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Topic: what do you believe?
Conrad_73's photo
Mon 07/15/13 10:59 AM

Math is not exact...nothing is exact, if you do not believe me
look into Kurt Godel's work. there is nothing reliable, that man can say is a FACT. There is faith..the evidence of things unseen, there is reason, there is history, and there is experience. All of which is with out exact proof. So could there be a "God" ? What kind of arrogance can define a creator or personality or being or beyond being that creates worlds, water, air, ideas, and breath? I can not say that I know what "God" is ..I just know we are not, I am not, you are not, the powers that hold our money, and media are not, scientist and teachers are not. The one who knows they do NOT know is the one that knows the truth, which is unknowable
so,you want to tell me that our Technology is running on Miracles instead of Science?

Sure glad that 2 plus 2 could amount to anything instead of Four,and anything based on that presumption would still work!

Science and Technology work on Principles,NOT on Mysticism!
The musings of Physicists have a long way to go from Hypothesis to scientific Theory,so it is quite dangerous to base one's Worldview on them!

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Mon 07/15/13 11:02 AM

Math is not exact...nothing is exact, if you do not believe me
look into Kurt Godel's work. there is nothing reliable, that man can say is a FACT. There is faith..the evidence of things unseen, there is reason, there is history, and there is experience. All of which is with out exact proof. So could there be a "God" ? What kind of arrogance can define a creator or personality or being or beyond being that creates worlds, water, air, ideas, and breath? I can not say that I know what "God" is ..I just know we are not, I am not, you are not, the powers that hold our money, and media are not, scientist and teachers are not. The one who knows they do NOT know is the one that knows the truth, which is unknowable


You are wrong.

We are God.


Conrad_73's photo
Mon 07/15/13 11:04 AM

I think the question of God is objective, because to some, Science is "God" with its ever changing facts, and unreliable theory's ...it is "God" made in the image of man. There is not a proof of science, as there is not a proof for math, love..now there is not proof what so ever of love, or any other self inflicted emotion. Emotions are unprovable, unreliable, yet so called Atheists (and I say so called because they believe in the great invisible mind of mans ideas) so called Atheists are in a constants rage against what they say does not exist. Which is..to say the least..proof of their atheistic insecurity if you ask me.
actually,since the Existence of God has not been proven,it is rather a subjective Question,not an objective one!

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Mon 07/15/13 11:06 AM


Math is not exact...nothing is exact, if you do not believe me
look into Kurt Godel's work. there is nothing reliable, that man can say is a FACT. There is faith..the evidence of things unseen, there is reason, there is history, and there is experience. All of which is with out exact proof. So could there be a "God" ? What kind of arrogance can define a creator or personality or being or beyond being that creates worlds, water, air, ideas, and breath? I can not say that I know what "God" is ..I just know we are not, I am not, you are not, the powers that hold our money, and media are not, scientist and teachers are not. The one who knows they do NOT know is the one that knows the truth, which is unknowable
so,you want to tell me that our Technology is running on Miracles instead of Science?

Sure glad that 2 plus 2 could amount to anything instead of Four,and anything based on that presumption would still work!

Science and Technology work on Principles,NOT on Mysticism!
The musings of Physicists have a long way to go from Hypothesis to scientific Theory,so it is quite dangerous to base one's Worldview on them!




Everything is relative and based on perception so while you are correct in saying that science and technology work on principles, the principles are variables in the grand equation of things.



or six depending on your value of 2.

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Mon 07/15/13 11:09 AM


Math is not exact...nothing is exact, if you do not believe me
look into Kurt Godel's work. there is nothing reliable, that man can say is a FACT. There is faith..the evidence of things unseen, there is reason, there is history, and there is experience. All of which is with out exact proof. So could there be a "God" ? What kind of arrogance can define a creator or personality or being or beyond being that creates worlds, water, air, ideas, and breath? I can not say that I know what "God" is ..I just know we are not, I am not, you are not, the powers that hold our money, and media are not, scientist and teachers are not. The one who knows they do NOT know is the one that knows the truth, which is unknowable


You are wrong.

We are God.




I think you put it better than I did. drinker

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Tue 07/16/13 11:01 AM

My believe is based on something I call cyclic theory.

Nothing in the universe has a beginning nor an end. Time itself is a measure of perpetuity but let's disregard that it is a measure for a second and for the sake of this argument let's imagine time as an entity within which everything is dissolved.

Time would then also be cyclic like a complete circle if viewed two-dimensionally.

So, based on this and let's say the beginning and the end are just points along that circle and let's assume that god is the beginning and man the end, then god created man, but god as an entity was itself created by man just before that...

That's my theory, as for proof, I don't think we need it, I think that if we look at god and religion as being one and the same, then Karl Marx would be the man that put it best:

"Die Religion ist der Seufzer der bedrängten Kreatur, das Gemüth einer herzlosen Welt, wie sie der Geist geistloser Zustände ist. Sie ist das Opium des Volks."

It serves a purpose just as fire does but let's not ever put it out of context and let it become the master before ourselves because just as fire serves us when we control it, religion will too but fire that controls us, consumes until there is nothing left and at that point, what really is it's purpose.

Without a source, it also dies and there is nothing to bring it back.

Without man, religion/god for the sake of this argument also dies and there is nothing to bring that back either.

...but hey, what do I know, I may just be talking out of my rear. :wink:

My $0.02 worth.



I would like to add to the picture of the two dimensional circle of time, god as the start and man is the end. I think "god" as the singularity of all space and time. And "man" as the consciousness of the universe. I believe the universe exists at all points of this time scale, it is consciousness that exists within its own time frame. Everything, all space and time compacted into a single point would be the singularity, consciousness is the entity that rippd the singularity apart, We are actually experiencing a fragment of the singularity and "time" (the movement of matter and energy) is on its way back to the singularity. So technically we are traveling backwards through "time". Moving back towards the source (god).

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