But the people who actually understand the building issues (ASCE Structural Division) are in complete agreement on all major issues and only disagree on petty meaningless stuff. It is really weird how people like you can think you know more than them.



The ASCE had 25 members in the investigation. A large number of this team were volunteers. They were also teamed up with FEMA and
formed the Building Performance Study Team.

The ASCE had no access to building plans, was not allowed to ask for help from the public,had no access to the steel until the first week in October and were threatened with dismissal if they spoke to the press. And interestingly enough the original ASCE team was the same team that studied Oklahoma City.

Guess it all depends on who you want to believe.

BTW,where are the Coppertraces from the Shaped-Charge-Liners?
How come there aren't any on the Girders that allegedly have been cut by Explosives?

Maybe if we had an investigation that actually investigated I might be in a better position to answer your question.

The ASCE had 25 members in the investigation. A large number of this team were volunteers. They were also teamed up with FEMA and
formed the Building Performance Study Team.

The ASCE had no access to building plans, was not allowed to ask for help from the public,had no access to the steel until the first week in October and were threatened with dismissal if they spoke to the press. And interestingly enough the original ASCE team was the same team that studied Oklahoma City.

Guess it all depends on who you want to believe.

BTW,where are the Coppertraces from the Shaped-Charge-Liners?
How come there aren't any on the Girders that allegedly have been cut by Explosives?


The ASCE needed no help from the public nor did they need access to the steel for anything other than pure academics. It took me about 20 minutes to realize how the basic failure mode was about to occur when I saw the second plane hit in real time. When the light bulb came on, it only took a few seconds. The building code requirements for buildings built during that period are all pretty much the same.

I have seen the UL fire ratings tests and they don't apply to burning jetliners full of fuel. I have seen the application of spray-on fire proofing to get a 1 or 1-1/2 hours fire rating.

The only things any of us (the ASCE engineers) had to know was approximately how long it took the structural steel to reach approximately 1000F, what would happen if it did, and what floors were affected.

It is somewhat like watching a lumberjack chop a tree down and predicting how and when it is going to fall.

You are telling me there was a Grand Conspiracy,yet you can't answer this simple question!

How could he or anyone answer that question? If memory serves me right, the evidence (wreckage) from the greatest crime in American history was immediately shipped off to China as scrap steel just as fast as it could be loaded on ships. I even remember newscasters saying that the wreckage was being moved to some location where it would be considered evidence.

I guess they figured that tagging all that stuff as "exhibit A" was too much work, and not really necessary; after all, everybody knew within a few hours that Usama did it. All they had to do was arrest him and bring him to trial & he'd spill his guts. Of course it dawned on the FBI later that there wasn't enough hard evidence to charge Usama with the crime, so maybe bringing him to trial wasn't such a great idea after all.

Since they had no proof of the unsubstantiated rumour that he died in a cave in Afghanistan, in desperate need of kidney dialysis in about 2001 or 2002, and since the American people were still screaming for vengeance 12 years later, even though Dubya said years before that he wasn't interested in Usama anymore (I guess he had "moved on" to a new guy by then), Obumma decided to keep an election promise he didn't make and embarked on a program of killing anyone he didn't like without charge or trial (part of his new "legal regime" for the US). At the time, drones hadn't "taken off yet", so he had to get a SEAL team together to kill him a "Usama."

Presumably any Usama would do (since they were in such short supply) and it looks like they got the wrong one (usual government incompetence). We'll never know of course, because when taking the body back, somebody probably mentioned something about a DNA analysis and how Usama's corpse was starting to stink. It was only logical they had to dump it in the ocean on the way home; besides somebody forgot to bring the body bag. (more government incompetence)

After a bit of news fanfare and a round of posthumus medals for the "accidentally" killed SEAL team, Obumma & Hitlery et al could pat themselves on the back for a job well done. (As Hitlery would later say of Khadafy, "We came, we saw, he'd dead." to the uproarious laughter of the crowd)

This brilliantly planned and executed operation gave the democrats a well-deserved temporary boost in the poll ratings for finally getting "justice" for the American people, especially for the 3000 of them who were so unjustly murdered by a vicious gang of terrorists on 9/11/2001.

I'm kinda wishing I had the book rights on the epic tale called "911"...It stands to rival the work of men such as Homer...or Aesop.

don't be fooled,she knows!

Well said sir, When they cannot respond in a logical adult manner they photo dump. You win

It is somewhat like watching a lumberjack chop a tree down and predicting how and when it is going to fall.







Really?

Using your analogy that the towers are being seen as trees.

Have you ever seen a tall tree topped? That lumberjack is sure of one thing...that tree can go any direction and there are many dead lumberjacks to prove this.

The towers were basically "topped" by the jets.

At no time has a topped tree "pancaked"the healthy structure beneath it.

It is somewhat like watching a lumberjack chop a tree down and predicting how and when it is going to fall.







Really?

Using your analogy that the towers are being seen as trees.

Have you ever seen a tall tree topped? That lumberjack is sure of one thing...that tree can go any direction and there are many dead lumberjacks to prove this.

The towers were basically "topped" by the jets.

At no time has a topped tree "pancaked"the healthy structure beneath it.





Your so right and if those buildings had been made of wood and not high grade construction steel they would not have fallen like that.

No way ever beam and every strut failed at exactly the same time all across the building, not just one time or two but three times? It is absurd.

But you know what they say about we americans these days.

A nation of sheep.
Ruled by wolves.
Owned by pigs.

like watching two kids talking about something that they have no clue...

no way? but yet they did... that must be a conundrum for ya... might i suggest start with weight factors and how fast the floors pancaked on top of each other...

like watching two kids talking about something that they have no clue...

no way? but yet they did... that must be a conundrum for ya... might i suggest start with weight factors and how fast the floors pancaked on top of each other...





The pancake theory..... Talk about a conundrum.

Given that the laws of physics applies in New York City. Given that the falling upper floors had no additional energy to destroy the healthy structure below. "every action has a positive and equal reaction". Where did the energy come from to hurl large chunks of structure such great distances and destroy the healthy structure?

We should have an investigation of the original investigation and then follow up with investigations that came after the investigations that investigated them. Or, something like that.

Bottom line. We can never have to many investigations as they will always prove that....we need more investigations.

again, look up weight and speed... you might be suprised...

heh I don't think it was ever together really

again, look up weight and speed... you might be suprised...



The only source that I can find to support that "theory" is the NIST report. This "theory" by NIST's in house generated model that has never been peer reviewed..... By anybody.....Ever.

Theoretical science is not science until it has been published and peer reviewed.

Everything that the ASCE did was peer reviewed to the infinite degree. My comment about the tree is obviously lost on several here.

I guess you have to be a structural engineer to understand.

Everything that the ASCE did was peer reviewed to the infinite degree. My comment about the tree is obviously lost on several here.

I guess you have to be a structural engineer to understand.



Everything the ASCE did was peer reviewed by their partners,FEMA and NIST. Remember that the ASCE team had 25 members. Over 1500 architects and engineers also Peer reviewed the ASCE report and found it lacking in every department.

The analogy with the tree was actually quite good.


Again, it comes down to who you can believe. The official version
just doesn't make sense.

If the official version is correct. And their investigations revealed a fatal flaw in the design of modern steel framed buildings that would allow total destruction by fire. Wouldn't every hi rise in the country have to be inspected and upgraded to fit the new standard that was created by this event.

One could argue that the trade towers had a certain type of design and that may even be a valid arguement.

#7 was a more traditional design but had been retrofitted to make it even stronger due to it being built over the top of a con ed substation. This building collapsed entirely from the effects of office fires.

This should have sent massive shock waves through out the entire industry.

More of the Truther's Wile E.Coyote's Physics to follow.................>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Stay Tuned!

Or you could just answer the question.