Topic: House passes bill to slash $40B for food stamps
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Sat 09/21/13 04:35 PM



Many low income families and Elderly people receive Food stamps. This cut will hurt more than people using illegal drugs. Duh...


You might try backing up your statements before spewing false assumptions out as truths!


Like I need to back up my opinions nothing much on this forum are All real facts.


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Sun 09/22/13 05:44 AM




Many low income families and Elderly people receive Food stamps. This cut will hurt more than people using illegal drugs. Duh...


You might try backing up your statements before spewing false assumptions out as truths!


Like I need to back up my opinions nothing much on this forum are All real facts.


laugh


There are opinions. There are facts. And then there are the opinions stated as facts. laugh

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Sun 09/22/13 06:16 AM
Edited by 2KidsMom on Sun 09/22/13 06:31 AM

WASHINGTON – The House voted Thursday evening to cut nearly $40 billion in the next decade from the country's food stamp assistance program.

The 217-210 vote was a major victory for Majority Leader Eric Cantor of Virginia and largely cast along party lines. All House Democrats and 15 Republicans voted against slashing the budget for the program.

Despite its passage in the House, the bill is unlikely to make it through the Democrat-controlled Senate.

The bill's savings would be achieved by allowing states to put broad new work requirements in place for many food stamp recipients and to test applicants for drugs. The bill also would end government waivers that have allowed able-bodied adults who don't have dependents to receive food stamps indefinitely.

Conservatives have said the program has become bloated. More than 47 million Americans are now on food stamps, and the program's cost more than doubled in the last five years as the economy struggled through the Great Recession.

Finding a compromise -- and the votes -- to scale back the feeding program has been difficult.

Conservatives have insisted on larger cuts, Democrats have opposed any cuts, and moderate Republicans from areas with high food stamp usage have been wary of efforts to slim the program.

"I think the cuts are too drastic and too draconian," said Rep. Michael Grimm, R-N.Y. He represents Staten Island, which was hard hit by Hurricane Sandy last year. "Those that really need the program will suffer," he said.

Ahead of Thursday's vote, House GOP leaders reached out to moderates to ensure their support while anti-hunger groups have similarly worked to garner opposition to the cuts.

The food stamp legislation is the House's effort to finish work on a wide-ranging farm bill, which has historically included both farm programs and food stamps. The House Agriculture Committee approved a combined bill earlier this year, but it was defeated on the floor in June after conservatives revolted, saying the cuts to food stamps weren't high enough. That bill included around $2 billion in cuts annually.

After the farm bill defeat, Republican leaders split the legislation in two and passed a bill in July that included only farm programs. They promised the food stamp bill would come later, with deeper cuts.

Republicans have emphasized that the bill targets able-bodied adults who don't have dependents. And they say the broader work requirements in the bill are similar to the 1996 welfare law that led to a decline in people receiving that government assistance.

"Politically it's a great issue," says Rep. Tim Huelskamp, R-Kan., one of the conservatives who has pushed for the larger cuts. "I think most Americans don't think you should be getting something for free, especially for the able-bodied adults."

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said Tuesday that Democrats are united against the bill.

"Maybe I'm just hoping for divine intervention, but I really do believe that there are enough Republicans that will not identify themselves with such a brutal cut in feeding the American people," Pelosi said at a news conference.

On Wednesday, President Obama threatened to veto any bill that made deeper cuts than the Senate version.





I'm glad..I work my a s s off.my 40 every week.
When I ask the state for assistance a few years back
I was told no...only if I quit my job sold my car??? I said really???
I said I just need a little help.I needed food n milk for james..just a little help..i always pay bills first..i can remember just not quite having enough..no child support..is when.james was a little boy at the time
He just turned 17.I've been on my same job 21 years. full time.
Pisses me off..There are people here..that can work..they just
Won't.. they want to get high and lay on their a s s.while everything is handed to
Them.free.and if they run out...they will beg borrow or steal.

I agree there are a FEW that really need it..elderly and children.

But the rest are no good a s s. Scammers.
Jmo

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Sun 09/22/13 06:51 AM
It is a $75 to $80 billion dollar a year program.

I would bet that less than half that money is actually spent by recipients..

$4 billion a year out of a program this size is not going to starve kids or the elderly.

So the liberal cries to the contrary are just the typical fearmongering that has become a staple of their policy making.

If you can't label someone a racist accuse them of hating poor kids or the elderly..


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Sun 09/22/13 07:05 AM
now let's hope they put what is left to good use with People who really have need of the Program!
























































Not holding my Breath though!

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Sun 09/22/13 07:15 AM

now let's hope they put what is left to good use with People who really have need of the Program!

Not holding my Breath though!


What ever you don't hold your breath!:tongue: And don't you dare define the majority of food stamp recipients either!scared



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Sun 09/22/13 07:19 AM
Edited by InvictusV on Sun 09/22/13 07:20 AM
crazy stuff

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Sun 09/22/13 07:21 AM

crazy stuff



:thumbsup: Yep....

Conrad_73's photo
Sun 09/22/13 07:42 AM


now let's hope they put what is left to good use with People who really have need of the Program!

Not holding my Breath though!


What ever you don't hold your breath!:tongue: And don't you dare define the majority of food stamp recipients either!scared



well,not for me to decide who would qualify,but I know the propensity of Politicians for Cronyism,and those who really could use some assistance usually all what they can do is suck their Thumb in lieu of Groceries!grumble

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Sun 09/22/13 07:47 AM



now let's hope they put what is left to good use with People who really have need of the Program!

Not holding my Breath though!


What ever you don't hold your breath!:tongue: And don't you dare define the majority of food stamp recipients either!scared



well,not for me to decide who would qualify,but I know the propensity of Politicians for Cronyism,and those who really could use some assistance usually all what they can do is suck their Thumb in lieu of Groceries!grumble


Sad but true and as the needy remain needy, those capable of working choose to work the system.....

Conrad_73's photo
Sun 09/22/13 07:50 AM




now let's hope they put what is left to good use with People who really have need of the Program!

Not holding my Breath though!


What ever you don't hold your breath!:tongue: And don't you dare define the majority of food stamp recipients either!scared



well,not for me to decide who would qualify,but I know the propensity of Politicians for Cronyism,and those who really could use some assistance usually all what they can do is suck their Thumb in lieu of Groceries!grumble


Sad but true and as the needy remain needy, those capable of working choose to work the system.....
:thumbsup: yes,it's really sad!

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Sun 09/22/13 04:52 PM

It is a $75 to $80 billion dollar a year program.

I would bet that less than half that money is actually spent by recipients..

$4 billion a year out of a program this size is not going to starve kids or the elderly.

So the liberal cries to the contrary are just the typical fearmongering that has become a staple of their policy making.

If you can't label someone a racist accuse them of hating poor kids or the elderly..




And then accuse them of being a racist for good measure!

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Sun 09/22/13 06:35 PM



Many low income families and Elderly people receive Food stamps. This cut will hurt more than people using illegal drugs. Duh...


You might try backing up your statements before spewing false assumptions out as truths!


Like I need to back up my opinions nothing much on this forum are All real facts.


Duh.

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Mon 09/23/13 08:39 AM



now let's hope they put what is left to good use with People who really have need of the Program!

Not holding my Breath though!


What ever you don't hold your breath!:tongue: And don't you dare define the majority of food stamp recipients either!scared



well,not for me to decide who would qualify,but I know the propensity of Politicians for Cronyism,and those who really could use some assistance usually all what they can do is suck their Thumb in lieu of Groceries!grumble



the 'needy' are eligible,,,,


76% of SNAP households included a child, an elderly person, or a disabled person. These vulnerable households receive 83% of all SNAP benefits.



SNAP eligibility is limited to households with gross income of no more than 130% of the federal poverty guideline, but the majority of households have income well below the maximum: 83% of SNAP households have gross income at or below 100% of the poverty guideline ($19,530 for a family of 3 in 2013), and these households receive about 91% of all benefits. 61% of SNAP households have gross income at or below 75% of the poverty guideline ($14,648 for a family of 3 in 2013).[ii]


http://feedingamerica.org/how-we-fight-hunger/programs-and-services/public-assistance-programs/supplemental-nutrition-assistance-program/snap-myths-realities.aspx#

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Mon 09/23/13 08:52 AM
Edited by alleoops on Mon 09/23/13 08:52 AM
How bout the stores requiring ID's to match the food stamp card? Seems that would be pretty simple to do.

Duh.:tongue:

msharmony's photo
Mon 09/23/13 09:58 AM

How bout the stores requiring ID's to match the food stamp card? Seems that would be pretty simple to do.

Duh.:tongue:


like we do with debit card purchases? oh yeah,, we don't,,,


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Mon 09/23/13 10:20 AM
They do need to cut it, but they have to do a revamp of it as well so the truly needy can still get it.

The problem I have with it, is it rewards those that choose to be lazy, I know many people on it, and it is frustrating to see the ones trying to get off of it penalized for it.

Two examples, I know one person who is a single mom of 3 kids, doesn't do a damn thing, but collects enough food stamps to buy a car(yes that is right) She sells them, and then uses the cash to buy cars, doesn't have a bank, instead does everything under the table, avoiding taxes, and somehow thinks she is entitled to these benefits, she is perfectly capable of working, and her kids are old enough to stay home alone with her, but she works the system.

The second one I know is a single mom, of one kid, she works in healthcare administration, trying to get full-time work, her kid has medical issues, and she is currently on medicaid, however, they say if she gets any more hours, they are going to cut her off completely from both food stamps, and medicaid, it is actually more beneficial for her to only work part-time and let the government take care of the rest because there is a 90-day waiting period before her corporate medical benefits would kick in, and she can't afford to buy the health insurance on the salary she would be making.

So here we have one who is lazy and gets rewarded, and one who is trying to better herself and gets penalized for it.


They need to set it up where it rewards those that work, for example if someone is getting a $1000 a month in assistance, if they get a job paying $750, the government will still pay $500 a month, that way they would increase there monthly income to 1250, instead of just a $1000, instead of saying, well if you get a job paying $750, we are not paying you anything, so you'll lose the $1000 a month, who wants to work for less than they were making while doing nothing? No one, but this makes to much sense apparently so it will probably never happen.

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Mon 09/23/13 10:23 AM
Edited by isaac_dede on Mon 09/23/13 10:24 AM
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/09/02/on-labor-day-2013-welfare-pays-more-than-minimum-wage-work-in-35-states/

Conrad_73's photo
Mon 09/23/13 10:52 AM




now let's hope they put what is left to good use with People who really have need of the Program!

Not holding my Breath though!


What ever you don't hold your breath!:tongue: And don't you dare define the majority of food stamp recipients either!scared



well,not for me to decide who would qualify,but I know the propensity of Politicians for Cronyism,and those who really could use some assistance usually all what they can do is suck their Thumb in lieu of Groceries!grumble



the 'needy' are eligible,,,,


76% of SNAP households included a child, an elderly person, or a disabled person. These vulnerable households receive 83% of all SNAP benefits.



SNAP eligibility is limited to households with gross income of no more than 130% of the federal poverty guideline, but the majority of households have income well below the maximum: 83% of SNAP households have gross income at or below 100% of the poverty guideline ($19,530 for a family of 3 in 2013), and these households receive about 91% of all benefits. 61% of SNAP households have gross income at or below 75% of the poverty guideline ($14,648 for a family of 3 in 2013).[ii]


http://feedingamerica.org/how-we-fight-hunger/programs-and-services/public-assistance-programs/supplemental-nutrition-assistance-program/snap-myths-realities.aspx#
looks good on paper,ain't it?laugh

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Mon 09/23/13 11:01 AM


How bout the stores requiring ID's to match the food stamp card? Seems that would be pretty simple to do.

Duh.:tongue:


like we do with debit card purchases? oh yeah,, we don't,,,




Sometimes we do. In fact I was asked for my ID just the other day.
And I was using MY money not some one elses' money.