Don't get me wrong. I am a war veteran, Vietnam. I have seen the atrocities that occur in war, and unless someone has, the picture is not so easy to paint for them. It would be impossible even with pictures to convey holding a friends guts inside of him until medics can arrive, or collecting bodies and parts after a napalm strike.

Our Constitution says "National Defense" not Global Aggression!

You used Germany as your descriptor. Why? Because the US has never been challenged or threatened with invasion.

9/11 was a cowardly and evil act, some 3000 souls perished, and there should have been retaliation, or arrests and trials, but we were not given anything so simple as that. Instead we were lied into destabilizing or destroying 2 countries, creating millions of homeless and exploited victims, killing a million Iraqis, not to mention the cost to our own country and troops for such aggression.

So who really is the bigger offender? Which rapist as you point out, is more guilty? Ours or theirs?

Because you carry a tool, do you use it to create or destroy? That is the human element, imperfect and swayed by emotion. The media plays on that emotion for effect, to the benefit of those who support it! It has long ago lost its value of seeking truth to power and instead has become nothing but a machine for propaganda to promote an agenda for whoever is willing to pay the most.

We have been funding and arming our enemy from one country, to destroy our enemy in another. And this seems sane to you? It is the war mentality. Victory at any cost. It has worked so well in Iraq that we have now turned it into an Al Queda breeding ground where it was not before, and those terrorists, the Al Nusra Front, are now trying to remove Assad to take over Syria as well! So which bad guy do we like the best, and how much have we accomplished in actual democracy or peace to either of these nations?

What of the innocent civilians? Does killing or victimizing a few million more help in some way?

So I still disagree with your assessment of this!

You point out some interesting things so I'll try to expand on this.
First, we were invaded during WW2...the attack on pearl Harbor along with something most don't know about, the invasion and occupying by the Japanese on Alaskan Islands.

Now, let's look at the FACTS about Vietnam, Yes war is always brutal and as you say many of our soldiers were killed and maimed. But let's look at what happened AFTER we left. Over @ 10 years we lost @60,000 troops in the war. In the first 9 months After we left 6 million innocent men,women and children were slaughtered in Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam! In Cambodia, 3 million were killed in the first 6 months! Everyone with anything over a high school education was executed. Thousands more died in refugee camps and trying to get to Thailand or the Philippines.
This is what happens when we withdraw from standing up for human dignity.
The main problem with the Vietnam war was the Democrats in Congress from the early 60's on made it a war we couldn't win by limiting our troops ability to keep the territories it won through battles and advance into N Vietnam. After our blood was shed taking over a Vietcong strong hold, we would then withdraw and have to do the same thing over and over. That cost us many lives and eventually cost millions of innocent lives at the end.
As for other "wars", look at the Serbian- Croatia-Kosovo conflict where thousands were being ethnically cleansed, now there is relative peace.
Kuwait was invaded by Iraq, thousands were being killed, raped and tortured, now there is peace.
Libya was exporting terrorism all over the world in the early 80's and Reagan bombed Qaddafi out of his tent and he hid in a closet for the next 20 years.
I'm not saying war is always the best answer, but to deny that in this world with it's brutal dictators, thugs and terrorists it is sometimes the only way to keep the peace!
One last thought, We are the ONLY country in the history of the world that does NOT keep territory gained in a war! We help and get out unlike EVERY other country.

If you live or rule by the sword, what outcome do you expect?

As for your last comment......at what cost? I think you pretty much explained that above!

Yes, saving 6 million innocent lives in just the first 9 months(many more after that) would have been worth 60,000 troops over 10 years(considering it would have been much less if we actually wanted to save those millions).

My Constitution says "Promote the general welfare and provide for the common defense". It doesn't say pick winners and losers in foreign lands and bomb the rest!

So you feel that if we the people rise up against an oppressive gov't it's ok for Russia or China to come in here and set us straight?

You can't have it both ways!

My Constitution says "Promote the general welfare and provide for the common defense". It doesn't say pick winners and losers in foreign lands and bomb the rest!

So you feel that if we the people rise up against an oppressive gov't it's ok for Russia or China to come in here and set us straight?

You can't have it both ways!

One last thought on your blind isolationism. If we are to completely ignore everything happening else where and only "Promote the general welfare and provide for the common defense". I guess you would feel completely safe if China and Russia took over every country including Canada and Mexico and sat on our borders.

You would not be living in the U.S.A. if France and Spain did not help us in our first war against the British, we would still be a British colony!

The threat of encroaching entities to our nearest borders would indeed and could indeed, be perceived as a threat to our national security.

So how many countries must they enslave and plunder, and how close do they get before you draw your red line?

When they threaten America or they seek our help thru our congress!

The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan both went through congress....

Speaking of Obomo's failed foreign policies. He's about to poke stick into a hornets nest. He doesn't know what he is doing. For what? Crossing a stupid red line that he made up?

Didn't Jeremiah Wright teach him that the chickens would one day come home to roost? Oh, that's right, he wasn't listening.