Topic: Teen guilty of murdering baby in stroller
Dodo_David's photo
Sat 08/31/13 10:51 AM
From the news report:

Prosecutors have said information from Elkins' mother and sister led investigators to a pond where they found the revolver. Elkins' sister also was charged with evidence tampering.

msharmony's photo
Sat 08/31/13 10:53 AM

From the news report:

Prosecutors have said information from Elkins' mother and sister led investigators to a pond where they found the revolver. Elkins' sister also was charged with evidence tampering.



I read that too,, that tells me the suspects had the weapon, not necessarily that they did the shooting or that they were the only ones involved,,,



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Sat 08/31/13 11:04 AM
http://www.mail.com/video/topvideos/2304156-teen-guilty-murdering-ga-baby-stroller.html#.7518-stage-set4-3

Elkins defense attorney

willing2's photo
Sat 08/31/13 11:51 AM
Hopefully, there's no parole and all his family that were involved get lots of time.

End of story!

karmafury's photo
Sat 08/31/13 12:19 PM

well, it wouldn't be the first time a woman blamed 'black' people for a crime she committed

or the first time one killed their own kid,, including one who had 'bipolar' disorder

and there WAS gun powder on her and the babys father
and she did give conflicting stories the day of to her daughter
and she had collected on life insurance before and lost another child to violence

so, there was enough there to pose some 'reasonabale' doubt or point to her involvement,,,,,

that's why its important if the suspects actually ADMITTED to the shooting or spoke about the circumstances/motive




Gunshot residues emitted from the muzzle will travel out to distances of approximately 3 and 5 feet in most firearms but in some cases can travel even greater distances. At the 3-5 foot range the gunshot residues may only consist of a few trace particles and make determining the firing distance difficult if not impossible.

http://www.firearmsid.com/a_distancegsr.htm


GSR can be transferred by contact. It is safe to assume that at some point there was was contact between husband and wife.

Dodo_David's photo
Sat 08/31/13 12:55 PM


From the news report:

Prosecutors have said information from Elkins' mother and sister led investigators to a pond where they found the revolver. Elkins' sister also was charged with evidence tampering.



I read that too,, that tells me the suspects had the weapon, not necessarily that they did the shooting or that they were the only ones involved,,,





huh Why would the suspects have the murder weapon if they were not responsible for the murder of the baby?

Dodo_David's photo
Sat 08/31/13 01:01 PM
well, it wouldn't be the first time a woman blamed 'black' people for a crime she committed


Well, there have been cases of black Americans making false claims of racism. So, should I suspect a black American of making a false claim if that American makes a claim of racism?

Seriously, why this desire to defend the convicted murderer?

Serchin4MyRedWine's photo
Sat 08/31/13 01:42 PM

well, it wouldn't be the first time a woman blamed 'black' people for a crime she committed


Well, there have been cases of black Americans making false claims of racism. So, should I suspect a black American of making a false claim if that American makes a claim of racism?

Seriously, why this desire to defend the convicted murderer?

Wonder if it was a black woman and her baby that got shot by two white teens and the gun was found by police in the white families home if she would be asking these questions? NOTlaugh

msharmony's photo
Sat 08/31/13 02:00 PM


well, it wouldn't be the first time a woman blamed 'black' people for a crime she committed

or the first time one killed their own kid,, including one who had 'bipolar' disorder

and there WAS gun powder on her and the babys father
and she did give conflicting stories the day of to her daughter
and she had collected on life insurance before and lost another child to violence

so, there was enough there to pose some 'reasonabale' doubt or point to her involvement,,,,,

that's why its important if the suspects actually ADMITTED to the shooting or spoke about the circumstances/motive




Gunshot residues emitted from the muzzle will travel out to distances of approximately 3 and 5 feet in most firearms but in some cases can travel even greater distances. At the 3-5 foot range the gunshot residues may only consist of a few trace particles and make determining the firing distance difficult if not impossible.

http://www.firearmsid.com/a_distancegsr.htm


GSR can be transferred by contact. It is safe to assume that at some point there was was contact between husband and wife.


husband and wife were estranged, she had an order out against him for stalking her in fact

so yeah,,its POSSIBLE reside can be from being in the vicinity ot contact

its also possible that it can be from being present during or involved in a shooting,,,

msharmony's photo
Sat 08/31/13 02:02 PM



From the news report:

Prosecutors have said information from Elkins' mother and sister led investigators to a pond where they found the revolver. Elkins' sister also was charged with evidence tampering.



I read that too,, that tells me the suspects had the weapon, not necessarily that they did the shooting or that they were the only ones involved,,,





huh Why would the suspects have the murder weapon if they were not responsible for the murder of the baby?



that's what I don't know dod
I did not watch the trial

ONE suspect had the revolver

'involvement' could range from random burglary, to conspiracty to cover up a crime involving the weapon

their 'involvement' from my perspective is the detail that I am not clear on and that , having not watched the case,

Im not sure how it was determined it was as the shooters, acting alone

as opposed to some other reason


willing2's photo
Sat 08/31/13 02:03 PM
Trial's over.

Yer fantasy play don't work.

Anyone else know how much time the mama and sister might get?

msharmony's photo
Sat 08/31/13 02:06 PM

well, it wouldn't be the first time a woman blamed 'black' people for a crime she committed


Well, there have been cases of black Americans making false claims of racism. So, should I suspect a black American of making a false claim if that American makes a claim of racism?

Seriously, why this desire to defend the convicted murderer?


seriously, why this desire to defend a set free murderer? (Zimmerman)

Im not defending anyone, Im stating rather clearly that I don't know what happened or what evidence was presented given that I didn't
WATCH THE TRIAL

I suspected, from the womans OWN DAUGHTER BEING SUSPICIOUS OF HER, and the FACTS That she had residue on her and her estranged husband who was allegedly not there AND that she had changed her version of the story with her daughter

that the MOTHER might be another who conveniently found a way to get rid of her child and pin it on someone else

obviously if one has admitted to involvement, he was involved,
Im only curious about whether he acted alone or with the other suspect

with some other suspect

or in conspiracy with the parents,,,

anyone involved should be in jail,,,,

msharmony's photo
Sat 08/31/13 02:08 PM


well, it wouldn't be the first time a woman blamed 'black' people for a crime she committed


Well, there have been cases of black Americans making false claims of racism. So, should I suspect a black American of making a false claim if that American makes a claim of racism?

Seriously, why this desire to defend the convicted murderer?

Wonder if it was a black woman and her baby that got shot by two white teens and the gun was found by police in the white families home if she would be asking these questions? NOTlaugh


the gun wasn't found in a home but in a lake NEAR THE HOME
there were two suspects , ONE whose family knew where the gun was

and if it was the same scenario, with NO EYEWITNESS< and both parents having gun residue on them and their own KID suspicious they might be involved,,,

yes,, Id be asking the same question

this isn't anything to do with racism,, its just to do with people finding ways to excuse their own involvement in something by giving the 'it was a black man' defense which seems to automatically get them the benefit of the doubt,,,

no photo
Sat 08/31/13 02:28 PM

Trial's over.

Yer fantasy play don't work.

Anyone else know how much time the mama and sister might get?

laugh

no photo
Sat 08/31/13 02:30 PM

Trial's over.

Yer fantasy play don't work.

Anyone else know how much time the mama and sister might get?


laugh

no photo
Sat 08/31/13 02:31 PM
I think that we will have to wait until the appeal trial to find out answers.

Serchin4MyRedWine's photo
Sat 08/31/13 02:34 PM

I think that we will have to wait until the appeal trial to find out answers.

yeah we'll all be old and grey by the time all appeals are exhausted!
wait..I'm already old and greysurprised

no photo
Sat 08/31/13 02:36 PM


I think that we will have to wait until the appeal trial to find out answers.

yeah we'll all be old and grey by the time all appeals are exhausted!
wait..I'm already old and greysurprised


Times up! laugh

msharmony's photo
Sat 08/31/13 02:43 PM

I think that we will have to wait until the appeal trial to find out answers.



I doubt appeals will be granted, like many trials,, the questions will just linger......

there may be some books written about evidence not permitted now that trial is over though,,,



Conrad_73's photo
Sat 08/31/13 02:44 PM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Sat 08/31/13 02:46 PM
http://www.mail.com/news/us/2295686-witness-man-accused-killing-ga-baby-gun.html#.2303406-stage-related1-4

MARIETTA, Ga. (AP) — A man accused of fatally shooting a baby in coastal Georgia hid a gun at a relative's apartment the day after the slaying, and his mother and sister came to get it, a woman who lives in the home said Monday.

Danielle Williams testified that De'Marquise Elkins came to her home March 22, the day after 13-month-old Antonio Santiago was shot to death in his stroller, and asked if he could hide a gun under a loveseat. Later that day, Elkins' mother and sister came by the apartment and left with the gun, Williams said.

Williams' father-in-law, Ronald Elkins, who said he's a third cousin of De'Marquise Elkins, testified he was sleeping that morning and was awakened by noise. He went downstairs and found Karimah and Sabrina Elkins — De'Marquise Elkins' mother and sister, respectively — lifting the loveseat and pulling out a gun.

Concerned for his young grandchild in the home, Ronald Elkins took the revolver, emptied the bullets and returned the gun and bullets to Karimah Elkins, he said. Prosecutors say 18-year-old De'Marquise Elkins and an accomplice, 15-year-old Dominique Lang, stopped Antonio's mother, Sherry West, as she returned home from the post office with her son. Prosecutors say the older teen pointed a small .22-caliber revolver at West and demanded money. West did not immediately hand over her purse, and the child was shot. West was shot in her leg, and another bullet grazed her ear.

The killing in the port city of Brunswick drew national attention, and the trial was moved to the Atlanta suburb of Marietta because of extensive publicity. Elkins faces life in prison if convicted of murder. At the time of the shooting he was 17, too young to face the death penalty under Georgia law.

Prosecutors have said information from Elkins' mother and sister led investigators to a pond where they found the revolver. Karimah Elkins is on trial alongside her son on charges of evidence tampering and lying to police. Elkins' sister also was charged with evidence tampering.

Willie Merrell, who described himself as a good friend of Karimah Elkins, testified that he picked up Karimah and Sabrina Elkins the day after the shooting and took them to a fishing pond where he catches bass. At one point, Merrell heard a splash but didn't see anything, he testified.

A diver with the Emergency Management Agency and a police captain both testified that a small .22-caliber revolver with an empty chamber was pulled from that same fishing pond a few days later. Brian Leppard, a firearms expert with the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, testified the bullets that hit West and her son were made by different manufacturers and had different coatings, but he said they could have been fired from the same gun. He also testified that they could have been fired from the gun pulled from the pond.

On cross-examination by attorney Kevin Gough, Leppard said it was also possible the bullets were fired from different guns. Gough mentioned the possibility of a domestic dispute and his questions seemed intended to bolster a suggestion that the real killers are the child's own parents.

Prosecutors said they expect to wrap up their case Tuesday, and West will likely testify. The defense attorneys for Karimah and De'Marquise Elkins said they would need about two days to present their defense arguments.

Lang, the suspected accomplice, took the stand last week and testified that De'Marquise Elkins twice counted down from five and threatened the baby before the deadly shot was fired. Lang saw Elkins fire one shot at the ground and another at West's leg, and he heard a third shot but didn't see Elkins shoot the baby, he testified.

Defense attorneys challenged Lang's credibility, going through a transcript of what Lang told police the day after the shooting, pointing out some inconsistencies and getting the teen to admit to lying more than a dozen times.

Lang will be tried later.