can go ahead and die already,,lol


Myth, what myth?

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Tue 03/04/14 01:07 PM




black women began to be less accepting of marriage where their man could not provide or needed to be provided for

Yet, they continue to spread their legs and pump out more ghetto rats they can't afford to care for without taxpayers bailing their irresponsible ***** out.


Blah, blah, blah, there are fewer kids born today. 1,000,000 ghetto rats dumped last year, 999,000 this year.


the black and white fertility rates are pretty equivalent actually

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States

so the myth of the promiscuous black female can go ahead and die already,,lol

Ghetto rats come in all colors.

The rate of Ghetto hos pumping out rats they can't afford to raise is much higher than responsible peeps give birth to.

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Tue 03/04/14 01:11 PM





black women began to be less accepting of marriage where their man could not provide or needed to be provided for

Yet, they continue to spread their legs and pump out more ghetto rats they can't afford to care for without taxpayers bailing their irresponsible ***** out.


Blah, blah, blah, there are fewer kids born today. 1,000,000 ghetto rats dumped last year, 999,000 this year.


the black and white fertility rates are pretty equivalent actually

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States

so the myth of the promiscuous black female can go ahead and die already,,lol

Ghetto rats come in all colors.

The rate of Ghetto hos pumping out rats they can't afford to raise is much higher than responsible peeps give birth to.


Yep, entitlement know no color but green, the green stolen from others.

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Tue 03/04/14 02:01 PM

women gained rights and entered the work force
black women begun having better chance at employment than black men
black women began to become more accepting of abortion
black women began to be less accepting of marriage where their man could not provide or needed to be provided for


,,all these things , including welfare, are more tied to the state of the ECONOMY and the CUlTURE,,,

rather than the other way around,,


These are things that you believe or are facts?


easily researched

ADC established in 1935

http://www.policyalmanac.org/social_welfare/welfare.shtml


in 1940 the 'illegitimacy' rate for black children was 19 percent

by 1965,, 25 years later, there was only an in crease of 6 percent

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_matriarchy


during the same times, civil rights act made more jobs open to women

http://www.thelaborsite.com/women1.cfm



fewer black women choosing marriage

[img ]http://cdn.static-economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/290-width/images/print-edition/20111015_USC773.gif

msharmony's photo
Tue 03/04/14 02:04 PM





black women began to be less accepting of marriage where their man could not provide or needed to be provided for

Yet, they continue to spread their legs and pump out more ghetto rats they can't afford to care for without taxpayers bailing their irresponsible ***** out.


Blah, blah, blah, there are fewer kids born today. 1,000,000 ghetto rats dumped last year, 999,000 this year.


the black and white fertility rates are pretty equivalent actually

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States

so the myth of the promiscuous black female can go ahead and die already,,lol

Ghetto rats come in all colors.

The rate of Ghetto hos pumping out rats they can't afford to raise is much higher than responsible peeps give birth to.



regurgitating the same bigoted myths about the character of those needing assistance huh?

whoa



According to a 2010 report released by the federal Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), the average family receiving TANF benefits has 1.8 children, which is about the same as the national average. Half of the families receiving TANF benefits only have one child. In fact, the average size of families receiving welfare benefits has declined from 4.0 in 1969 to 2.4 in 2010.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States

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Tue 03/04/14 02:33 PM
Edited by alnewman on Tue 03/04/14 02:34 PM






black women began to be less accepting of marriage where their man could not provide or needed to be provided for

Yet, they continue to spread their legs and pump out more ghetto rats they can't afford to care for without taxpayers bailing their irresponsible ***** out.


Blah, blah, blah, there are fewer kids born today. 1,000,000 ghetto rats dumped last year, 999,000 this year.


the black and white fertility rates are pretty equivalent actually

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States

so the myth of the promiscuous black female can go ahead and die already,,lol

Ghetto rats come in all colors.

The rate of Ghetto hos pumping out rats they can't afford to raise is much higher than responsible peeps give birth to.



regurgitating the same bigoted myths about the character of those needing assistance huh?

whoa



According to a 2010 report released by the federal Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), the average family receiving TANF benefits has 1.8 children, which is about the same as the national average. Half of the families receiving TANF benefits only have one child. In fact, the average size of families receiving welfare benefits has declined from 4.0 in 1969 to 2.4 in 2010.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States


Really, from your source....

"In 2009, Time magazine reported that 40% of births were to unmarried women.[101] The following is a breakdown by race for unwed births: 17% Asian, 29% White, 53% Hispanics, 66% Native Americans, and 72% African American."

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Tue 03/04/14 03:16 PM


women gained rights and entered the work force
black women begun having better chance at employment than black men
black women began to become more accepting of abortion
black women began to be less accepting of marriage where their man could not provide or needed to be provided for


,,all these things , including welfare, are more tied to the state of the ECONOMY and the CUlTURE,,,

rather than the other way around,,


These are things that you believe or are facts?


easily researched

ADC established in 1935

http://www.policyalmanac.org/social_welfare/welfare.shtml


in 1940 the 'illegitimacy' rate for black children was 19 percent

by 1965,, 25 years later, there was only an in crease of 6 percent

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_matriarchy


during the same times, civil rights act made more jobs open to women

http://www.thelaborsite.com/women1.cfm



fewer black women choosing marriage

[img ]http://cdn.static-economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/290-width/images/print-edition/20111015_USC773.gif



You spend to much time on the computer.:tongue:

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Tue 03/04/14 03:36 PM
Edited by msharmony on Tue 03/04/14 03:38 PM







black women began to be less accepting of marriage where their man could not provide or needed to be provided for

Yet, they continue to spread their legs and pump out more ghetto rats they can't afford to care for without taxpayers bailing their irresponsible ***** out.


Blah, blah, blah, there are fewer kids born today. 1,000,000 ghetto rats dumped last year, 999,000 this year.


the black and white fertility rates are pretty equivalent actually

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States

so the myth of the promiscuous black female can go ahead and die already,,lol

Ghetto rats come in all colors.

The rate of Ghetto hos pumping out rats they can't afford to raise is much higher than responsible peeps give birth to.



regurgitating the same bigoted myths about the character of those needing assistance huh?

whoa



According to a 2010 report released by the federal Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), the average family receiving TANF benefits has 1.8 children, which is about the same as the national average. Half of the families receiving TANF benefits only have one child. In fact, the average size of families receiving welfare benefits has declined from 4.0 in 1969 to 2.4 in 2010.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States


Really, from your source....

"In 2009, Time magazine reported that 40% of births were to unmarried women.[101] The following is a breakdown by race for unwed births: 17% Asian, 29% White, 53% Hispanics, 66% Native Americans, and 72% African American."


and what has that to do with promiscuity?

or my point that women on welfare are having babies at about the same rate as women in general?

not that 'having babies' is an indication of promiscuity, with their being birth control and abortions and all,,,


but certainly calling for BS on anyone claiming that there is more 'promiscuity' amongs black women as there is no data to support the claim

msharmony's photo
Tue 03/04/14 03:37 PM
Edited by msharmony on Tue 03/04/14 03:40 PM



women gained rights and entered the work force
black women begun having better chance at employment than black men
black women began to become more accepting of abortion
black women began to be less accepting of marriage where their man could not provide or needed to be provided for


,,all these things , including welfare, are more tied to the state of the ECONOMY and the CUlTURE,,,

rather than the other way around,,


These are things that you believe or are facts?


easily researched

ADC established in 1935

http://www.policyalmanac.org/social_welfare/welfare.shtml


in 1940 the 'illegitimacy' rate for black children was 19 percent

by 1965,, 25 years later, there was only an in crease of 6 percent

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_matriarchy


during the same times, civil rights act made more jobs open to women

http://www.thelaborsite.com/women1.cfm



fewer black women choosing marriage

[img ]http://cdn.static-economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/290-width/images/print-edition/20111015_USC773.gif



You spend to much time on the computer.:tongue:


I know this, its about to change as I readjust a few things in my environment,,,:wink:

alot of what I do is online, once it picks up and becomes self run, I wont need to be on as much

Dodo_David's photo
Tue 03/04/14 04:03 PM
In his commentary, Dr. Williams says nothing about sexual promiscuity. Instead, he talks about the lack of two-parent households. The marital status of the parents is irrelevant.

willing2's photo
Tue 03/04/14 04:04 PM




women gained rights and entered the work force
black women begun having better chance at employment than black men
black women began to become more accepting of abortion
black women began to be less accepting of marriage where their man could not provide or needed to be provided for


,,all these things , including welfare, are more tied to the state of the ECONOMY and the CUlTURE,,,

rather than the other way around,,


These are things that you believe or are facts?


easily researched

ADC established in 1935

http://www.policyalmanac.org/social_welfare/welfare.shtml


in 1940 the 'illegitimacy' rate for black children was 19 percent

by 1965,, 25 years later, there was only an in crease of 6 percent

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_matriarchy


during the same times, civil rights act made more jobs open to women

http://www.thelaborsite.com/women1.cfm



fewer black women choosing marriage

[img ]http://cdn.static-economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/290-width/images/print-edition/20111015_USC773.gif



You spend to much time on the computer.:tongue:


I know this, its about to change as I readjust a few things in my environment,,,:wink:

alot of what I do is online, once it picks up and becomes self run, I wont need to be on as much


Noted and dated.

My ghetto ho reference is aimed at the group of can-but-won't.

They can but the ride and fraud works so smoothly, they refuse to do the responsible thing.

I celebrate those who are doing and getting help.

They are assets to our society. leeches and parasites are stanky and the Taxpayer needs to demand a cure.

Dodo_David's photo
Tue 03/04/14 04:09 PM
Thus far, nobody has refuted anything that Dr. Williams says in the commentary that I quoted.

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