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dont want any typos in my retorts

lizardking19,

Your opinion isn't proof. How about a link?

as I understand it koyoto allowed the worst polluters, the developing countires, to continue polluting while it put excessive restraints on countires like the U.S. Sorry voileazure your socialistic approach won't work here everybody has to cut pollution to the same level regardless of their economic status.

LizardKing19,

"although older people such as your self and the people on the hill dont care because they will have all died of heart attacks due their massive consumption of processed foods from factories which produce the chemicals that cause global warming, while people my age will freeze to death because lets get this out there THE VAST MAJORITY OF OLD PEOPLE DONT CARE ABOUT THE YOUNGER GENERATION DYING DUE TO THEIR CARELESSNESS "

I have kids who are younger than you. I would kill or die for them, so why would I support a position if I believe it would endanger them? Why don't you stick to the subject instead of trying to make people cry for your incredible suffering of being the first teenager ever. Also, most of your post was an Appeal to Emotion, which is a logical fallacy usually resevered for women, so perhaps you should take some midol and eat some Ben and Jerry's.

U want links HERE:

New global warming evidence presented Scientists say their observations prove industry is to blame.
sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/02/1... [Found on Google, Windows Live]
2. Global Warming Effects
Understand the effects of global warming and what you can do.
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3. Global Warming: The Evidence
Evidence of Global Warming. If the voices of future generations could be heard, they would plead for action on climate change. ...
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4. Articles / Impact / Evidence for Global Warming - Institute for ...
The global warming issue will not go away. Evidence continues to mount that some type of warming is occurring, maybe temporarily or of longer duration. ...
www.icr.org/article/3233/ [Found on Google, Windows Live, Yahoo! Search]
5. Impact Global Warming
Invest in a Greener World. Spectra Green Fund. No Load.
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6. Global Warming - Scientist Denounces TV Ads for Deliberately Misleading Public on ...
A senior scientist whose research is being cited in television ads that challenge the reality of global warming has denounced the ads as a Â?deliberate effort to confuse and mislead the pub...
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7. Global Warming
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8. Global Warming
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Other evidence of the reality of global warming continues to accumulate. Consistent with predictions of the IPCC since 1990, global average temperatures ...
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13. ABC News: Evidence of Global Warming Around the Globe
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Very nice links to support your opinions Lizard....

On Kyoto... US and Australia(not in the best interest of the country the prime minister - but then how many people living in AU are truly happy with the government anyhoo) both declined to step up and US is responsible for 25% of most emission pollutions states many 'studies',and no, going off memory rather than a link.

In my "opinion" Asia would actually be at the top of the list though (as Gardenforge mentioned) AND there are too many in DC that have their drawers dropped and being run by big corporations who are the guilty offenders...

Need to start focusing on renewable sources like solar, wind and geothermal rather than being dependent on pumping the blue marble dry. You can only tap so long.... and yeah our kids may not see the effects... but kinda makes me scratch my head knowing that 20 years when I lived up in Alaska, the glaciers once mammoth and daunting now resemble mere cubes in a glass of watered down BS

Ice shelves breaking away... Larsen B targeted in the movie sure, but it happened...same time B-22 shelf broke away...now Larsen C is projected next or maybe even Ross...and that won't be computer animated... that would be actual rise in sea levels.

Here is an interesting link: http://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/~tk/manuscripts/IWTC_Statement.pdf
Hurricane frequency over this warming trend...

Facts are facts.... I guess we need to look in the mirror and see what we are personally doing in our own backyards to make a difference... but some... okay alot... just don't really care...

Hmmmm.... Wonder if Mother Earth will wake up one day with that same ignorant attitude and open a can of whoop arse on us all??

>most of your post was an Appeal to Emotion, which is a logical fallacy usually resevered for women, so perhaps you should take some midol and eat some Ben and Jerry's.



ouch

hes a fascist christian and ive been arguing with him constantly since i joined this site

I would be interested to see some documentation on the fact that the U.S. produces 25% of the global pollution. The fact is the burning coal mines in China alone put out more pollution that the U.S. and the farts from wildlife contribute more greenhouse gases than all the power plants in the U.S. Yet people continue to blame "big business" and corrupt politicians for the problem.

If the ship has a gaping hole in it's side and calking the pinholes won't help.

There has to be an established standard for the whole world and the whole world has to comply with that standard or the whole world will suffer the consequences.

Granted that compliance would put more hardship on developing countires but the industrialized nations are be in a better position to help them out now than in years to come when their resources are strapped to the limit.

If we wait long enough, Mother Nature will make the necessary adjustment and that adjustment will be felt the hardest by the developing nations because they will be the ones with the greatest population and the fewest resources to fall back upon.

well the very big hole(s) in the ozone were actually created many years ago when the whole world was using coal, it is expanding due to the continued (though lessened) use of coal, greenhouse gases (including automobiles) , and plane emmissions though with the planes we found that after 9-11 when they were grounded uv radiation increased even if the temperature was less hot because while they do trap heat on the planet they also (somewhat) shield us from uv
There are many causes but the massive amount C02 from gas powered cars are probably one of the worst
But tell that to people like spidr and they just call u loony lefty and make fun of u and drive off in their suvs to play golf (sigh)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/sci_tech/2001/climate_change/china.stm

source: http://unfccc.int/2860.php

Big Business and corrupt polititians do exist hand in hand and it is time the blinders some off, but Americans don't believe their votes count and they have no say... so the cycle continues...

I give those developing countries a high five at least they are making attempts to make a difference, not letting laws, bills slide under piles of red tape so pretty soon the public forgets what Kyoto was aiming for initially...

Well we have already seen the impact Mother Nature has done and she is just getting warmed up....

No worries on being called for what you believe in there Lizard ...hold your ground... and your beliefs and stay focused....

Humans cause 5.53% of Global warming.

http://mysite.verizon.net/mhieb/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html

Aliens cause Global Warming
http://www.s8int.com/crichton.html

Great site, lots of links...
http://www.globalwarminghoax.com/news.php

Record High Antarctic Ice Levels Ignored by Media
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/09/12/record-antarctic-ice-levels-ignored-media

The Global Warming Hoax
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID={5280BFC4-2D30-4593-93F4-6FA3EED15521}

Chill out over global warming
http://www.denverpost.com/harsanyi/ci_3899807

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One year ago, we all lived in fear of "Bird Flu"

Thirty years ago, we lived in fear of Global Cooling

Ninety years ago, we lived in fear of Global Warming.

There is always something scary around the corner, but every time we turn the corner, nothing is there. There is no boogey man, call him "Bird Flu", "Global Cooling", "Global Warming", whatever. It's all fearmongering to sell papers and make unscrupulous scientists feel self important.

If half the posters took ten minutes away from running around looking for supporting links to their arguments...and went outside, or switched off a light in the room they aren't in...

actually looked at this earth of finite resources, and maybe took the canvas bag to the store, and walked home...we wouldn't need these ridiculous absolutes.

Whether man has contributed to Global warming, cooling, bird flu, horse flu, dog flu, or iguana flu....this is a globe of finite resources....and there is a reduction in health of the planet, through insatiable human hungers...be it for profit, for food, for profit, for greed...irelevant....

this is not a cess pool...it's the only home we have.

a fascist christian?
dude u gotta do something

Spider-

Of course the media dramatizes everything. Apparently, that is what most people want becauces they watch more dramatic news more and thus we receive more and more dramatic news...

I am sick of hearing about how a germ on my kitchen countertop may cause me to drop dead at any moment... Bird flu, the Y2K bug, yes the media does overstate the dangers of many things to get peoples attention and I wish they wouldn't so I don't watch the news on television or video clips on the net anymore.

But that doesn't mean that NOTHING is actually happening that warrents our attention and action. I know you don't think that.

Yes, only a small percentage of the greenhouse gases in our atmostphere are anthropogenic. That's true. But we have seen many times how a relatively "small" change by man has resulted in unforeseen and unwelcome changes in our ecosystems.

It only took a couple of rabbits to seriously disturb Australia's ecology. It only took a couple of fruit flys to ruin Floridas citrus crops, one imported parasitic plant (Kudzu) is now choking out mature forests...cheat grass was imported by amn from asia and invaded the western states- now there are fires once or twice a year where in the past there were only fires every 20 or 30 years....there are examples too numerous to list...

Our actions have consequences. What's so horrible about trying to use less energy and resources anyway? Is this somehow a problem for you?

The #1 cause of global warming:

Wait for it...

Cow farts!

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/GlobalWarming/story?id=2723201

So what does that mean?

Everyone has to become vegetarians
to combat global warming?

anoasis,

The solution to mankinds contributions to global warming is improved technology with an eye towards cleaner technology. The solution isn't to stop people from driving to work, because of the fumes from their vehicle. The solution should be perfecting the hydrogen cell, cold fusion or a similar technology to produce abundant clean energy. I'm standing up for the truth, that hard science shows that humans have only a small effect on Global Warming.

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Our actions have consequences. What's so horrible about trying to use less energy and resources anyway? Is this somehow a problem for you?

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Have I suggested that is was a problem for me? No, because it's not. What I do care about is the truth and when someone says "Humans are causing global warming.", I'm going to put the OTHER side of the argument on the table. If I posted a thread about creationism, you can be sure evolutionists would have their say. So if someone posts a thread about manmade global warming, I will present the other side. Nothing sinister...no problem with saving resources, just an interest in providing both sides of the argument.

I do find it ironic that the very government which so revels in fearmongering continues to deny global warming

I can't read your writing dude.

mnhiker,

The number one cause of Global Warming is the ocean. Water vapor is the single most prominate global warming gas.