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Topic: The party that loves "freedom"
Bestinshow's photo
Tue 10/01/13 03:28 PM
Well they did it again they took a stand against affordable health care.

I would be so impressed had they shut down the government to stop the funding for the NSA and its mega domestic spying program.

msharmony's photo
Tue 10/01/13 03:37 PM
I think everyone loves 'freedom'

its not a political party issue

however, political tantrums,,,well,,,,,,I just believe whenever these 'shutdowns' happen, they should come with a stop to the congressmans paychecks,,,

bet that would encourage them to pass the budgets instead of using them as political bartering tools,,,

Bestinshow's photo
Tue 10/01/13 03:48 PM
Edited by Bestinshow on Tue 10/01/13 03:49 PM

I think everyone loves 'freedom'

its not a political party issue

however, political tantrums,,,well,,,,,,I just believe whenever these 'shutdowns' happen, they should come with a stop to the congressmans paychecks,,,

bet that would encourage them to pass the budgets instead of using them as political bartering tools,,,
I think people love the illusion of freedom. ya know I can buy a coke or a pepsi or a whopper or a big mac, but what we live in these days cant really be called free.

Bestinshow's photo
Tue 10/01/13 03:54 PM
It is almost as if people are not able to think for themselves. Nothing can be more telling of the lies we live in than this "stand" the republicans the party of "freedom" is taking. Really? every phone text and email is recorded and thats ok but give poor people a little help and they will shut down the government? Its time for some good old fashioned tar and feathers!

lilott's photo
Tue 10/01/13 04:12 PM
And the administrations paychecks.

Dodo_David's photo
Tue 10/01/13 04:43 PM

Well they did it again they took a stand against affordable health care.

I would be so impressed had they shut down the government to stop the funding for the NSA and its mega domestic spying program.


Uh, what makes you think that Obamacare will actually make health care more affordable?

TJN's photo
Tue 10/01/13 05:18 PM
After the senate rejected the bill that defunded the ACA the house passed a bill to delay implementation for a year just to be rejected by Harry Reid and the senate. Then the house passed a bill to exclude congresses exemption from the ACA and once again rejected by Reid and the senate.
I'd like to ask who are the ones not willing to compromise and work together?

Dodo_David's photo
Tue 10/01/13 05:24 PM
If the ACA is so great, then why are labor unions complaining about it?
If the ACA is so great, then why not have congressional staffers and all federal employees be a part of it?

Bestinshow's photo
Tue 10/01/13 05:38 PM
Its a start to get some regulation into this god awful for profit scam industry that we call insurance. Most expensive in the world here in Uber Umerika and ranked like 27th in terms of care, what a rip off.

no photo
Tue 10/01/13 05:40 PM

After the senate rejected the bill that defunded the ACA the house passed a bill to delay implementation for a year just to be rejected by Harry Reid and the senate. Then the house passed a bill to exclude congresses exemption from the ACA and once again rejected by Reid and the senate.
I'd like to ask who are the ones not willing to compromise and work together?


You call trying to delay the ACA trying to work together? Making Americans wait another year to be able to get health care? Please tell me how that's trying to compromise to make things better for Americans.

no photo
Tue 10/01/13 05:40 PM
Edited by singmesweet on Tue 10/01/13 05:41 PM


Well they did it again they took a stand against affordable health care.

I would be so impressed had they shut down the government to stop the funding for the NSA and its mega domestic spying program.


Uh, what makes you think that Obamacare will actually make health care more affordable?


What makes you think it won't?

Bestinshow's photo
Tue 10/01/13 05:50 PM
Its just absurd that of all the things those criminals should have taken a stand on, the wars the domestic spying the drone strikes, they choose this.......... how totally insane.

msharmony's photo
Tue 10/01/13 06:07 PM
Edited by msharmony on Tue 10/01/13 06:10 PM

If the ACA is so great, then why are labor unions complaining about it?
If the ACA is so great, then why not have congressional staffers and all federal employees be a part of it?


as to labor unions, isn't a big part of their job negotiating benefits? kind of answers itself why there would be some opposition to someone else doing it without 'dues',,,,,,lining their own coffers anymore,,,



http://www.factcheck.org/2013/05/congress-and-an-exemption-from-obamacare/

msharmony's photo
Tue 10/01/13 06:11 PM

After the senate rejected the bill that defunded the ACA the house passed a bill to delay implementation for a year just to be rejected by Harry Reid and the senate. Then the house passed a bill to exclude congresses exemption from the ACA and once again rejected by Reid and the senate.
I'd like to ask who are the ones not willing to compromise and work together?


congress has no exemption,,,

TJN's photo
Tue 10/01/13 06:23 PM


After the senate rejected the bill that defunded the ACA the house passed a bill to delay implementation for a year just to be rejected by Harry Reid and the senate. Then the house passed a bill to exclude congresses exemption from the ACA and once again rejected by Reid and the senate.
I'd like to ask who are the ones not willing to compromise and work together?


You call trying to delay the ACA trying to work together? Making Americans wait another year to be able to get health care? Please tell me how that's trying to compromise to make things better for Americans.

Like I said that was rejected by Reid. What about the offer take out the tax on medical equipment? That sounds reasonable does it not?
Oh but wait by Reid and Obama saying compromise that just means you do it our way or we shut the government down.

Bestinshow's photo
Tue 10/01/13 06:24 PM


If the ACA is so great, then why are labor unions complaining about it?
If the ACA is so great, then why not have congressional staffers and all federal employees be a part of it?


as to labor unions, isn't a big part of their job negotiating benefits? kind of answers itself why there would be some opposition to someone else doing it without 'dues',,,,,,lining their own coffers anymore,,,



http://www.factcheck.org/2013/05/congress-and-an-exemption-from-obamacare/
L Unions have given up pay increases to maintain a better medical plan. The trouble the unions have is that we may be taxed for our Cadillac plans we gave some things up for, at least that is my understanding I will wait and see how it all plays out. From what I have heard though the tax penalty will not kick in for several years.

msharmony's photo
Tue 10/01/13 06:27 PM
yes, we should give it time to start playing out, its new and big and will naturally have kinks

but in its implementation we are going to get smoke blown up the bum from all sides about what is going to or not going to happen as a result,,,

TJN's photo
Tue 10/01/13 06:29 PM


After the senate rejected the bill that defunded the ACA the house passed a bill to delay implementation for a year just to be rejected by Harry Reid and the senate. Then the house passed a bill to exclude congresses exemption from the ACA and once again rejected by Reid and the senate.
I'd like to ask who are the ones not willing to compromise and work together?


congress has no exemption,,,

No but they are given a waiver unlike the rest of us in the same income levels.

no photo
Tue 10/01/13 06:34 PM



After the senate rejected the bill that defunded the ACA the house passed a bill to delay implementation for a year just to be rejected by Harry Reid and the senate. Then the house passed a bill to exclude congresses exemption from the ACA and once again rejected by Reid and the senate.
I'd like to ask who are the ones not willing to compromise and work together?


You call trying to delay the ACA trying to work together? Making Americans wait another year to be able to get health care? Please tell me how that's trying to compromise to make things better for Americans.

Like I said that was rejected by Reid. What about the offer take out the tax on medical equipment? That sounds reasonable does it not?
Oh but wait by Reid and Obama saying compromise that just means you do it our way or we shut the government down.



That's basically what the Republicans have been saying. And they shut down the government. Job well done, GOP! Show the world you can't work with Obama no matter what, even at the expense of Americans' health and now their paychecks.

msharmony's photo
Tue 10/01/13 06:36 PM



After the senate rejected the bill that defunded the ACA the house passed a bill to delay implementation for a year just to be rejected by Harry Reid and the senate. Then the house passed a bill to exclude congresses exemption from the ACA and once again rejected by Reid and the senate.
I'd like to ask who are the ones not willing to compromise and work together?


congress has no exemption,,,

No but they are given a waiver unlike the rest of us in the same income levels.


or not

http://www.factcheck.org/2013/08/no-special-subsidy-for-congress/

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