Anonymous author:

"��Socialism:

You have two cows, you give one to your neighbor. Your neighbor has four kids. The cows are sufficient to feed each of your families. A third new family moves into the neighborhood. The families decide it is only fair to share the supply of milk with the new neighbors as well, who also have four kids and no cow. The community grows, as people hear of the free milk being distributed. Families grow concerned about a potential shortage of milk. The need for milk drives people to trade other things they have to get access to milk. The "��price" of the free milk starts rising. The community decides this is greedy, and bans the trading of milk, as it is a fact that trading things is greedy and immoral and giving and sharing is the only moral way to act . Homes get sacked for whatever milk they have, nobody knows who did it. A few organized men take a stand, pitchforks in hand, and say they can solve the issue and stop the violence and greed. They call for an election to govern. They are elected for an indefinite term with 100% of the votes. Those who did not vote for them do not understand. The elected men call themselves the "Council of the people"��. People who protest mysteriously disappear. The council confiscates the two cows in the interest of the people and ration the supply of milk in the interest of the people. The council denounces the fake reports of families starving, and moves to a shiny gold-plated palace. No one knows how they were able to afford it. A few clever men bring milk from the capitalist neighborhood nearby, which by this time has built a massive wall around its neighborhood, and which has plenty of very cheap milk supply, given the profitable investments in innovative production methods. These clever men sell it in the black market in their neighborhood. The council hunts them down, claiming these men are selfish greedy bastards and kills them. Everyone who is not a victim of starvation or murder tries to flee the neighborhood and illegally immigrate to the capitalist neighborhood so they can have cheap milk and an iphone. The council decides people leaving will destroy their perfection of balance and decides to arrest anyone caught trying to leave for the crime of greed. The capitalist neighborhood nearby arrests and deports anyone caught trying to illegally immigrate. One well-fed family from the capitalist neighborhood, driven by their will to be fair and live for others, take their two iphones and two cows, and move to a new land where they create a new "greed-free socialist society"��. A short time after arrival, they give one cow and one iphone to their new neighbors. The new neighbors have four kids and no cows or iphones. Aliens decide the human race will never learn and put an end to their experiment, killing everyone on earth.

The end."

How small minded do you have to be not to realize that any domestic and economic system is really good administrated by qualified, ethical people and really bad administrated by unqualified, selfish people?

Half of democratic Europe and half the Australian bipartisan parliament is a socialist institution. They work just fine.

The issues, same as capitalist issues are all about preserving individual rights in the face of community and governing rights. Socialism, as a purely economic system has nothing to do with that, it's all about political representation for those concerned about individual rights and a lobby for them to make grievances not only heard, but a legal responsibility of the government to address them.

Socialist and capitalist governments have failed on that regard, it's what political reform is all about.

This "capitalism vs socialism" knee jerk american rednecks get into is nothing more than sports spectating as if you're at a game. You boo the other team and cheer yours, but it's not like you're the one down there actually playing ball and those two teams probably get along a lot better than you and their supporters do in the crowd stalls. It's all just kind of childish, and nothing to do with reality.

deep vana, I agree, its not the system but the INDIVIDUALS in charge and how they USE it,,,

ad how the CULTURE embraces or fights it,,,

I do wish this had stayed in the joke thread,, as we really don't need another back and forth name calling thread,, but here we go,,

Now you only need to tell us where there was ever a Capitalist-System in place!
What you are talking about is Fascism,Crony-""Capitalism"",any sundry Statist-System!
Capitalism by it's very nature ceases to exist once the State puts its grubby Fingers on it!
All you see around the world today are various Statist/Collectivist Systems,of every political Hue possible!
One thing you won't see is Capitalism,a Free Market without Political Interference,and all the Big Words and Insults won't change that!

Ayn Rand
Wealth, in a free market, is achieved by a free, general, democratic vote by the sales and the purchases of every individual who takes part in the economic life of the country. Whenever you buy one product rather than another, you are voting for the success of some manufacturer. And, in this type of voting, every man votes only on those matters which he is qualified to judge: on his own preferences, interests, and needs. No one has the power to decide for others or to substitute his judgment for theirs; no one has the power to appoint himself the voice of the public and to leave the public voiceless and disfranchised. | Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal


Afraid to stand on your own?

Judging from the response to the original Post,it must have found the Mark!

The whole of politics should be in the joke section under todays realities under this admin..... if it wasn't so deadly serious in its impact

From what I reading, really, really small.



Sure they do, the land of the sheeple. Hey in the farmlands of Australia, how do you tell the sheep from the sheeple, sheep make for good mutton stew.



Yep things are so good in the land down under:


"Australia Gun Control - Big Failure

Because of the changes made to the gun control laws in 1997, gun owners in Australia were forced to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed, a program costing the government more than $500 million dollars. And now the results are in. After 12 months of banning firearms:

Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent;

Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent;

Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent).

Hot Burglaries are up 300% (where the intruders come in while you are home and knows that you are home).

In the state of Victoria, homicides with firearms are up 300 percent.

Figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms (but increased drastically in the past 12 months). There has been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly. Australian politicians are on the spot and at a loss to explain how no improvement in "safety" has been served after such monumental effort and expense was successfully expended in "ridding society of guns." Their response has been to "wait longer".

Their suggestion to citizens has been to build a fortified room in their house, so that when a burglar enters their home, the homeowners may lock themselves in that room while the burglar takes what he wants from their house.

At the time of the ban, the Prime Minister said, "self-defense is not a reason for owning a firearm."

It's time to state it plainly: Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws only affect the law-abiding citizens. Preventing law-abiding citizens from carrying firearms for self-defense does not end violent crime - it just makes victims more vulnerable! Society benefits from ordinary people who accept the responsibilities of firearm ownership - not from gun-control laws."

Oh yes, "...administrated by qualified, ethical people..."

But embracing an idiot in one government against embracing an idiot in another government naught changes anything, anything outside a just government is run by idiots for idiots over idiots.

There are still small pockets of capitalism remaining, those that barter outside of government interference. Here in the US, some where trading in silver but where raided by the government for counterfeiting. (Would that be because of the base "feit" in counterfeiting instead of "fiat"?). Anyway....

Article 1, Section 8, Clause 5

"To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;"

Article 1, Section 10, Clause 1

"No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility."

Imagine, by what right would these people think they could get away with using silver.