http://rt.com/usa/trespass-bill-obama-secret-227/

" PEACABLY to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

If you can't get access to your representitive other than in a public forum or event, and are prevented by security details from approaching them for a conversation they will never have "time" for, or don't have hundreds of thousands of dollars to support their political campaign...... how other than being heard in a "peacable" (without conflict.... other than that imposed upon you to remove and silence you, depriving you of your right of "redress") assembly by raising your voice?

Whose rights are being violated if you are the one attacked, silenced and forcibly removed from a "public" forum?

yeah, in a country of millions, IM sure everyone is not 'entitled' to a personal one on one with a representative,,,

there are avenues to use to contact representatives, even if the response is not instant,,,,thats not an excuse for being disruptive in an event where others have come to hear them speak

like I said before,, if one can , than everyone should be able to, and it is disruptive to an event if everyone is permitted one on one access whenever they choose

no ones rights are violated by being expected to be 'peaceful'..its in the beloved constitution,,,,

No wonder you don't make sense..... you live in an illusion

If you can't talk to your representitive, how do they think to, or actually, represent you?

The only logical answer is they can't, or don't!

If they did, who would protest or feel the need to?

I Thought they went to WORK,,

and its hard to WORK, if you are having to stop constantly to 'speak' directly to hundreds, let alone thousands of people who feel they are entitled to 'personal' time out of your schedule,,,of WORK,,,,

they wouldn't have time to REPRESENT anyone because they would be constantly TALKING with them instead,,,,

odd you have no reply to this...not really, you always seem to skip over when your wrong about barry...

Congressmen/women, just like a$$holes....everyone has one and all it ever gets them is bent over (screwed), painful hemorrhoids (laws like obozocare) or stinky shite (violations to our liberties)... some may enjoy the penetration as it appears you do (screwed thru taxation to support welfare, entitlements, illegal immigration) and think everyone else should enjoy it too...... but at a 15% or less favorability rating, it appears most don't agree with you, which means most don't feel they are representing them as well!

But, getting back on topic, Hitler lied to come to power, to retain power, and then to wield it with an iron fist.... like someone else we know.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HuSyMbbXK4

why should I reply to another opinion,, already stated mine clearly'

read the bill , by the way, and it does not violate the right to 'peacful' assembly as it specifically refers to INTENTIONAL disturbance and disruption in 'RESTRICTED' areas,,,,



in other words, another law pertaining to 'disturbing the peace',,, as opposed to one violating the right to it,,,,

Dogbert doesn't use an iron fist. He uses a whip.

The main post says this about Hitler: 'He didn'��t come into Austria with guns blazing. He came with soothing words and happy talk.'

So why the reference to just Obama. Isn't this what all politicians do? For a living? All over the world? Every time again? For decades?

LOL! This site doesn't get any better with time.



I'm sorry if I offended your delicate sensibilities, so I'll rephrase my post.

'Comparing Obama to Hitler is just an opinion.'

My revised response: "And a not very well-informed one at that."

Is that better for you?

While still a totally uninformed opinion, at least it doesn't insult those not capable of defending themselves.

you need to read up on the Skullduggery and Terror used by the Nazis to get into Power in Austria previous to the "peaceful" Anschluss!

actually,Obama reminds me more of that Buffoon Mussolini,"Il Duce",but a dangerous slick Buffoon nevertheless!

the biggest difference between the two would be the citizens themselves, as the Germans just lost a major war and and Hitler used the soothing words to make the people want to be a strong nation again...

barry, a muslim who we were at war with at the time, came in with soothing words to make America strong again... as with Hitler, he lied... in a few years, the US will probably be broken down into several smaller countries, as did Germany...

If you can't get one on one time with "your" representative, then just how are they your representative?

Now if you don't vote for that person, are they still your representative?

What if I just don't vote for anyone so then I wouldn't even have a representative?

If they aren't my representative, do I still get one on one time with "your" representative?

Now my answers to these questions:

They aren't, absolutely not, absolutely yes, and yes but they aren't going to like it.

Is this a limerick? Are we to try and resolve to a solution? Could you define "WORK" as used here?

Would taking to their constituents take away time needed to make deals with the lobbyist? How would they get enough campaign funds to get reelected?

Would they also have to give up all those junkets to make time to talk to constituents? Would they be impoverished if they had to cut back on their speaking tours to talk to constituents?

Which part of this "WORK" would they not get done? God knows it wouldn't cut into their time to cast votes on the floor to screw the people, after all they don't have to read anything.

ok, so if your protesting shell, and they "let" you protest in front of best buy... they effectively took out the right to protest without taking out the amendment...

http://www.mises.org/daily/6603/Fascism-Is-a-Current-Political-and-Economic-System

As the book's title suggests, Rockwell finds fascism to be the key concept needed to analyze the modern American era. He is quick to deflect an objection:

Fascism has become a term of general derision and rebuke. It is tossed casually in the direction of anything a critic happens to dislike. ... But fascism is a real concept, not a stick with which to beat opponents arbitrarily. The abuse of this important word undermines its true value as a term referring to a very real phenomenon, and one whose spirit lives on even now.

What, then, is fascism? To Rockwell, it is an aggressive nationalism and imperialism, together with domination of the economy by the state.

The state, for the fascist, is the instrument by which the people's common destiny is realized, and in which the potential for greatness is to be found. Individual rights, and the individual himself, are strictly subordinate to the state's great and glorious goals for the nation. In foreign affairs, the fascist attitude is reflected in a belligerent chauvinism, a contempt for other peoples, and a society-wide reverence for soldiers and the martial virtues.

I [Rockwell] wouldn't say that we truly have a dictatorship of one man in this country, but we do have a form of dictatorship of one sector of government over the entire country. The executive branch has spread so dramatically over the last century that it has become a joke to speak of checks and balances. What the kids learn in civics class has nothing to do with reality. ... As for the leadership principle, there is no greater lie in American public life than the propaganda we hear every four years about how the new president/messiah is going to usher in the great dispensation of peace, equality, liberty, and global human happiness. The idea here is that the whole of society is really shaped and controlled by a single will ;a point that requires a leap of faith so vast that you have to disregard everything you know about reality to believe it.

The increased power of the executive branch has been accompanied by a policy of militarism and war.


Just some snips from the Article!

These are the scary Parallels to the Third Reich!