Prohibiting worship of "graven images" and "taking the lord's name in vain" seem contrary to the freedom of freedom of religion and freedom of speech.

Prohibiting "Coveting" (defined as: to strongly want something that someone else has) anyone's mate or possessions is a violation of individual freedom to want something (provided that no criminal act ensues). It is also irrational and unrealistic – providing that it is a thought, not an action.

As long as those are self-imposed sanctions, there is no objection. However, if they are imposed upon others without their consent, there IS objection.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/01/14/most-of-the-10-commandments-violate-u-s-constitution-atheists-say-in-oklahoma-suit/

no,unless they become the Law of the Land!

whatever we do requires our choice and consent

only things others do to us could possibly skip those steps,,,

what about if I have a church and I need a secretary and my belief is homosexuality is dead wrong. Should the Govt. make me hire a gay person and have to watch what I say or do because this employee may see this as discrimination. Now this has happened many times.

Believers are the ones being forced legalized discrimination against churches against businesses against individuals. yet u will say that's ok. That's called Legalized discrimination forced upon us by our own Govt.

I Am no proponent of homosexuality,, however,

I would much rather see peoples sexual preferences be a private matter that they leave at home,, we don't go to work to have sex so why should anyone need to know our preferences?

none of my employers knew the kind of stuff I like,,,,lol


just my thought,,,

get in trouble if I say what the bible says but

yes but they don't. they want u to know. their proud of being gay. that's their right but to flaunt it like they do is problems and no church should have to be forced to do such a thing or possibly be shut down. who's discriminated against?

Shalom Miles, It's been a long time. If the Church has legally declared it's religious standing, by becoming a non-profit organization, then they have the right to discriminate in certain practices, such as hiring. Notice the Catholic has not female priests or male nuns. Many parochial Schools have fired teachers for being gay and sometimes (in the case of one of my relatives) they are fired simply for supporting something like gay marriage.

Now, when a huge non-profit organization, such as a hospital, has an open door policy in accepting both, clients and employees from the general population, then (in my opinion) they don't have the right to enforce the personal beliefs of the hierarchy on those people.

I believe that is what you are referring to and that is still being battled out on that big hill with white palace with any number of revolving doors.

Shalom my friend, may this new year be filled with joy.

Indeed. The commandments of the Decalogue (Exodus 20) are not the law of the land in the USA.

So this thread's title is rendered moot.

By the way, there are more than 10 commandments in the Tanakh.

Discriminated,shutdown WHAT?
Right now Churches enjoy favorite status which actually is unconstitutional!

The founding fathers of USA were not fools to have made God and the commandments their pillars in building that great nation.

In my view, the Founding Fathers were very wise to NOT make any of the "gods" or their supposed pronouncements a part of the foundation documents of the nation -- or give any religion state-favored status.

there is not a favoring of any religion over another, as all religious institutions are treated with the same protection from being prohibited,,,

so its not so clearly unconstitutional,,,


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof




to keep churches or aynagogues or mosques from exercising their standards WITHIN their synagogues or halls, or churches or mosques, or halls,,,etc,,,would be a prohibition of free exercise

no they dont. They do not create a national relegion so no it dosent read the constitution you morons and youll understand

Nonsense!
No such thing,except in your Brain!
You really ought to do your research before making statements like that!

many of those men were Christians but didn't want to force Christianity on everyone,,,

they wanted a nation where people could worship or not worship as they please,,,, under God was written in later, and I honestly think that it makes 'God' a general term so as not to reference any specific deity people might worship

God said have no Gods before me,, it commands a specific God to be worshipped,,, so the bible automatically is not the basis for our Constition


however, like any written works, we can study and study and we will find both similarity and difference

much of the commandments, like not stealing or killing or committing adultery,, have been written into mans laws

others, like honoring parents or coveting what isn't ours to covet,,, are matters of individual freedom to many and therefore an issue of a 'human right'

people have laws wherever we go, religious books have their laws, and we are bound to be able to find them both similar and different depending upon what we are looking for

Those "Commandments" go back to the Code of Hammurabi,and apparently he didn't originate them!
Got them from an earlier Code!

as stated, laws will have similarities and differences, depending upon what we look for,,,

Shalom Red.

I agree on health care and all those things because we have a right to those things. I do believe that the gay community could be a little more compassionate themselves. Their are plenty of Hosp. to go to.. You do not need to go to a catholic hosp or Jewish for something they disagree with in their beliefs. When these Hospitals opened it was for the good of the people and to show their faith by action.

Employers that have say a Board of Directors a publicly traded company. No I believe they can not refuse anyone its a company and a company is not a church or individual.

Churches and solely owned companies I believe have a right to follow their beliefs without any resource.

I believe in these trying times we could all be more compassionate to everyone. I believe IMO that the gay communities go out of their way to cause problems when a church or whatever business to say " You will do as I say" and the news gets ahold of it and the next thing you know we are having protests ect and all this is hurting our economy and our love for one another. We should not bother each other if we can not get along. love one another comes in many forms. Take care Red always Glad to see you Shalom

churches have had to hire gay people in protest. But for 1 reason only. They have become a 501c not for profit organization which gives the govt. oversite for that tax break for its members.

Favorite status exactly what is that? 501c is 501c no matter what.

Personally I believe ALL churches should give up their 501c tax status. If a member to give to a church needs a tax break well their heart is no in the right place. I do not believe in any govt. involvement. Then u can do as u wish u r a private club as far as the govt. is involved. The country club people pay dues and its private (alot r). basically the same thing. To me a lot of these policies could go away if charitable giving for a tax break would go away. 1 thing for sure we would have way more tax money coming in. If u need a tax break to give just don't give

you say u are a Physist. ( see I can't spell either) I have no reason to doubt you. Your not the only person in the world trained with NASA.

You are not a Religious scholar. I have studied 1 book more than my job and I was very good at it. I have studied the Bible for 35 years at least. 1 book wanting my own conclusions. I have traveled all over the country talking to churches on my own dime my own vacation. The Bible is not something you read and just say oh this is what it means. Its no different than say your job. Living what you have studied comes full circle around that ojt and experience living it shows you so much more than just studying. Like I had a guy in my field who was the 1st person to ever ace the whole course. But on the job he had no common sence. You have to live what u believe to know what it really is. No book will ever take you their. Just guide you in the right direction. why the hostilities towards me I do not know. But my dad told me something and I have always remembered because if I forgot I remembered real quick.

That is most people who have to cuss do not have the vocabulary to use a descent word. f this and f that .. how many teenagers have we heard that from. what do u think as an adult when you here a child speak such things? It's not good.. Shalom and May Yahweh's Shalom Be Upon You