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The American people can stop Obamacare. It will take some guts and some risk, but we can shut it down tomorrow. Let me explain. In National Federation of Independent Business et al v. Sebelius, Secretary of Health and Human Services, et al., the Supreme Court ruled the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) penalties to be a tax, not a penalty. Chief Justice Roberts was chastised for this action. It has always been my belief that Justice Roberts's actions and opinion was brilliant and eventually history would vindicate his decision and his wisdom. Roberts gave America a skillfully crafted opinion and the opportunity to shut down the law. He also avoided having his court---a court that he will preside over until he retires or dies---from being accused of legislating from the bench; at least by liberals who were stoking the fires of discontent during the US Supreme Court Obamacare hearings. The U.S. Constitution's Origination Clause (Art. I, Sec 7) require all tax bills to originate in the House of Representatives. Obamacare or the Affordable Care Act originated in the Senate making the laws tax unconstitutional. No argument was made over the penalty provision of the law. Only that the laws mandate was unconstitutional. All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills. --Article 1, Section 7 No one thought to argue that the penalties were in fact a tax. During the legislative process, the Democrats fought long and hard to convince Americans that they "would not be taxed." Remember? Democrats and the liberal media told the country---repeatedly--that people who did not sign up would pay a penalty, not a tax. Chief Justice Roberts has set the stage, for what I believe, can be a massive citizen effort to bring suit to overturn the heart and soul of Obamacare legislation for the enforcement of the illegal tax provision of the law. So why has this provision of Obamacare gone unchallenged? To bring a successful suit seeking remedy from a court, the party or parties to the suit must have legal standing. Basically, a plaintiff must show that they have suffered some direct or substantial injury or be likely to suffer such injury if a particular wrong is not redressed. Moreover, a defendant must also be shown to be the party responsible for perpetrating the alleged wrongdoing. Without standing, a case has no merit and more than likely would be dismissed. I offer the recent Supreme Court ruling on Hollingsworth vs. Perry, or what is commonly called the California's Proposition 8 Same Sex Marriage ban. In this case, the Supreme Court ruled that it did not have the authority to hear the plaintiff's case, because the majority of justices agreed the plaintiff did not incur "concrete and particularized injury." In other words, they had no standing to sue. Consequently, the case was not considered. To date, no American has suffered "concrete and particularized injury" from Obamacare taxes. No one has been taxed yet. Therefore, no injury has occurred, and no standing can be proven. So, no suit has been brought to challenge the Obamacare tax as illegal. Without the penalty, which is now a tax, the law has no teeth. None. It can simply be ignored. It is also conceivable that if the tax is ruled unconstitutional the entire legislation becomes unconstitutional. So why is no one in our federal legislature, a group of people dominated by lawyers, not bringing this to the attention of the American public? Why are they manufacturing another controversy over a budget they have not passed in 5 years, a continuing resolution that adds to our national debt and the pending debt ceiling increase? If overturning Obamacare is the objective, our government can simply educate the people how to get this done. Chief Justice Roberts suggested the court is not obligated to save America from the consequences of elections. However, he has given us a gift. We should use it. To wait for our dysfunctional government, who spins one national crisis after the other to gain an edge during an election will not bring a speedy or reliable solution to this Obamacare induced crisis. Moreover, it will not decrease the cost of health insurance premiums. Every American who finds the government takeover of our healthcare industry (18% of our stagnant economy) can come together to challenge this law and Washington politics. Simply opt out and wait for the tax. Send a letter to your representatives telling them what you intend to do and why. Perhaps Grover Norquist's Americans for Tax Reform would provide the vehicle for bringing suit once standing is established. My sense is that Mr. Norquist would rather run for the hills, but I am sure some liberty minded not-for-profit, social welfare group exists that can pull this together. However, it must start with the citizens. An organized group of Americans, civil disobedient Americans, can take this law down. Read more at http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/10/americans-will-soon-standing-destroy-obamacare/#Mo0QTGTu10w2m1qg.99 |
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Without the penalty, which is now a tax, the law has no teeth. the supreme court did not agree,, its law this is the same backlash faced by civil rights bills, but its here to stay there is more than one way to skin a cat,, the healthcare system receives both federal and state funding, and federal speding/ money can be regulated (conditional) without it having to 'originate' in either house specifically the law already allows states to implement their own care or opt out, but doing so will cause them great money from the federal which I doubt many will be willing to concede,,, this is also how most states came to have mandatory vehicle insurance,, as an interstate source of commerce, the feds could regulate the conditions upon which it would give federal funding to states for their highways and roads,,,,including the condition that the drivers have a mandate for insurance states talk big,, but they wont give up their funds,, and this bill is going to stand as the supreme court decided it should,,,,, |
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it needs a serious revamping!
Right now,the only thing it does is adding power to the Federal Government,without the much touted benefits to the Insured! It's Trash! |
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it needs to be implemented and observed over time to see what needs to be revamped, what works, and what doesn't,,,
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it needs to be implemented and observed over time to see what needs to be revamped, what works, and what doesn't,,, you sound like good ole Nancy now! 
Trash is Trash,no need to take it home to find out it is Trash! |
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to each their own
I don't think its 'trash' to reduce the risks of peoples lives being torn upside down from an illness or reduce the difficulty people who are actually ILL have in finding affordable healthcare or share the costs of the healthcare system which takes great hits from all the uninsured who still legally go into medical rooms and hospitals across the country to get care without any way of paying the providers,, but that's me |
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to each their own I don't think its 'trash' to reduce the risks of peoples lives being torn upside down from an illness or reduce the difficulty people who are actually ILL have in finding affordable healthcare or share the costs of the healthcare system which takes great hits from all the uninsured who still legally go into medical rooms and hospitals across the country to get care without any way of paying the providers,, but that's me How can anyone buy healthcare if the websites do not work? They've had three years to set them up properly. It's not all because of traffic. And affordable my backside! Even the fine for not buying healthcare is more affordable than the actual healthcare itself! 
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to each their own I don't think its 'trash' to reduce the risks of peoples lives being torn upside down from an illness or reduce the difficulty people who are actually ILL have in finding affordable healthcare or share the costs of the healthcare system which takes great hits from all the uninsured who still legally go into medical rooms and hospitals across the country to get care without any way of paying the providers,, but that's me How much will you be paying for your coverage? |
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Without the penalty, which is now a tax, the law has no teeth. the supreme court did not agree,, its law this is the same backlash faced by civil rights bills, but its here to stay there is more than one way to skin a cat,, the healthcare system receives both federal and state funding, and federal speding/ money can be regulated (conditional) without it having to 'originate' in either house specifically the law already allows states to implement their own care or opt out, but doing so will cause them great money from the federal which I doubt many will be willing to concede,,, this is also how most states came to have mandatory vehicle insurance,, as an interstate source of commerce, the feds could regulate the conditions upon which it would give federal funding to states for their highways and roads,,,,including the condition that the drivers have a mandate for insurance states talk big,, but they wont give up their funds,, and this bill is going to stand as the supreme court decided it should,,,,, obama is great, praise be to obama scratch obama is great, praise be to obama scratch |
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The American people can stop Obamacare. It will take some guts and some risk, but we can shut it down tomorrow. Let me explain. In National Federation of Independent Business et al v. Sebelius, Secretary of Health and Human Services, et al., the Supreme Court ruled the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) penalties to be a tax, not a penalty. Chief Justice Roberts was chastised for this action. It has always been my belief that Justice Roberts's actions and opinion was brilliant and eventually history would vindicate his decision and his wisdom. Roberts gave America a skillfully crafted opinion and the opportunity to shut down the law. He also avoided having his court---a court that he will preside over until he retires or dies---from being accused of legislating from the bench; at least by liberals who were stoking the fires of discontent during the US Supreme Court Obamacare hearings. The U.S. Constitution's Origination Clause (Art. I, Sec 7) require all tax bills to originate in the House of Representatives. Obamacare or the Affordable Care Act originated in the Senate making the laws tax unconstitutional. No argument was made over the penalty provision of the law. Only that the laws mandate was unconstitutional. All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills. --Article 1, Section 7 No one thought to argue that the penalties were in fact a tax. During the legislative process, the Democrats fought long and hard to convince Americans that they "would not be taxed." Remember? Democrats and the liberal media told the country---repeatedly--that people who did not sign up would pay a penalty, not a tax. Chief Justice Roberts has set the stage, for what I believe, can be a massive citizen effort to bring suit to overturn the heart and soul of Obamacare legislation for the enforcement of the illegal tax provision of the law. So why has this provision of Obamacare gone unchallenged? To bring a successful suit seeking remedy from a court, the party or parties to the suit must have legal standing. Basically, a plaintiff must show that they have suffered some direct or substantial injury or be likely to suffer such injury if a particular wrong is not redressed. Moreover, a defendant must also be shown to be the party responsible for perpetrating the alleged wrongdoing. Without standing, a case has no merit and more than likely would be dismissed. I offer the recent Supreme Court ruling on Hollingsworth vs. Perry, or what is commonly called the California's Proposition 8 Same Sex Marriage ban. In this case, the Supreme Court ruled that it did not have the authority to hear the plaintiff's case, because the majority of justices agreed the plaintiff did not incur "concrete and particularized injury." In other words, they had no standing to sue. Consequently, the case was not considered. To date, no American has suffered "concrete and particularized injury" from Obamacare taxes. No one has been taxed yet. Therefore, no injury has occurred, and no standing can be proven. So, no suit has been brought to challenge the Obamacare tax as illegal. Without the penalty, which is now a tax, the law has no teeth. None. It can simply be ignored. It is also conceivable that if the tax is ruled unconstitutional the entire legislation becomes unconstitutional. So why is no one in our federal legislature, a group of people dominated by lawyers, not bringing this to the attention of the American public? Why are they manufacturing another controversy over a budget they have not passed in 5 years, a continuing resolution that adds to our national debt and the pending debt ceiling increase? If overturning Obamacare is the objective, our government can simply educate the people how to get this done. Chief Justice Roberts suggested the court is not obligated to save America from the consequences of elections. However, he has given us a gift. We should use it. To wait for our dysfunctional government, who spins one national crisis after the other to gain an edge during an election will not bring a speedy or reliable solution to this Obamacare induced crisis. Moreover, it will not decrease the cost of health insurance premiums. Every American who finds the government takeover of our healthcare industry (18% of our stagnant economy) can come together to challenge this law and Washington politics. Simply opt out and wait for the tax. Send a letter to your representatives telling them what you intend to do and why. Perhaps Grover Norquist's Americans for Tax Reform would provide the vehicle for bringing suit once standing is established. My sense is that Mr. Norquist would rather run for the hills, but I am sure some liberty minded not-for-profit, social welfare group exists that can pull this together. However, it must start with the citizens. An organized group of Americans, civil disobedient Americans, can take this law down. Read more at http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/10/americans-will-soon-standing-destroy-obamacare/#Mo0QTGTu10w2m1qg.99  Sad declaration you offer.
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I find this to be interesting..
Credit scores impact new Affordable Care Act insurance plans Many people signing up for health care in Florida through the Affordable Care Act have been shocked when they have to give proof of their credit score before they finish the process. Anne Packham, one of many people licensed by the state to help people navigate the government's website, said on Tuesday that the credit check occurs so providers can make an educated decision about who to insure. "If someone is defaulting on all of their bills they may not want to have them as part of their health plan," said Packham, the lead Navigator in Florida. Participants with low credit scores could end up paying higher premiums, according to Packham, who said that ultimately the insurance company makes the call. The government website healthcare.gov has regularly been bogged down, oftentimes showing users a message saying, "We have a lot of visitors on the site." http://m.clickorlando.com/news/credit-scores-impacting-new-affordable-care-act-insurance-plans/-/16721250/22341034/-/fajipoz/-/index.html |
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to each their own I don't think its 'trash' to reduce the risks of peoples lives being torn upside down from an illness or reduce the difficulty people who are actually ILL have in finding affordable healthcare or share the costs of the healthcare system which takes great hits from all the uninsured who still legally go into medical rooms and hospitals across the country to get care without any way of paying the providers,, but that's me How much will you be paying for your coverage? And the answer is.... |
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Edited by
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to each their own I don't think its 'trash' to reduce the risks of peoples lives being torn upside down from an illness or reduce the difficulty people who are actually ILL have in finding affordable healthcare or share the costs of the healthcare system which takes great hits from all the uninsured who still legally go into medical rooms and hospitals across the country to get care without any way of paying the providers,, but that's me How much will you be paying for your coverage? And the answer is.... Ironic isn't it? The ones NOT bitchin are obozo luvin freeloaders! If I complied it would cost me my business, I'm barely making it as it is. So I closed my bank account and will let them come after the tax for my non-compliance. I don't own my home, so they can't take that, no bank account now, so it can't be attacked, all personal assets have been protected or reassigned.... I wish them luck squeezing blood from this stone! |
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to each their own I don't think its 'trash' to reduce the risks of peoples lives being torn upside down from an illness or reduce the difficulty people who are actually ILL have in finding affordable healthcare or share the costs of the healthcare system which takes great hits from all the uninsured who still legally go into medical rooms and hospitals across the country to get care without any way of paying the providers,, but that's me How much will you be paying for your coverage? And the answer is.... Ironic isn't it? The ones NOT bitchin are obozo luvin freeloaders!  Not ironic at all...Me thinks that was the plan all along!
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to each their own I don't think its 'trash' to reduce the risks of peoples lives being torn upside down from an illness or reduce the difficulty people who are actually ILL have in finding affordable healthcare or share the costs of the healthcare system which takes great hits from all the uninsured who still legally go into medical rooms and hospitals across the country to get care without any way of paying the providers,, but that's me How much will you be paying for your coverage? And the answer is.... Ironic isn't it? The ones NOT bitchin are obozo luvin freeloaders!  
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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to each their own I don't think its 'trash' to reduce the risks of peoples lives being torn upside down from an illness or reduce the difficulty people who are actually ILL have in finding affordable healthcare or share the costs of the healthcare system which takes great hits from all the uninsured who still legally go into medical rooms and hospitals across the country to get care without any way of paying the providers,, but that's me How much will you be paying for your coverage? And the answer is.... Ironic isn't it? The ones NOT bitchin are obozo luvin freeloaders! Not ironic at all...Me thinks that was the plan all along!
I read an article (while I was..... waiting) during the the days of the exchanges opening, and all the glitches, and after Obozo had given his speech about how many millions of people had gone to or used the exchanges, that out of those millions, they got only 123 wno actually signed up thru them (at that time....)! I heard later there had only been a few hundred. Only 300,000,000 to go! 
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Edited by
Conrad_73
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Wed 10/09/13 07:54 AM
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The American people can stop Obamacare. It will take some guts and some risk, but we can shut it down tomorrow. Let me explain. In National Federation of Independent Business et al v. Sebelius, Secretary of Health and Human Services, et al., the Supreme Court ruled the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) penalties to be a tax, not a penalty. Chief Justice Roberts was chastised for this action. It has always been my belief that Justice Roberts's actions and opinion was brilliant and eventually history would vindicate his decision and his wisdom. Roberts gave America a skillfully crafted opinion and the opportunity to shut down the law. He also avoided having his court---a court that he will preside over until he retires or dies---from being accused of legislating from the bench; at least by liberals who were stoking the fires of discontent during the US Supreme Court Obamacare hearings. The U.S. Constitution's Origination Clause (Art. I, Sec 7) require all tax bills to originate in the House of Representatives. Obamacare or the Affordable Care Act originated in the Senate making the laws tax unconstitutional. No argument was made over the penalty provision of the law. Only that the laws mandate was unconstitutional. All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills. --Article 1, Section 7 No one thought to argue that the penalties were in fact a tax. During the legislative process, the Democrats fought long and hard to convince Americans that they "would not be taxed." Remember? Democrats and the liberal media told the country---repeatedly--that people who did not sign up would pay a penalty, not a tax. Chief Justice Roberts has set the stage, for what I believe, can be a massive citizen effort to bring suit to overturn the heart and soul of Obamacare legislation for the enforcement of the illegal tax provision of the law. So why has this provision of Obamacare gone unchallenged? To bring a successful suit seeking remedy from a court, the party or parties to the suit must have legal standing. Basically, a plaintiff must show that they have suffered some direct or substantial injury or be likely to suffer such injury if a particular wrong is not redressed. Moreover, a defendant must also be shown to be the party responsible for perpetrating the alleged wrongdoing. Without standing, a case has no merit and more than likely would be dismissed. I offer the recent Supreme Court ruling on Hollingsworth vs. Perry, or what is commonly called the California's Proposition 8 Same Sex Marriage ban. In this case, the Supreme Court ruled that it did not have the authority to hear the plaintiff's case, because the majority of justices agreed the plaintiff did not incur "concrete and particularized injury." In other words, they had no standing to sue. Consequently, the case was not considered. To date, no American has suffered "concrete and particularized injury" from Obamacare taxes. No one has been taxed yet. Therefore, no injury has occurred, and no standing can be proven. So, no suit has been brought to challenge the Obamacare tax as illegal. Without the penalty, which is now a tax, the law has no teeth. None. It can simply be ignored. It is also conceivable that if the tax is ruled unconstitutional the entire legislation becomes unconstitutional. So why is no one in our federal legislature, a group of people dominated by lawyers, not bringing this to the attention of the American public? Why are they manufacturing another controversy over a budget they have not passed in 5 years, a continuing resolution that adds to our national debt and the pending debt ceiling increase? If overturning Obamacare is the objective, our government can simply educate the people how to get this done. Chief Justice Roberts suggested the court is not obligated to save America from the consequences of elections. However, he has given us a gift. We should use it. To wait for our dysfunctional government, who spins one national crisis after the other to gain an edge during an election will not bring a speedy or reliable solution to this Obamacare induced crisis. Moreover, it will not decrease the cost of health insurance premiums. Every American who finds the government takeover of our healthcare industry (18% of our stagnant economy) can come together to challenge this law and Washington politics. Simply opt out and wait for the tax. Send a letter to your representatives telling them what you intend to do and why. Perhaps Grover Norquist's Americans for Tax Reform would provide the vehicle for bringing suit once standing is established. My sense is that Mr. Norquist would rather run for the hills, but I am sure some liberty minded not-for-profit, social welfare group exists that can pull this together. However, it must start with the citizens. An organized group of Americans, civil disobedient Americans, can take this law down. Read more at http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/10/americans-will-soon-standing-destroy-obamacare/ |
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to each their own I don't think its 'trash' to reduce the risks of peoples lives being torn upside down from an illness or reduce the difficulty people who are actually ILL have in finding affordable healthcare or share the costs of the healthcare system which takes great hits from all the uninsured who still legally go into medical rooms and hospitals across the country to get care without any way of paying the providers,, but that's me How much will you be paying for your coverage? And the answer is.... Ironic isn't it? The ones NOT bitchin are obozo luvin freeloaders! Not ironic at all...Me thinks that was the plan all along!
I read an article (while I was..... waiting) during the the days of the exchanges opening, and all the glitches, and after Obozo had given his speech about how many millions of people had gone to or used the exchanges, that out of those millions, they got only 123 wno actually signed up thru them! Can't wait to see how "the team" plans to enforce their law....Going to be very interesting.... |
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to each their own I don't think its 'trash' to reduce the risks of peoples lives being torn upside down from an illness or reduce the difficulty people who are actually ILL have in finding affordable healthcare or share the costs of the healthcare system which takes great hits from all the uninsured who still legally go into medical rooms and hospitals across the country to get care without any way of paying the providers,, but that's me How much will you be paying for your coverage? And the answer is.... Ironic isn't it? The ones NOT bitchin are obozo luvin freeloaders! Not ironic at all...Me thinks that was the plan all along!
I read an article (while I was..... waiting) during the the days of the exchanges opening, and all the glitches, and after Obozo had given his speech about how many millions of people had gone to or used the exchanges, that out of those millions, they got only 123 wno actually signed up thru them! Can't wait to see how "the team" plans to enforce their law....Going to be very interesting.... They are hiring (was it 5,000) new IRS agents because of obozocare.... Can somebody tell me how the IRS is going to help in a making healthcare affordable, or solve any medical issues you might have? |
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Edited by
Conrad_73
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http://americanoverlook.com/security-expert-obamacare-is-hackers-wet-dream/104875
Security Expert: Obamacare Is a Hacker's Wet Dream. John McAfee, the founder of McAfee security, said the Obamacare website is a hacker's wet dream that will cause the loss of income for the millions of Americans who are going to lose their identities. McAfee explained that the website's security is so permeable that hackers can set up fake websites that trick people into believing their signing up for Obamacare. These fake websites will steal the identities, including financial and medical information, of enrollees. It's seriously bad. Somebody made a grave error, not in designing the program, but in simply implementing the web aspect of it, McAfee said. For example, anybody can put up a web page and claim to be a broker for this system. There is no central place where I can go and say, Okay, here are all the legitimate brokers, examiners for all of the states and pick and choose one, he explained. McAfee emphasized the danger in hackers stealing key pieces of information from Obamacare enrollees because it includes the most intimate questions,like What's [your] Social Security number? [Your] birth date? What are [your] health issues? McAfee criticized the website's programmers for not creating a central depository.He said because of this, the loss of enrollees income will be in the millions. It's a hacker's wet dream, McAfee said. Are you nervous about Obamacare's potential for identity theft?  
Please tell me it ain't so so! 
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