Not sure. I was with a woman once that had breast implants and the surgeon had done a good job and they were really nice.

Went out with a girl that did have big breasts but she said that she wasn't happy with them and wanted to go up to a G. I think that would have been alright actually because she was a younger woman and even though she wore the same size bra as older women that I've been out with, they somehow didn't look as big. It was probably because they weren't saggy, due to her age.

Anyway, I personally don't have a problem with it and don't go on about not liking plastic people in some sort of atempt to make myself look like someone that likes women just the way that they are because it's not actually that easy to tell if a woman has had a breast augmentation if it's a professional job and if they don't look at odds with the rest of her figure. .

Women do all sorts of cosmetic things to either make themselves more attractive, or to just make themselves feel better about themselves and I don't judge them for it. It's really no different from getting hair extensions or wearing a push up bra really, apart from the fact that when they take that bra off they just flop out and aren't what they appeared to be.

As far as getting plastic surgery myself goes; well, I just turned forty five and am not losing my hair. Been told that I look youthful and don't need liposuction because I 'm not fat. Was considering getting a nose job at one point but then a girlfriend of mine pointed out that she liked the fact that I have a big hooter because it's useful as a **** stimulator.

It very much depends on the "why" a person is considering surgery and weather the risks are warranted.

Living in Sacramento, Ca. where statistically more surgeries are done than any where else in the country supposedly I have had this conversation several times.

I truly believe there are psychological ramifications for even the most minor surgery and the best outcomes. You start tinkering with a person's body you are messing with their identity no matter how subtle. It should never be done without much forethought and high quality aftercare.

Where it is medically necessitated I can usually justify reconstructive surgery. Certainly is a quality of life issue then. And I have known being in the field I was for years of many who had spectacular results. Especially with palate and breathing issues, which has a big impact on sleep. In regards broken noses which a lot of people kind of say oh not that big a deal I would encourage a second look. Same with facial reconstruction around dentistry which is woefully under funded and causes all kinds of expensive secondary health issues.

Another is breast reduction. If someone has never had to deal with the chronic neck, back, face, and arm pain of having more "blessing" than the body structure seems to support it is hard to comprehend but I think more than justifies the cost and short term discomfort from almost every single person I know that has done it. I will say the family and ethnic backlash that some surgery patients have had to face is particularly cruel. I gained even more respect for Queen Latifa when she had her surgery and handled the merciless abuse she endure with grace and professionalism. I am hoping in at least one of her shows she addresses this issue.

I will insert here that I am diametrically opposed to surgery that is in any way done to reduce anyone's ethnic appearance. To me it smacks of the worst form of racism and self hatred. I realize prejudice exists but I really doubt looking less ethnic will ever be justified.

Which is exactly why I find trying to prevent an ageing appearance so very offensive. There is a beauty and enhancement that time puts on the body that has been pushed aside by the youth oriented culture in some circles that really misses the mark of humanity.

I do think that it is a very personal choice if a person has a difference that is what they may consider a disability. And just because their parents or society see it as either a disability or an affirmation of their family trait is not the sole factor in the determination of weather a child should have surgery. I was student association president of a school touted as the Jr. Gauladette (school for the deaf) and the issue was hotly debated and still do. To me a person seeking restoration of any senses or abilities should have that option. If they don't want it fine. I personally think some genetic markers are particularly pretty. Perhaps it is the artist in me but variety in pigmentation, the rarer the better, is something I find very alluring. Children of mixed blood are particularly beautiful to me since it seems that the higher power takes the best of both parents. I am very against anyone trying to "correct" their skin by artificial means.

Most breast reconstruction seems to be justified in my book if someone wants it. Again for body symmetry and comfort because the absence of a single breast does require what are still pretty uncomfortable, expensive, and esthetically offensive prosthesis. I truly think if men needed them the technology would have developed 50 years ago. The implant products that still make it to market are shamefully below the standard that should exist.

I am 1000% against artificial breast enhancement above the accepted norm for that body type as outright criminal malpractice and abuse of women in general. I have yet to see a woman who did not eventually have physical and mental complications and little or no avenue for many of the life threatening consequences when the people or jobs that paid for them are long gone. I think men who find this fetish appealing should have to have the same done to them as an orientation how badly they need mental health counseling.

I am for surgery in the case of trauma if the patient wants it or needs it. I have very personal experience with this and I found that while it did not erase the pain of being a victim it went a long way if helping me move to being a survivor and feeling there was justice in the world. I will say that more acceptance and less emphasis on having to erase every scar that life inflicts would be better in many instances. The perception that injury ruins life is often more the burden than the injury itself.

My feeling is no one should have to be a walking billboard for their differences. NOTHING will get me faster than someone who does not have the Good Manners to let a person make their own choices about addressing any difference regardless of the cause. I am particularly torn when People have been affected by military service, or DUI, or cancer, or one of the many things we are trying to cure who are paraded around. To me it is the supreme insult to human dignity and should totally be on their own terms. I chose when and where I wanted to be and advocate and I think every other person should have the same right weather plastic surgery or some device ect. could make them what they once were. That they are a PERSON now is what should always be front and center.

I've had this conversation about plastic surgery with some of my past relationships. And here is what I told them.

"Baby god already made you beautiful. If you want to do it to feel better about yourself go right ahead it won't change the person inside and that is what makes you beautiful."

If its something she feels she wants or needs to do I wont tell her not to. But I will always let her know it won't change my perception of her as a person or my love for her. As a man it is our duty to build our woman up and show them how to feel good about themselves when they dont and support them in any of their endeavors. If she is set on doing it I'll support her decision 100% if she decides not to I'll support her 100%.

For me I personally don't believe I need plastic surgery. Even if trying to just turn back the clock a little. If we were meant not to age our DNA would be Symmetric and it isn't. Like most fine wines we as people do get better with age.

Even dr's can be prejudiced. I remember visiting one for a completely different problem, and he suddenly mentioned that I had a tooth growing infront of another tooth. He then asked if I'd like it removed. I should have been more angry with him for that, because that means he was pointing out a fault in my appearance. How HE wanted me to look. I've had jibes about being thin by other dr's. They seem to judge without knowing the full story. I didn't say I was anorexic or wanted to be thin. It can depend on genetics, blood type, metabolism. Take your pick, but picking on me according to what I "should" look like is nobody's business. At least I don't look like a blow-up doll. So I've been put off visting any dr now.

A _li _ stimulator
to funny
Make me think of the time when this lol..Dancer
broke my buddy's nose.
well I was there in three different incidents
that happened in as many months
1988-9 ~first one we would hang out at this nightclub that was owned by a western world infamous three patch bike club,so my buddy takes
about 5 shots on the nose with a fist of biker
rings.
then a few weeks latter we get in a car accidents
and Randy, drunk again, plowed into the back of
my seat with his nose, on impact breaking and splitting it open again.
then it was almost healed and we were in gynecology row and this dancer is holding on the pole Squatting up and down over his head inches away
as he's got his head back,right in there then
She just pounded him on the nose with all her weight on his nose about 6 times
He was drunk again so he just absorbed all the blows,then he turned to me and said "James..she
just broke my nose again.

poor Rand..another Logger..good guy.

What do you think of a black or Hispanic person getting surgery on his or her nose to make it thinner not to make thin like a white person but just thinner?

Sadly medical school curriculum teaches I think it is one three hour course on interpersonal skills with patients and that is woefully inadequate.

You are 100% right that doctors can and are prejudiced and I am sorry you had a bad experience.


You can and I hope you would file a report with your insurer and the medical board because if they don't know there is a problem they can not fix it.

I hope you will rethink putting off seeing a doctor if you need it. You have to be your own best guardian when it comes to health. Good Luck.

Pretty sure that she's British and insurance probably doesn't come into it because as I told you before, there's a National Health Service here.

The way that it works, if you don't like your general practitioner for whatever reason, then you just ask to see another one. Some doctor suggesting that you might want to see a dentist is hardly unprofessional though. People are touchy about things that doctors say to them and I've had doctors noticing things about me and making comments. Just can't see a doctor being struck off for saying something about teeth but maybe that's how it works in America.

Possibly the doctor wasn't just seeing it as a cosmetic thing though. Do you think that's possible? When I go to see my dentist he talks more about dental hygene than cosmetics and could be that teeth growing out of alignment can be places where bacteria acumulates.

Anyway, why be offended by it? Look at David Bowie's teeth before he had them fixed. I think that they looked better then and I dare say that he could afford to pay for private treatement but on the National Health there's only so much that you can get for free.

Besides, you weren't there when she went to see her doctor and don't know what her problems are. Perhaps the doctor thought that it was relevant for some reason. Gawd knows but a British National Health general practitioner is basically just someone that writes scripts and refers you to specialists if you need that. I have absolutely no idea why her dentist hadn't discussed it with her, if that was the case but perhaps the doctor was concerned about that. I knew a woman that lost four of her front teeth just by neglecting to take care of them and to repeat, teeth are not merely cosmetic.

But let's put it another way. if your hair was falling out, or if your complexion didn't look good, or anything else that you might consider to be "cosmetic", don't you think that it's possible that a doctor might just see that as a sign that there was some underlying problem that wasn't merely cosmetic and that thing that he noticed was only a symptom.

Conversely, don't you think that some "cosmetic" thing might be viewed by a doctor as something that a patient might be concerned about if they weren't depressed and weren't taking care of themselves? It's a possibility. All that these doctors can do is to ask questions and if you say that you aren't bothered about it they drop it. There's no insurance and the money doesn't come out of the patient's pocket. The way that it works here is that they have limited funds and if they offer you something for nothing you don't complain about it like some American that wants to sue anybody that they can for malpractice.

A _li _ stimulator
to funny
Make me think of the time when this lol..Dancer
broke my buddy's nose.
well I was there in three different incidents
that happened in as many months
1988-9 ~first one we would hang out at this nightclub that was owned by a western world infamous three patch bike club,so my buddy takes
about 5 shots on the nose with a fist of biker
rings.
then a few weeks latter we get in a car accidents
and Randy, drunk again, plowed into the back of
my seat with his nose, on impact breaking and splitting it open again.
then it was almost healed and we were in gynecology row and this dancer is holding on the pole Squatting up and down over his head inches away
as he's got his head back,right in there then
She just pounded him on the nose with all her weight on his nose about 6 times
He was drunk again so he just absorbed all the blows,then he turned to me and said "James..she
just broke my nose again.

poor Rand..another Logger..good guy.

I think all your points are reasonable and valid.

Filing a comment/complaint to the insurance carrier or the American Medical Board is not legally actionable but it does document a doctor that has such an aggressive therapeutic manner that the patient feels humiliated or reluctant to seek future care.

One complaint might prompt a review of the patient's records and Maybe a performance review or even a professional advisory but the doctor would have been paid for his service and probably would see no career harm. But if there is a pattern of behavior then things change. The standard for malpractice would be so high that the doctor would have had to do something much more.

I do however totally agree that dental problems radically affect over all health. I did not address that because the OP was talking about medical professionals attitudes about beauty esthetics justifying plastic surgery or just medical care which is a well documented problem in the USA at least.

And a Primary care doctor would be negligent to not offer to make a referral. IF; the patient sought it, which basically is required here for any maxio-facial surgery (tooth extraction) and very expensive and often NOT covered by primary policies. Usually a primary care doctor's referral is not good enough and requires a dentist first then the dental specialist. Messed up system.

But I think the poster made it clear she had sought care for another issue and she felt insulted and discriminated because the doctor thought she was too thin for other than medical reasons and was giving her a hard time for a physical medical condition she has chronically struggled to get treated. Another problem not uncommon in American health care delivery.