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Any other Catholic lads struggle to accept what they are and what they want?
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Any other Catholic lads struggle to accept what they are and what they want? I don't know any Catholics that do, but I know a large number of mormons who do. Honestly, I don't think there's anything wrong with those feelings. More importantly and relevantly, I don't think there's anything wrong with the full expression of those feelings in the bonds of matrimony. How can it be wrong for two people with genuine love for another to express that love physically? |
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Edited by
Toks88
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Any other Catholic lads struggle to accept what they are and what they want? I don't know any Catholics that do, but I know a large number of mormons who do. Honestly, I don't think there's anything wrong with those feelings. More importantly and relevantly, I don't think there's anything wrong with the full expression of those feelings in the bonds of matrimony. How can it be wrong for two people with genuine love for another to express that love physically? Mark_the_Man, it is very wrong to have those feelings and it is not a genuine love. I remembered when I was struggling with sexual immorality (masturbation) for years. I became born again and I could'nt stop it. Then I was asking questions and most answers I received are "it does not matter what you pass through, God sees your heart." Until I stretched my body, my soul, and my spirit fasting and praying, reading the Bible just to terminate that false pleasure of sexual immorality. I talked to God about it seriously and God saw my heart and intervened and God granted me a genuine salvation for seeking the face of Jesus Christ who died to set me free from sin and to bring me into an eternal place of salvation to wine and sup with Him. If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land - (2 Chronicles 7:14). There is no way one can quench those false feelings we call love if not through JESUS CHRIST!!! Seek JESUS and He'll take away those devll's properties and give you His own heart and genuine love. Embrace JESUS CHRIST! |
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PaddyJ29,
Repent and Accept JESUS CHRIST as your LORD & personal SAVIOUR and pray seriously about those feelings. Study your Bible. And your life will not remain thesame. YOU WILL BEGIN EXPERIENCE GENUINE LOVE OF GOD. Amen!!! |
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Any other Catholic lads struggle to accept what they are and what they want? I don't know any Catholics that do, but I know a large number of mormons who do. Honestly, I don't think there's anything wrong with those feelings. More importantly and relevantly, I don't think there's anything wrong with the full expression of those feelings in the bonds of matrimony. How can it be wrong for two people with genuine love for another to express that love physically? Mark_the_Man, it is very wrong to have those feelings and it is not a genuine love. I remembered when I was struggling with sexual immorality (masturbation) for years. I became born again and I could'nt stop it. Then I was asking questions and most answers I received are "it does not matter what you pass through, God sees your heart." Until I stretched my body, my soul, and my spirit fasting and praying, reading the Bible just to terminate that false pleasure of sexual immorality. I talked to God about it seriously and God saw my heart and intervened and God granted me a genuine salvation for seeking the face of Jesus Christ who died to set me free from sin and to bring me into an eternal place of salvation to wine and sup with Him. If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land - (2 Chronicles 7:14). There is no way one can quench those false feelings we call love if not through JESUS CHRIST!!! Seek JESUS and He'll take away those devll's properties and give you His own heart and genuine love. Embrace JESUS CHRIST! I'm sorry, merely saying those feelings are wrong doesn't make them wrong; moreover, you have no scriptural basis for your claim. Perhaps there are some scriptures that condemn man going against the natural use of man and woman, but there is absolutely nothing in the scriptures that condemns homosexual feelings whatsoever. And define genuine. The love David and Jonathan had for each other is precisely what many of these gay men and women feel for each other, the only difference being the manner in which that love is expressed (although not all that different at times, since those two kissed each other's necks). You can't tell me that isn't genuine affection, bring me your beliefs and let's reason together, and I'll show you that there's nothing wrong with being attracted to members of your own sex, and that this man has nothing to repent of or feel bad about unless he breaks vows of chastity before marrriage. |
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I'm 29 and I have struggled for years with these feelings and desires, only within the last year I confessed this part of me to a priest, he like Mark_the_lad explained that it is ok to have these feelings and desires! It was a huge weight off my shoulders and recently I was able 2 tell my brother the same and guess what? my brother still loves me! When I told him I spent years saying Rosaries, fasting, talking to saints and God himself begging for a cure my brother also said let Gods will be and then helped me realise that I received many miracles through my fasting and praying- maybe not what I asked for but God granted them anyway. I guess the biggest miracle was me breaking my silence and revealing my secret which was something I never thought I could do. I still struggle with aspects of it all yet, as I do get sexual urges and try ignoring them but I guess we all got a cross to carry- maybe this is mine. Thanks Togs88 and Mark_the_lad for ur replies, I found both helpful but I even struggled with parts of those!
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I'm 29 and I have struggled for years with these feelings and desires, only within the last year I confessed this part of me to a priest, he like Mark_the_lad explained that it is ok to have these feelings and desires! It was a huge weight off my shoulders and recently I was able 2 tell my brother the same and guess what? my brother still loves me! When I told him I spent years saying Rosaries, fasting, talking to saints and God himself begging for a cure my brother also said let Gods will be and then helped me realise that I received many miracles through my fasting and praying- maybe not what I asked for but God granted them anyway. I guess the biggest miracle was me breaking my silence and revealing my secret which was something I never thought I could do. I still struggle with aspects of it all yet, as I do get sexual urges and try ignoring them but I guess we all got a cross to carry- maybe this is mine. Thanks Togs88 and Mark_the_lad for ur replies, I found both helpful but I even struggled with parts of those! lol@ mark_the_lad. I like that name better. It suits me. I may have to change my alias slightly. =) Glad to have helped at all. I wholeheartedly agree with your priest. It's fortunate that men, or in this case lads xD, like you and I are born in this day and age. Our reception might not have been so positive only sixty years ago. |
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Any other Catholic lads struggle to accept what they are and what they want? I don't know any Catholics that do, but I know a large number of mormons who do. Honestly, I don't think there's anything wrong with those feelings. More importantly and relevantly, I don't think there's anything wrong with the full expression of those feelings in the bonds of matrimony. How can it be wrong for two people with genuine love for another to express that love physically? Mark_the_Man, it is very wrong to have those feelings and it is not a genuine love. I remembered when I was struggling with sexual immorality (masturbation) for years. I became born again and I could'nt stop it. Then I was asking questions and most answers I received are "it does not matter what you pass through, God sees your heart." Until I stretched my body, my soul, and my spirit fasting and praying, reading the Bible just to terminate that false pleasure of sexual immorality. I talked to God about it seriously and God saw my heart and intervened and God granted me a genuine salvation for seeking the face of Jesus Christ who died to set me free from sin and to bring me into an eternal place of salvation to wine and sup with Him. If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land - (2 Chronicles 7:14). There is no way one can quench those false feelings we call love if not through JESUS CHRIST!!! Seek JESUS and He'll take away those devll's properties and give you His own heart and genuine love. Embrace JESUS CHRIST! I'm sorry, merely saying those feelings are wrong doesn't make them wrong; moreover, you have no scriptural basis for your claim. Perhaps there are some scriptures that condemn man going against the natural use of man and woman, but there is absolutely nothing in the scriptures that condemns homosexual feelings whatsoever. And define genuine. The love David and Jonathan had for each other is precisely what many of these gay men and women feel for each other, the only difference being the manner in which that love is expressed (although not all that different at times, since those two kissed each other's necks). You can't tell me that isn't genuine affection, bring me your beliefs and let's reason together, and I'll show you that there's nothing wrong with being attracted to members of your own sex, and that this man has nothing to repent of or feel bad about unless he breaks vows of chastity before marrriage. 1 Corinthians 6:9. Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind (Old KJV), 1Corinthians 6:9. Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites (NKJV). The scripture condermes same sex / homosexuality here. If you find yourself attracted to same sex, please pray seriously about it. It is not a genuine love of God. |
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Any other Catholic lads struggle to accept what they are and what they want? I don't know any Catholics that do, but I know a large number of mormons who do. Honestly, I don't think there's anything wrong with those feelings. More importantly and relevantly, I don't think there's anything wrong with the full expression of those feelings in the bonds of matrimony. How can it be wrong for two people with genuine love for another to express that love physically? Mark_the_Man, it is very wrong to have those feelings and it is not a genuine love. I remembered when I was struggling with sexual immorality (masturbation) for years. I became born again and I could'nt stop it. Then I was asking questions and most answers I received are "it does not matter what you pass through, God sees your heart." Until I stretched my body, my soul, and my spirit fasting and praying, reading the Bible just to terminate that false pleasure of sexual immorality. I talked to God about it seriously and God saw my heart and intervened and God granted me a genuine salvation for seeking the face of Jesus Christ who died to set me free from sin and to bring me into an eternal place of salvation to wine and sup with Him. If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land - (2 Chronicles 7:14). There is no way one can quench those false feelings we call love if not through JESUS CHRIST!!! Seek JESUS and He'll take away those devll's properties and give you His own heart and genuine love. Embrace JESUS CHRIST! I'm sorry, merely saying those feelings are wrong doesn't make them wrong; moreover, you have no scriptural basis for your claim. Perhaps there are some scriptures that condemn man going against the natural use of man and woman, but there is absolutely nothing in the scriptures that condemns homosexual feelings whatsoever. And define genuine. The love David and Jonathan had for each other is precisely what many of these gay men and women feel for each other, the only difference being the manner in which that love is expressed (although not all that different at times, since those two kissed each other's necks). You can't tell me that isn't genuine affection, bring me your beliefs and let's reason together, and I'll show you that there's nothing wrong with being attracted to members of your own sex, and that this man has nothing to repent of or feel bad about unless he breaks vows of chastity before marrriage. 1 Corinthians 6:9. Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind (Old KJV), 1Corinthians 6:9. Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites (NKJV). The scripture condermes same sex / homosexuality here. If you find yourself attracted to same sex, please pray seriously about it. It is not a genuine love of God. Again, the scripture in question refers to an *act* toks, not a feeling or an attraction. This man has committed no crime you can accuse him of. He has no reason to repent. |
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Any other Catholic lads struggle to accept what they are and what they want? I don't know any Catholics that do, but I know a large number of mormons who do. Honestly, I don't think there's anything wrong with those feelings. More importantly and relevantly, I don't think there's anything wrong with the full expression of those feelings in the bonds of matrimony. How can it be wrong for two people with genuine love for another to express that love physically? Mark_the_Man, it is very wrong to have those feelings and it is not a genuine love. I remembered when I was struggling with sexual immorality (masturbation) for years. I became born again and I could'nt stop it. Then I was asking questions and most answers I received are "it does not matter what you pass through, God sees your heart." Until I stretched my body, my soul, and my spirit fasting and praying, reading the Bible just to terminate that false pleasure of sexual immorality. I talked to God about it seriously and God saw my heart and intervened and God granted me a genuine salvation for seeking the face of Jesus Christ who died to set me free from sin and to bring me into an eternal place of salvation to wine and sup with Him. If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land - (2 Chronicles 7:14). There is no way one can quench those false feelings we call love if not through JESUS CHRIST!!! Seek JESUS and He'll take away those devll's properties and give you His own heart and genuine love. Embrace JESUS CHRIST! I'm sorry, merely saying those feelings are wrong doesn't make them wrong; moreover, you have no scriptural basis for your claim. Perhaps there are some scriptures that condemn man going against the natural use of man and woman, but there is absolutely nothing in the scriptures that condemns homosexual feelings whatsoever. And define genuine. The love David and Jonathan had for each other is precisely what many of these gay men and women feel for each other, the only difference being the manner in which that love is expressed (although not all that different at times, since those two kissed each other's necks). You can't tell me that isn't genuine affection, bring me your beliefs and let's reason together, and I'll show you that there's nothing wrong with being attracted to members of your own sex, and that this man has nothing to repent of or feel bad about unless he breaks vows of chastity before marrriage. 1 Corinthians 6:9. Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind (Old KJV), 1Corinthians 6:9. Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites (NKJV). The scripture condermes same sex / homosexuality here. If you find yourself attracted to same sex, please pray seriously about it. It is not a genuine love of God. Again, the scripture in question refers to an *act* toks, not a feeling or an attraction. This man has committed no crime you can accuse him of. He has no reason to repent. At first you said there's nothing wrong with those feelings, but it is wrong having those feelings because it leads to having sexual intercourse with same sex. I would'nt have told PaddyJ29 to repent while because he didnt say he commited same sex with another fellow. I'm sorry Mark. |
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Any other Catholic lads struggle to accept what they are and what they want? I don't know any Catholics that do, but I know a large number of mormons who do. Honestly, I don't think there's anything wrong with those feelings. More importantly and relevantly, I don't think there's anything wrong with the full expression of those feelings in the bonds of matrimony. How can it be wrong for two people with genuine love for another to express that love physically? Mark_the_Man, it is very wrong to have those feelings and it is not a genuine love. I remembered when I was struggling with sexual immorality (masturbation) for years. I became born again and I could'nt stop it. Then I was asking questions and most answers I received are "it does not matter what you pass through, God sees your heart." Until I stretched my body, my soul, and my spirit fasting and praying, reading the Bible just to terminate that false pleasure of sexual immorality. I talked to God about it seriously and God saw my heart and intervened and God granted me a genuine salvation for seeking the face of Jesus Christ who died to set me free from sin and to bring me into an eternal place of salvation to wine and sup with Him. If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land - (2 Chronicles 7:14). There is no way one can quench those false feelings we call love if not through JESUS CHRIST!!! Seek JESUS and He'll take away those devll's properties and give you His own heart and genuine love. Embrace JESUS CHRIST! I'm sorry, merely saying those feelings are wrong doesn't make them wrong; moreover, you have no scriptural basis for your claim. Perhaps there are some scriptures that condemn man going against the natural use of man and woman, but there is absolutely nothing in the scriptures that condemns homosexual feelings whatsoever. And define genuine. The love David and Jonathan had for each other is precisely what many of these gay men and women feel for each other, the only difference being the manner in which that love is expressed (although not all that different at times, since those two kissed each other's necks). You can't tell me that isn't genuine affection, bring me your beliefs and let's reason together, and I'll show you that there's nothing wrong with being attracted to members of your own sex, and that this man has nothing to repent of or feel bad about unless he breaks vows of chastity before marrriage. 1 Corinthians 6:9. Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind (Old KJV), 1Corinthians 6:9. Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites (NKJV). The scripture condermes same sex / homosexuality here. If you find yourself attracted to same sex, please pray seriously about it. It is not a genuine love of God. Again, the scripture in question refers to an *act* toks, not a feeling or an attraction. This man has committed no crime you can accuse him of. He has no reason to repent. At first you said there's nothing wrong with those feelings, but it is wrong having those feelings because it leads to having sexual intercourse with same sex. I would'nt have told PaddyJ29 to repent while because he didnt say he commited same sex with another fellow. I'm sorry Mark. It actually doesn't lead to that, any more than heterosexuality leads to premarital sex by force. Everyone has choice, and it's choices that God judges us by, not feelings we have. |
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Edited by
CeriseRose
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Jesus said...
"But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." Mat_5:28 So here you see it does matter that simply lusting after someone is seen by the Lord as committing the act. (as is fornication, or homosexual sin.) Don't make excuses to sin. Paul said... "And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet." Rom_1:27 In the same chapter Paul said... 16, "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17, For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. 18, For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19, Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20, For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21, Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22, Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24, Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25, Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26, For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27, And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28, And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29, Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32, Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them." (((The problem today is that men have disregarded what God has created and God's obvious purpose for mankind... Man has gone so far in his selfish imaginations...He has closed his ears to the Will and the Word of God. It doesn't matter if any priest embraces wrong behavior...God's word is all that counts.))) |
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Right....cause attraction is tooootally the same thing as lusting after someone actively...uh huh....
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Right....cause attraction is tooootally the same thing as lusting after someone actively...uh huh.... Now... you claim you are trying to assure Paddy that his desires are simply innocent attraction, when plainly he has stated that he is fighting sexual feelings toward same sex, which IS lust. Careful Mark...don't play the devil's advocate |
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Well at this point I would like to thank all for their views but especially. Mark the man/lad ha, your intelligence rises above all scripture and you see the true love of God for all his people! I think mormonism is very accepting of people like me and thank God for Pope Francis who is showing the same acceptance that Mark has shown. Yes I admit that I have desires and ill admit further that I have a friend that I love but never been intimate with, but is this such a sin? With so much war and division in the world is it not more christian for me to love a man than hate a man? I'm sure Catholic priests struggle with their celibacy the same way I struggle with my desires which God made us all with, I see my plight and that of priests as a human natural thing rather than being sinful
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Anyone that struggles with homosexuality is not yet born of the Spirit. One who is born of the Spirit is born to be supernatural and he / she operates in the supernatural.
PaddyJ, I'm glad to see someone that operates in the supernatural helping to answer your question correctly. CeriseRose posted a sincere truth above without compromising. PaddyJ, that feelings is wrong. There are many fake priest out there. There are priests that does not know the scriptures. Many of them cannot answer this question correct. |
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Edited by
CeriseRose
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Well at this point I would like to thank all for their views but especially. Mark the man/lad ha, your intelligence rises above all scripture and you see the true love of God for all his people! I think mormonism is very accepting of people like me and thank God for Pope Francis who is showing the same acceptance that Mark has shown. Yes I admit that I have desires and ill admit further that I have a friend that I love but never been intimate with, but is this such a sin? With so much war and division in the world is it not more christian for me to love a man than hate a man? I'm sure Catholic priests struggle with their celibacy the same way I struggle with my desires which God made us all with, I see my plight and that of priests as a human natural thing rather than being sinful What you are expressing here, Paddy, is your desire to be right. for other mortal men to give you confirmation. I'm saddened that you esteem advice from these men higher than God's Word. God is Alive and Well...Don't leave Him out of your life just to have your desires met. As Toks88 mentioned previously...from this you must repent. May the Lord open your eyes and ears to understand His Word. |
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Well at this point I would like to thank all for their views but especially. Mark the man/lad ha, your intelligence rises above all scripture and you see the true love of God for all his people! I think mormonism is very accepting of people like me and thank God for Pope Francis who is showing the same acceptance that Mark has shown. Yes I admit that I have desires and ill admit further that I have a friend that I love but never been intimate with, but is this such a sin? With so much war and division in the world is it not more christian for me to love a man than hate a man? I'm sure Catholic priests struggle with their celibacy the same way I struggle with my desires which God made us all with, I see my plight and that of priests as a human natural thing rather than being sinful What you are expressing here, Paddy, is your desire to be right. for other mortal men to give you confirmation. I'm saddened that you esteem advice from these men higher than God's Word. God is Alive and Well...Don't leave Him out of your life just to have your desires met. As Toks88 mentioned previously...from this you must repent. May the Lord open your eyes and ears to understand His Word. So he should trust yours and Toks misinterpretation of scripture instead? That hardly seems like a better choice. |
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"Then said Jesus unto his disciples, 'If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me'. Mat_16:24, And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, 'Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me'. Mar_8:34, "And he said to them all, 'If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me'." Luk_9:23, We all have crosses to bear. The biggist cross to bear is our own pride and stubborn will. (-- No men do more harm to themselves, than they that love themselves more than God. |
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Believe me I am carrying my cross and have been for a long time! Many years I spent wanting to change but in the end I have accepted the way God made me, I now embrace myself the same way the Church now embraces me and never have I turned away from God and I never will. Maybe you two should repent in your condemnation of me and your judging of me and accept that I am Gods creation the same as you are
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