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Topic: is everybody n prison bad? does tht mean we're all good?
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Tue 08/20/13 10:12 PM
Edited by KiK2me on Tue 08/20/13 10:15 PM
And you don't know a thing about civility and JUSTICE

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Especially if you buy into that "Everyone" deserves a second chance s h i t...

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Tue 08/20/13 10:21 PM
Of course, because civility and justice is never wrong...

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Wed 08/21/13 12:26 AM
Someone said murderers, rapist, baby killers r n prison. True enough they r, but one thing I noticed is that when most ppl talk prison, they want to go straight to the worst of the worst cases or ppl, and never get around to the ppl who deserve a second chance. Let's talk about those who have transformed their lives first for a change and get to the worst of the worst second.

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Wed 08/21/13 12:46 AM

Prison is a place where someone is locked down almost all of the day in a cell or open space with other inmates; naturally, one can assume they would utilize that time to become more intelligent...In multiple different areas. Just as someone can go into prison a criminal and come out a scholar, more often than not they go into prison and are released only to commit more crime and more often than not crimes more serious than they were previously convicted of.

The problem isn't the system, the problem is the society. I think the problem is a lot bigger than geography or finances; we can't analyze a space shuttle exploding without every fragment of evidence, just as an analogy. The limited view that the prison system is flawed due to funds, or politics, even location; is a largely limited one taking into account the apparent "High" society that surrounds the problem.

New Zealand has almost no crime at all if not no crime at all, Canada has limited crimes that nowhere touch the violent and vicious intent of other American countries crime's. America is a continent, why, then, is it that in the North there is almost no violent crime to speak of, and yet in the middle, South, and virtually everywhere else on the continent is victim of crime in the upwards of nearly 20,000 murders with a firearm?

The problem; I propose, is not the victim or the perpetrator...No, that isn't the problem, the problem is simple...The problem is us.

No crime in New Zealand? Are u serious? Ever heard of police 10/7? .. Every single place on this earth where there is people there is crime.. Simple.

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Wed 08/21/13 06:48 AM


Prison is a place where someone is locked down almost all of the day in a cell or open space with other inmates; naturally, one can assume they would utilize that time to become more intelligent...In multiple different areas. Just as someone can go into prison a criminal and come out a scholar, more often than not they go into prison and are released only to commit more crime and more often than not crimes more serious than they were previously convicted of.

The problem isn't the system, the problem is the society. I think the problem is a lot bigger than geography or finances; we can't analyze a space shuttle exploding without every fragment of evidence, just as an analogy. The limited view that the prison system is flawed due to funds, or politics, even location; is a largely limited one taking into account the apparent "High" society that surrounds the problem.

New Zealand has almost no crime at all if not no crime at all, Canada has limited crimes that nowhere touch the violent and vicious intent of other American countries crime's. America is a continent, why, then, is it that in the North there is almost no violent crime to speak of, and yet in the middle, South, and virtually everywhere else on the continent is victim of crime in the upwards of nearly 20,000 murders with a firearm?

The problem; I propose, is not the victim or the perpetrator...No, that isn't the problem, the problem is simple...The problem is us.

No crime in New Zealand? Are u serious? Ever heard of police 10/7? .. Every single place on this earth where there is people there is crime.. Simple.


Wasn't the point of the post.

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Wed 08/21/13 06:49 AM
Edited by FearandLoathing on Wed 08/21/13 06:50 AM
And I said "Almost no crime" as I wasn't entirely sure, but it certainly is nowhere near 20,000 homicides, which for a bit there was more than Columbia...You know? The country owned by the cartel?

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Wed 08/21/13 07:04 AM
if someone is in prison it is not because they are good or bad. it is because they have broken the law with a serious enough offense to land in jail. The result of their choices, except for the criminally insane who are a category of their own.

Let's not forget that for many, if not most, of those crimes, there are also victims. Let's not forget them. They also have a right to live their lives peacefully. Just don't invite any arsonists to yuor campfire lol

What you do with your life in prison and when you get out is entirely up to you. But I think sometimes prisons get it wrong. Perpetrators who may spend a lot of time inside justifying their crimes aregoing nowhere. Instead of that why not make a life commitment to restitution, be it financial over a period of time, or volunteer work to help special groups or causes in need.

Anything one does to improve is worth doing....if it takes prison life for some to do that....well...it is what it is, I guess

Good luck to the OP and others who have been in jail and God Bless. Here's my good thought You will make positive and constructive choices now, moving forward :)

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Wed 08/21/13 07:21 AM

And I said "Almost no crime" as I wasn't entirely sure, but it certainly is nowhere near 20,000 homicides, which for a bit there was more than Columbia...You know? The country owned by the cartel?

But ur not taking into account the population difference in the 2 countries (NZ and Columbia).. Nor the high profile of the cartel.. Can't compare the crime statistics of a 3rd world country to somewhere like Australia or NZ. Yes we don't have as much murders down here but we also don't have a massive population either. I bet if we had as much pop with a terrible government we would be just as high.. Luckily we are somewhat sheltered away from all you violent animals.. laugh
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Wed 08/21/13 07:55 AM
I've never been in prison myself. However, I do believe that there is probably a small number of inmates who are innocent of the crime of which they were convicted. I also believe there is an overwhelming percentage who, though known by friends and family to be a gentle person, were driven to commit horrific acts of violence by agents of Satan known as TORMENTING SPIRITS. Why? Because God had pre-ordained these people to do something wonderful in their lives, things which were a threat to Satan. Possessing others near the future inmate w/ these spirits so they might torment the victim, forcing him/her to violently snap, thereby becoming incarcerated and/or executed for their crimes is a way for the devil to take them out.

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Wed 08/21/13 08:21 AM


And I said "Almost no crime" as I wasn't entirely sure, but it certainly is nowhere near 20,000 homicides, which for a bit there was more than Columbia...You know? The country owned by the cartel?

But ur not taking into account the population difference in the 2 countries (NZ and Columbia).. Nor the high profile of the cartel.. Can't compare the crime statistics of a 3rd world country to somewhere like Australia or NZ. Yes we don't have as much murders down here but we also don't have a massive population either. I bet if we had as much pop with a terrible government we would be just as high.. Luckily we are somewhat sheltered away from all you violent animals.. laugh
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Lost in translation...Although I didn't actually put the information in. The United States has a homicide rate that rivals Columbia, among a number of other 3rd world nations.

And I can compare the crime statistics for the United States to other third world countries, because we always go on and on here about how great our country is without any real comparison to other first-world countries that have hardly any violent crimes...If we wanted to compare solely off population we could use China, a country that hardly really sees any violent crime but the market for white-collar crime is pretty high with counterfeit money and what have you.

I mean, I can go on and on with comparisons to countries of equal or greater populations, land mass, urban trends, music charts hell, even popularity of violent video games in social culture. The point still comes down to simply this: I want us to want more.

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