1. the point is to TRY to make it right, the possibility of it being WRONG however exists whenever there is a human element, as is evidenced by how many 'guilty' people have later been set free from new dna evidence procedures,,,so , like I was saying, six people coming back with a verdict, doesn't automataically mean the verdict is right or true,,,
i agree that there are some guilty people who get off, and some innocent people who get convicted. i don't think the percentage of either of those is enough to say the system doesn't work and needs to be changed. in this case, the police originally thought there was no reason or not enough reason to charge zimmerman. some people protested and the mob ruled. zimmerman was charged. a fair trial was held (or as fair as could be) and zimmerman was found not guilty. so your point of trying to make it right is taken

2. yep, I could be dismissed, or I could NOT be dismissed and still come to the same conclusion not because of bias but because of evidence and testimony and jury instructions regarding murder and manslaughter and justifiable homicide,, as I clearly explained already
that is the problem. you are bias because you relate to martin from your past experience. you wouldn't give zimmerman a fair shake from the get go. in your view zimmerman is guilty before you even hear any evidence. a hung jury would still be in zimmerman's favor
3. the story is believable because it lines up with what the DEFENSE witness claimed to see AND because the prosecution witness DIDNT seem to mince words about the vulgarity that was used on the phone it makes it less likely that she would lie about the language through the rest of the call,,,she didn't try to paint an 'innocent' picture like the defense witnesses did,,,she was a witness that I would believe because of her non professional, non sugar coated testimony,,,
her testimony wasn't believable because she lied. if she spoke in the queen's english, her testimony would still not be credible
'wht are you doing here' after someone has been following you in car and on foot and you have asked why they are following you,, COUPLED with a gesture like reaching for something (a gun) or grabbing you (making sure you don't 'get away',, IS MORE THAN ENOUGH for me and everyone I know to feel in enough danger to start fighting,,,
you are reaching for something. what are you doing here is not considered threatening coming from anyone. where do you come up with the reaching for a gun or grabbing? who's story is that?

the call could terminate for any number of reasons, its a cell phone, nothing odd about that,,,,
what is odd is the thought of the cell phone falling and still working long enough for her to hear martin say "get off me". if the phone survived the fall, then the call wouldn't terminate until someone pressed a button on the phone to end the call

4. the story doesn't line up with what the witness saw,, 'tussle' verticle doesn't mean STANDIG face to face, it means a physical contact between two people,,, not a SUCKER punch that knocks one down,,,watch the tape, his original story said nothing about standing face to face, but that t was about a foot or two away when he asked him if he had a problem and THEN all of a sudden hit him,, NO TUSSLE mentioned by Z as his witness claimed to have FIRST seen, before there was any fight on the ground,,,,
you are right, a verticle tussle would be a standing struggle. thing is the evidence doesn't support that. shouldn't grabbing at someone leave something underneath your fingernails?
the lack of wounds would mean it was probably not an 'MMA STYLE' beating, the lack of anything but knicks on Zs head would mean to me his head impacted the concrete due to the fight happening atop it,, but NOT that anyone 'slammed' it into the concrete
you could be right. if martin was a child as you like to claim, he may not have been strong enough to slam zimmerman's head into the concrete. the problem is zimmerman did have injury to his head, so martin had to be strong enough to overpower zimmerman, even if just to scrape zimmerman's head on the concrete. if zimmerman wasn't strong enough to stop martin, than martin could have done anything he felt like doing. you should be familiar with the fear one has when they are being overpowered
bruising on any skin is detectable by medical examiners,, its their job,,,
if the medical examiner is always right in his job, then why isn't the jury always right in theirs? which way do you want this
those questions do matter when what the resident saw DOESNT match Zs story,,
what did the resident see? what was his angle of view? how well could he see in the rain? why didn't he assist martin and/or zimmerman? what he saw was clear enough to convince the judge or jury to not believe zimmerman's story

5. yeah, martin expressed REASONABLE concern because some strange man was watching and following him around,, yeah, Id expres concern too, without the slurs, but still REASONABLE CONCERN. and zimmermans nose could have been busted before or after the ground and it wouldn't matter if he was the clear AGGRESSOR in the situation,,, I don't find fault with ZIMMERMAN and MARTIN, cause in the end, I still believe ZIMMERMAN was the adult and MARTIN The child, ZIMMERMANS pursuit and aggressive action were unjust and inexcusable and lead to that boys death,, and MARTINS' bad judgment' seems more in line with his age and trying to survive and 'defend himself' , as the jury seemed so easy to believe Z was doing,
if martin had concern about being watched and followed, then why can't you see zimmerman had concern about a stranger in the neighborhood? zimmerman's nose could have been busted before or after the ground, but either way it had to have been martin that caused it. zimmerman's pursuit and actions were what any neighborhood watch person would do. some may not have been as aggressive, some may have been more aggressive, but either way those actions are what is expected of a neighborhood watch. martin's youth and inexperience as a child did contribute. maybe an older, wiser martin would have tried harder to talk to zimmerman or settle matters in a non violent way. live by the sword, die by the sword?
T tried so hard to avoid a confrontation,,,and didn't end up taking a life,but reacting to how someone was treating his own,,

in the end ,the 'scales of justice' were against the victim, and he didn't receive justice for his death,,, in the end assumptions about the victims character got the witness off,

wont be the first or last time
i don't know how hard martin tried to avoid a confrontation, or how hard zimmerman tried to cause one. i do know the scales of justice were not for or against either martin or zimmerman. evidence just weighed more in zimmerman's favor

It's bad enough that Obozo and Holder are trying to keep this distraction going to hide their own nefarious goings on, but the corrupt prosecutors, MSM, and the misinformed public....all perpetrating this continuing fraud, race baiting and stirring the pot of malcontent....

How can they believe they are helping

Dershowitz: Zimmerman Has Defamation Case Against Florida Prosecutor

Watch the video for sure!

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Dershowitz-zimmerman-defamation/2013/07/15/id/515150?s=al&promo_code=142E8-1

1. the point is to TRY to make it right, the possibility of it being WRONG however exists whenever there is a human element, as is evidenced by how many 'guilty' people have later been set free from new dna evidence procedures,,,so , like I was saying, six people coming back with a verdict, doesn't automataically mean the verdict is right or true,,,


2. yep, I could be dismissed, or I could NOT be dismissed and still come to the same conclusion not because of bias but because of evidence and testimony and jury instructions regarding murder and manslaughter and justifiable homicide,, as I clearly explained already

3. the story is believable because it lines up with what the DEFENSE witness claimed to see AND because the prosecution witness DIDNT seem to mince words about the vulgarity that was used on the phone it makes it less likely that she would lie about the language through the rest of the call,,,she didn't try to paint an 'innocent' picture like the defense witnesses did,,,she was a witness that I would believe because of her non professional, non sugar coated testimony,,,

'wht are you doing here' after someone has been following you in car and on foot and you have asked why they are following you,, COUPLED with a gesture like reaching for something (a gun) or grabbing you (making sure you don't 'get away',, IS MORE THAN ENOUGH for me and everyone I know to feel in enough danger to start fighting,,,


the call could terminate for any number of reasons, its a cell phone, nothing odd about that,,,,


4. the story doesn't line up with what the witness saw,, 'tussle' verticle doesn't mean STANDIG face to face, it means a physical contact between two people,,, not a SUCKER punch that knocks one down,,,watch the tape, his original story said nothing about standing face to face, but that t was about a foot or two away when he asked him if he had a problem and THEN all of a sudden hit him,, NO TUSSLE mentioned by Z as his witness claimed to have FIRST seen, before there was any fight on the ground,,,,

the lack of wounds would mean it was probably not an 'MMA STYLE' beating, the lack of anything but knicks on Zs head would mean to me his head impacted the concrete due to the fight happening atop it,, but NOT that anyone 'slammed' it into the concrete

bruising on any skin is detectable by medical examiners,, its their job,,,

those questions do matter when what the resident saw DOESNT match Zs story,,


5. yeah, martin expressed REASONABLE concern because some strange man was watching and following him around,, yeah, Id expres concern too, without the slurs, but still REASONABLE CONCERN. and zimmermans nose could have been busted before or after the ground and it wouldn't matter if he was the clear AGGRESSOR in the situation,,, I don't find fault with ZIMMERMAN and MARTIN, cause in the end, I still believe ZIMMERMAN was the adult and MARTIN The child, ZIMMERMANS pursuit and aggressive action were unjust and inexcusable and lead to that boys death,, and MARTINS' bad judgment' seems more in line with his age and trying to survive and 'defend himself' , as the jury seemed so easy to believe Z was doing,

T tried so hard to avoid a confrontation,,,and didn't end up taking a life,but reacting to how someone was treating his own,,

in the end ,the 'scales of justice' were against the victim, and he didn't receive justice for his death,,, in the end assumptions about the victims character got the witness off,

wont be the first or last time

Four Children Gunned Down in Chicago During Zimmerman Trial

In the 20-day period of the George Zimmerman trial, four minors – three teens and a five-year-old boy - were gunned down in Chicago, according to Homicide Watch Chicago, a Chicago Sun-Times publication, which details every murder that takes place in the city.

On June 28, five-year-old Sterling Sims was killed in a double murder that also claimed the life of his mother, 31-year-old Chavonne Brown. Both were shot in their apartment, and police believe the motive was robbery.

On July 1, 16-year-old Antonio Fenner was gunned down on the sidewalk next to the body of a 32-year-old man who had gang ties. No arrests were made, and no suspects have been named. Fenner’s mother believes her son was in the wrong place at the wrong time, because no one in her family knew the other victim or what Fenner’s association was to him.

On July 3, 14-year-old Damani Henard was murdered outside a high school. His body was found next a bicycle.

On July 9, 15-year-old Ed Cooper was shot and killed while spending time with friends at the park. A gunman got out of a black van and began firing as the boys ran away. Cooper was shot in the street and continued running to a vacant lot where he died.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/four-children-gunned-down-chicago-during-zimmerman-trial#sthash.TPCV5eGz.dpuf


just keep blathering away about zimmerman..

all this is part of the meta-data they keep talking about... they are studying the data in ways that show how to influence the thoughts of America, by seeing what people are chatting about on the net and phones... they study this data and come up with conclusions on what to key in to make their agenda happen. this case is a good example is what my guess is to start race riots, to secure more power over the masses...

There was a case of a white couple that was brutally and savagely killed. You never heard anything about that. Then earlier this year we had two black teenagers who shot a white infant in the face with a .22 caliber pistol. And we still have not heard anything from the NAACP, or from the media on that case as well…so I think there is a little cherry-picking here for the sake of political purposes and we need to get away from that.

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hmmm

so in these cases did they have the person responsible and set him free, and try to avoid the 'travesty' of trying those responsible?

.,,,so tired of this lame comeback,,,the point is in the REACTION,, the NON REACTION,, thats what got the press, the parents outrage over the lack of any type of JUSTICE for their sons death,,,,

the mere condition of murders happening is not what this is about,, its about how the RESPONSE changes depending upon the victim/accused dymanic,,,

Zimmerman shot in self defense. This was determined by the investigators from the beginning. Then the people, who obviously don't trust the system did not believe them and demanded he be arrested and tried. They succeeded and it was done TO APPEASE THIS LYNCH MOB.

He was tried and found not guilty. But they STILL DON'T TRUST THE SYSTEM. I get that. I don't trust the system that much either, but it is what it is and it is all we have. And it is better than a lynch mob.

They are a LYNCH MOB with mob mentality, led by the Media whores and people with agendas.

They got what they wanted, an arrest and a trial. WHAT?? Oh that's right, that's not what they wanted. They wanted to lynch the guy. They wanted to put the guy in prison. To hell with a fair trial, to hell with the courts, to hell with the law!!

Now they still want to riot. How many more people are going to get hurt or die because of this media circus?

These people who keep whining and complaining need to shut the hell up and get over it.

I ask again....What about Bradley Manning, the young hero who exposed the atrocities permitted by this administration on the citizens of foreign countries who is being persecuted quietly while the DOJ and Obozo keep the racial fires burning over this circus?

Where is the media, the outrage, the good people so upset with injustice?

What a joke!

Scream injustice for a violent banger and sleep while a hero is being persecuted!

How proud you all must be of yourselves!

And you are helping them by accusing people of being racist and putting your attention on this propaganda.

You perpetuate it by putting your attention on it and believing the B.S.

Now what is the purpose of the Media's focus on this incident when children are being killed every day in Chicago and probably a lot of other places we never hear about.

It's only because a few people organized and wrote up a petition for Zimmerman to be arrested. Well, they succeeded. He was arrested, tried and found not guilty.

Now this same group of people should rally around a few of these other cases and start screaming for justice for them, and forget about Zimmerman unless they just want to start riots and turn into a lynch mob for one man.

Journalist Assaulted By Trayvon Martin Protestors
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-69qSA3bzU


But I don't give a crap what these crazy people do. Protest, riot, or whatever, as long as they stay the hell away from me.

Some people just want chaos and violence in their lives.

Bradley manmning is a soldier, he has certain things he signed a contract for,,, certain confidences implied in his job and he is still walking to tell his story,,,

what has he to do with THIS atrocity? should the world stop discussing anything else because of the trouble he got himself into?

where is your evidence this boy was a 'banger'? more stereotyping

Im not proud of anyone,, that is also a method of trying to distract, the guilt trip

well, I will never feel guilty about discussing an atrocity, and certainly not because of the faulty logic that other tragedies happening should cause me to shy away from talking about any singular tragedy ,,,,