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Topic: ObamaCare (ACA) is affordable? By whose standards?
Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Wed 10/23/13 12:26 AM
States Receiving Least in Federal Spending Per Dollar of Federal Taxes Paid: 1. New Jersey ($0.62) 2. Connecticut ($0.64) 3. New Hampshire ($0.68) 4. Nevada ($0.73) 5. Illinois ($0.77) 6. Minnesota ($0.77) 7. Colorado ($0.79) 8. Massachusetts ($0.79) 9. California ($0.81) 10. New York ($0.81) Two states -- Florida and Oregon (coincidentally, the two closest states in the 2000 Presidential election) -- received $1.00 in federal spending for each http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2004/09/red_states_feed.html Unions care about People!

Sojourning_Soul Joined Fri 02/13/09 Posts: 10767	Wed 10/23/13 06:28 AM
Jon Stewart Delivers Blistering Takedown of Obamacare Rollout: Dems Can't 'Spin This Turd' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Qtx_ZcHOjw

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Wed 10/23/13 06:34 AM
Jon Stewart Delivers Blistering Takedown of Obamacare Rollout: Dems Can't 'Spin This Turd' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Qtx_ZcHOjw But they still try convince you that you can pick up a Turd by its clean end!

TJN Joined Sun 12/02/07 Posts: 6745	Wed 10/23/13 07:25 AM
healthcare through employment adult + 1 = 124 every two weeks or 248 a month aca cost 33 per month ,,SOME WILL SAVE, SOME WILL PAY MORE its not an absolute,,,,but many who were turned away before will no longer be and that makes it worth it for anyone who is able to care about people beyond themselves,,, That's your premium. What is the deductible? 3500 What demographic is that age single/family And where are you getting your numbers from. I've been hearing a lot about people going on sites and not getting the correct numbers.

metalwing Joined Fri 11/14/08 Posts: 26218	Wed 10/23/13 07:50 AM
That's really funny! What isn't so funny is that the 800 number sent people back to the website or didn't work.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 10/23/13 01:31 PM
healthcare through employment adult + 1 = 124 every two weeks or 248 a month aca cost 33 per month ,,SOME WILL SAVE, SOME WILL PAY MORE its not an absolute,,,,but many who were turned away before will no longer be and that makes it worth it for anyone who is able to care about people beyond themselves,,, That's your premium. What is the deductible? 3500 What demographic is that age single/family And where are you getting your numbers from. I've been hearing a lot about people going on sites and not getting the correct numbers.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 10/23/13 01:31 PM Edited by msharmony on Wed 10/23/13 01:31 PM
healthcare through employment adult + 1 = 124 every two weeks or 248 a month aca cost 33 per month ,,SOME WILL SAVE, SOME WILL PAY MORE its not an absolute,,,,but many who were turned away before will no longer be and that makes it worth it for anyone who is able to care about people beyond themselves,,, That's your premium. What is the deductible? 3500 What demographic is that age single/family And where are you getting your numbers from. I've been hearing a lot about people going on sites and not getting the correct numbers. 42, non smoker, 1 child looking in my employee benefits enrollment package

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Wed 10/23/13 02:14 PM


TJN Joined Sun 12/02/07 Posts: 6745	Wed 10/23/13 03:05 PM
healthcare through employment adult + 1 = 124 every two weeks or 248 a month aca cost 33 per month ,,SOME WILL SAVE, SOME WILL PAY MORE its not an absolute,,,,but many who were turned away before will no longer be and that makes it worth it for anyone who is able to care about people beyond themselves,,, That's your premium. What is the deductible? 3500 What demographic is that age single/family And where are you getting your numbers from. I've been hearing a lot about people going on sites and not getting the correct numbers. 42, non smoker, 1 child looking in my employee benefits enrollment package Ok that's through your employer. Where did you get the 33/month for the ACA?

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 10/23/13 03:18 PM
healthcare through employment adult + 1 = 124 every two weeks or 248 a month aca cost 33 per month ,,SOME WILL SAVE, SOME WILL PAY MORE its not an absolute,,,,but many who were turned away before will no longer be and that makes it worth it for anyone who is able to care about people beyond themselves,,, That's your premium. What is the deductible? 3500 What demographic is that age single/family And where are you getting your numbers from. I've been hearing a lot about people going on sites and not getting the correct numbers. 42, non smoker, 1 child looking in my employee benefits enrollment package Ok that's through your employer. Where did you get the 33/month for the ACA? subsidy calculator,, enter your salary, your age and smoking sttus it gives you the premium

TJN Joined Sun 12/02/07 Posts: 6745	Wed 10/23/13 03:21 PM Edited by TJN on Wed 10/23/13 03:22 PM
healthcare through employment adult + 1 = 124 every two weeks or 248 a month aca cost 33 per month ,,SOME WILL SAVE, SOME WILL PAY MORE its not an absolute,,,,but many who were turned away before will no longer be and that makes it worth it for anyone who is able to care about people beyond themselves,,, That's your premium. What is the deductible? 3500 What demographic is that age single/family And where are you getting your numbers from. I've been hearing a lot about people going on sites and not getting the correct numbers. 42, non smoker, 1 child looking in my employee benefits enrollment package Ok that's through your employer. Where did you get the 33/month for the ACA? subsidy calculator,, enter your salary, your age and smoking sttus it gives you the premium What about the deductible? And what if you aren't eligable for a subsidy?

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 10/23/13 03:26 PM
healthcare through employment adult + 1 = 124 every two weeks or 248 a month aca cost 33 per month ,,SOME WILL SAVE, SOME WILL PAY MORE its not an absolute,,,,but many who were turned away before will no longer be and that makes it worth it for anyone who is able to care about people beyond themselves,,, That's your premium. What is the deductible? 3500 What demographic is that age single/family And where are you getting your numbers from. I've been hearing a lot about people going on sites and not getting the correct numbers. 42, non smoker, 1 child looking in my employee benefits enrollment package Ok that's through your employer. Where did you get the 33/month for the ACA? subsidy calculator,, enter your salary, your age and smoking sttus it gives you the premium What about the deductible? And what if you aren't eligable for a subsidy? there is ( I believe) a cap of 9.5 percent of income or up to 6600 per year,, from what I see toying with numbers going all the way up to 800000 and 2 children, the premium was still 6600 per year that's as high as I experimented

Peccy Joined Thu 06/28/07 Posts: 17181	Wed 10/23/13 03:56 PM
healthcare through employment adult + 1 = 124 every two weeks or 248 a month aca cost 33 per month ,,SOME WILL SAVE, SOME WILL PAY MORE its not an absolute,,,,but many who were turned away before will no longer be and that makes it worth it for anyone who is able to care about people beyond themselves,,, I care about people, that's just human nature, but Obamacare forces a person to care about everyone or there is a fine. Doesn't sound fair or logical, no matter how you try and spin it. well, patriotism forces people to care about americans , soldiers,, etc,,, I care about them AND the down trodden enough to contribute what I am ABLE to contribute,, Is that the best you can do? Compare patriotism, which is learned from your surroundings to a tax which is mandatory and enforced by our government. Face it, your argument is very weak and quite amusing.

TJN Joined Sun 12/02/07 Posts: 6745	Wed 10/23/13 04:12 PM
healthcare through employment adult + 1 = 124 every two weeks or 248 a month aca cost 33 per month ,,SOME WILL SAVE, SOME WILL PAY MORE its not an absolute,,,,but many who were turned away before will no longer be and that makes it worth it for anyone who is able to care about people beyond themselves,,, That's your premium. What is the deductible? 3500 What demographic is that age single/family And where are you getting your numbers from. I've been hearing a lot about people going on sites and not getting the correct numbers. 42, non smoker, 1 child looking in my employee benefits enrollment package Ok that's through your employer. Where did you get the 33/month for the ACA? subsidy calculator,, enter your salary, your age and smoking sttus it gives you the premium What about the deductible? And what if you aren't eligable for a subsidy? there is ( I believe) a cap of 9.5 percent of income or up to 6600 per year,, from what I see toying with numbers going all the way up to 800000 and 2 children, the premium was still 6600 per year that's as high as I experimented Ok again. That's the premium. What is the deductible? Premium is what you pay the insurance company for coverage. Deductible is what you pay before before insurance coverage begins.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Thu 10/24/13 01:23 AM
healthcare through employment adult + 1 = 124 every two weeks or 248 a month aca cost 33 per month ,,SOME WILL SAVE, SOME WILL PAY MORE its not an absolute,,,,but many who were turned away before will no longer be and that makes it worth it for anyone who is able to care about people beyond themselves,,, I care about people, that's just human nature, but Obamacare forces a person to care about everyone or there is a fine. Doesn't sound fair or logical, no matter how you try and spin it. well, patriotism forces people to care about americans , soldiers,, etc,,, I care about them AND the down trodden enough to contribute what I am ABLE to contribute,, OMG,it's even worse than I thought!

metalwing Joined Fri 11/14/08 Posts: 26218	Thu 10/24/13 02:43 AM
Breaking news! Six Democratic senators are bailing on Obamacare and want to delay it! (They want to get reelected) That confirms the patriotic nature of the problem!!!!

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Thu 10/24/13 03:09 AM
Breaking news! Six Democratic senators are bailing on Obamacare and want to delay it! (They want to get reelected) That confirms the patriotic nature of the problem!!!!

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 10/24/13 03:37 AM
Breaking news! Six Democratic senators are bailing on Obamacare and want to delay it! (They want to get reelected) That confirms the patriotic nature of the problem!!!! the only thing being delayed is the deadline to enroll, which makes sense due to the website issues,,, but wishful thinking may actually succeed in spreading negativity and bringing down any attempt to provide affordable healthcare to those less fortunate than you,,, keep up the good work!!

metalwing Joined Fri 11/14/08 Posts: 26218	Thu 10/24/13 07:26 AM
Breaking news! Six Democratic senators are bailing on Obamacare and want to delay it! (They want to get reelected) That confirms the patriotic nature of the problem!!!! the only thing being delayed is the deadline to enroll, which makes sense due to the website issues,,, but wishful thinking may actually succeed in spreading negativity and bringing down any attempt to provide affordable healthcare to those less fortunate than you,,, keep up the good work!! You don't know what is being delayed. The Senators have just started discussions. You can bet that they will do whatever they think is best for their re-election, not the general public. Obamacare is a major attempt at redistribution of wealth. The government is not competent and has proven this FACT in detail. The young of the US are getting totally screwed in this deal by being expected to pay for subsidies for most everyone else. It isn't fair, it won't work, and the system will fail. I worked for everything I have. I will actually stand to gain from the bill slightly due to my age. I have never taken anything from the government and I don't want anything. Enablement is a process where you give someone freebies to the point where they can't take care of themselves. It needs to stop for all able bodied citizens and non citizens. Self reliance is what built America and entitlements are what is destroying it.

Drivinmenutz Joined Wed 11/14/07 Posts: 4290	Thu 10/24/13 09:25 AM
mds are underpaid?,,,,interesting anyway,, those I know haven't left their careers,, not much else that they can make a comparable salary with in this economy or culture without spending another 8-12 years in college,,which would REALLY cost them money Unlike anything else one cannot look at gross salary as actual income. Lets do a little breakdown. MD's will make about 200 grand a year median pay. This will net about 125k. Now subtract about 25,000 for malpractice, and about 35,000 (annual student loan payment for 10 years). This will be a take home pay of about 65,000. This is for a 60 hour work week. If they are not underpaid, they are at the cusp of being not worth the extra 10 years of training. If they are required to accept medicare/medicaid as viable insurance you'll be seeing a lot fewer doctors making 200k a year plus. Couple this with the fact that paperwork is taking more and more time and you have a less rewarding career altogether.