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Topic: Egyptian Military Ousts Morsi
Conrad_73's photo
Wed 07/10/13 01:10 AM

You cannot deny what it is when you see it and hear it for yourself.


Whose denying it?

I KNOW how hate and violence is instilled. I have seen it being done ... all my life.


Violence is glorified in video games, in movies, by Hollywood, in schools, on forums etc.

Its stupid and ridiculous as I said.

But here is the question. Just because someone has been programmed to hate you, are you supposed to hate them back?

Or fear them?

People should stop worrying about who hates them or who they should fear and just get on with the business of living and doing good things. Life is too short.




Es kann der Froemmste nicht in Frieden leben,wenn es dem boesen Nachbarn nicht gefaellt!
Friedrich v. Schiller

JustDukkyMkII's photo
Wed 07/10/13 03:26 AM




I have to add that i am currently unable to copy & paste videos as proof because of a tech problem. The naysayers will just have to do their own homework and open their eyes to the truth about some muslim leaders including our president. That 2016 documentary is a good start regarding Obama. You can find the whole documentary on Youtube along with finding videos of Morsi in his own words.


As long as you don't try to make the peace you will be at war. As long as you think you have an enemy, you will be murdering him.

It's really very simple. You are your own problem; and I'm speaking not only to you personally, but to the entire human race. You can take solace in the fact that you are no worse than your hated enemy; I'm just trying to point out to you that you are no better either, so shame on you Ms Pot for calling the Kettle black.
Arab-Spring somewhat Backfired,hmmm,so now don't go blame others who have been a bit more farsighted and predicted just how Brother Morsi would turn out!laugh
sort of the Essence of that much vaunted "Arab Spring"!


ain't gone anywhere.

Oh well,might as well blame the West for that too!

Blame it for everything else!
Call it the "Western Guilt Syndrome"!slaphead

Seems it hasn't dawned on People yet,that you can't make a Democracy from an oppressive Religious/Political Doctrine!


Give it a rest. You know as well as I do that "the west" is just a bunch of bankster-controlled vassal states and that the banks want us to hate & kill (the anti-usury) muslims to keep the human race divided & looking the other way while they rob us all and rape Africa for resources.

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 07/10/13 04:10 AM





I have to add that i am currently unable to copy & paste videos as proof because of a tech problem. The naysayers will just have to do their own homework and open their eyes to the truth about some muslim leaders including our president. That 2016 documentary is a good start regarding Obama. You can find the whole documentary on Youtube along with finding videos of Morsi in his own words.


As long as you don't try to make the peace you will be at war. As long as you think you have an enemy, you will be murdering him.

It's really very simple. You are your own problem; and I'm speaking not only to you personally, but to the entire human race. You can take solace in the fact that you are no worse than your hated enemy; I'm just trying to point out to you that you are no better either, so shame on you Ms Pot for calling the Kettle black.
Arab-Spring somewhat Backfired,hmmm,so now don't go blame others who have been a bit more farsighted and predicted just how Brother Morsi would turn out!laugh
sort of the Essence of that much vaunted "Arab Spring"!


ain't gone anywhere.

Oh well,might as well blame the West for that too!

Blame it for everything else!
Call it the "Western Guilt Syndrome"!slaphead

Seems it hasn't dawned on People yet,that you can't make a Democracy from an oppressive Religious/Political Doctrine!


Give it a rest. You know as well as I do that "the west" is just a bunch of bankster-controlled vassal states and that the banks want us to hate & kill (the anti-usury) muslims to keep the human race divided & looking the other way while they rob us all and rape Africa for resources.
what you mean Give it a Rest?
Last time I checked it was a Public Forum!
But I like the Attitude!
Fit's in exactly with what I was talking about!laugh
You'll see what your Appeasement will get you!laugh

JustDukkyMkII's photo
Wed 07/10/13 04:30 AM






I have to add that i am currently unable to copy & paste videos as proof because of a tech problem. The naysayers will just have to do their own homework and open their eyes to the truth about some muslim leaders including our president. That 2016 documentary is a good start regarding Obama. You can find the whole documentary on Youtube along with finding videos of Morsi in his own words.


As long as you don't try to make the peace you will be at war. As long as you think you have an enemy, you will be murdering him.

It's really very simple. You are your own problem; and I'm speaking not only to you personally, but to the entire human race. You can take solace in the fact that you are no worse than your hated enemy; I'm just trying to point out to you that you are no better either, so shame on you Ms Pot for calling the Kettle black.
Arab-Spring somewhat Backfired,hmmm,so now don't go blame others who have been a bit more farsighted and predicted just how Brother Morsi would turn out!laugh
sort of the Essence of that much vaunted "Arab Spring"!


ain't gone anywhere.

Oh well,might as well blame the West for that too!

Blame it for everything else!
Call it the "Western Guilt Syndrome"!slaphead

Seems it hasn't dawned on People yet,that you can't make a Democracy from an oppressive Religious/Political Doctrine!


Give it a rest. You know as well as I do that "the west" is just a bunch of bankster-controlled vassal states and that the banks want us to hate & kill (the anti-usury) muslims to keep the human race divided & looking the other way while they rob us all and rape Africa for resources.
what you mean Give it a Rest?
Last time I checked it was a Public Forum!
But I like the Attitude!
Fit's in exactly with what I was talking about!laugh
You'll see what your Appeasement will get you!laugh


Quit trying to promote religious/ethnic hatred..You're too intelligent a man for that...It doesn't become you.

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 07/10/13 04:34 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Wed 07/10/13 04:42 AM







I have to add that i am currently unable to copy & paste videos as proof because of a tech problem. The naysayers will just have to do their own homework and open their eyes to the truth about some muslim leaders including our president. That 2016 documentary is a good start regarding Obama. You can find the whole documentary on Youtube along with finding videos of Morsi in his own words.


As long as you don't try to make the peace you will be at war. As long as you think you have an enemy, you will be murdering him.

It's really very simple. You are your own problem; and I'm speaking not only to you personally, but to the entire human race. You can take solace in the fact that you are no worse than your hated enemy; I'm just trying to point out to you that you are no better either, so shame on you Ms Pot for calling the Kettle black.
Arab-Spring somewhat Backfired,hmmm,so now don't go blame others who have been a bit more farsighted and predicted just how Brother Morsi would turn out!laugh
sort of the Essence of that much vaunted "Arab Spring"!


ain't gone anywhere.

Oh well,might as well blame the West for that too!

Blame it for everything else!
Call it the "Western Guilt Syndrome"!slaphead

Seems it hasn't dawned on People yet,that you can't make a Democracy from an oppressive Religious/Political Doctrine!


Give it a rest. You know as well as I do that "the west" is just a bunch of bankster-controlled vassal states and that the banks want us to hate & kill (the anti-usury) muslims to keep the human race divided & looking the other way while they rob us all and rape Africa for resources.
what you mean Give it a Rest?
Last time I checked it was a Public Forum!
But I like the Attitude!
Fit's in exactly with what I was talking about!laugh
You'll see what your Appeasement will get you!laugh


Quit trying to promote religious/ethnic hatred..You're too intelligent a man for that...It doesn't become you.
laugh
Truth hurts,ain't it?
Nothing to do with foisting Religious Hatred!
Just being realistic!

Besides,you know exactly which Factions of Islam I am talking about!

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 07/10/13 04:37 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Wed 07/10/13 04:40 AM
Nothing confuses liberals more than discovering that the tide of progress has gone out, leaving them high, dry and naked. President Obama has been beached by his backing of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. What once seemed so progressive and hip now isn’t cool at all, at home or abroad, and the Egyptian generals took their cue from the millions of protesters in Cairo. Now President Obama has to return to the idea, which may seem weird and alien in this White House, of doing only the things that advance the interests of the United States.

Mr. Obama was all but giddy, surfing on what he imagined was the tide of history only a few years ago. The hopeless Middle East appeared poised for change with the coming of the “Arab Spring,” and suddenly, like dominoes, secular regimes in Tunisia, Libya and Yemen collapsed. Hosni Mubarak’s 30-year reign came to an abrupt end. The successors to these regimes were portrayed in Washington and the West as the good guys, though a sober view would have revealed that the movement in Egypt was rooted in radical Islam, not in a yearning for liberty and true democracy.

The White House lent more than just moral support to the Muslim Brotherhood and the Arab Spring that brought about the election of Mr. Morsi and the adoption of an Islam-centric constitution in December. Mr. Obama promised to give Mr. Morsi 200 Abrams main battle tanks and 20 F-16 fighter jets, all very effective in crushing uppity seekers of a better life.

The planes and tanks weren’t delivered quickly enough. Egyptians grew less enthralled with the hope and change promised by Mr. Morsi as his nation’s hard times grew even harder. Unemployment reached 15 percent, inflation to 8.5 percent. A Zogby poll measured Mr. Morsi’s support at a pathetic 28 percent; 20 million Egyptians signed an online petition demanding his ouster.

When crowds took to the streets of Cairo on the one-year anniversary of Mr. Morsi’s inaugural, they carried banners reading, “Obama supports terrorism” and “Obama supports dictator Morsi.” Gen. Abdel Fattah el-Sissi, the chief of the Army, decreed a military takeover on July 3, forcing Mr. Obama to admit to being “deeply concerned” over the coup he wouldn’t call a coup. Doing that would trigger a cut-off of $1.3 billion in U.S. aid.

With 80 dead, a thousand injured and growing prospects of civil war, the hour grows late for the Obama administration to rediscover American interests. We’ll help him: It’s in America’s interests to favor nations that uphold similar values. This excludes Egypt, where the constitution enshrines Shariah as the basis for law, and paves the path to the kind of repressive theocracy that grips Iran.

The United States can’t take sides in every conflict in the world. Mr. Obama now suffers the error of siding with the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. Sen. John McCain and others have called for a suspension of U.S. aid to Cairo, which seems the prudent course at the moment when neither side in the argument is particularly friendly to American interests. The president must get his head out of the sand, put aside sentimental childhood memories, and recognize what Egyptians are learning. Democracy and Islamic law are not compatible.

The Washington Times

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/10/blindsided-in-egypt/

and recognize what Egyptians are learning. Democracy and Islamic law are not compatible.

SperenzaSutton's photo
Wed 07/10/13 04:45 AM
Excuse me, Why are some of u so disrespectful towards President Obama? It makes u seem so lame and stupid, calling him names and ****. wtf! Come on! RESPECT FUCCING DUE! Does dissing him or anyone put money in your pockets? Grow up already. Talking a bunch of **** on the internet. Stupessssss!mad

JustDukkyMkII's photo
Wed 07/10/13 04:45 AM








I have to add that i am currently unable to copy & paste videos as proof because of a tech problem. The naysayers will just have to do their own homework and open their eyes to the truth about some muslim leaders including our president. That 2016 documentary is a good start regarding Obama. You can find the whole documentary on Youtube along with finding videos of Morsi in his own words.


As long as you don't try to make the peace you will be at war. As long as you think you have an enemy, you will be murdering him.

It's really very simple. You are your own problem; and I'm speaking not only to you personally, but to the entire human race. You can take solace in the fact that you are no worse than your hated enemy; I'm just trying to point out to you that you are no better either, so shame on you Ms Pot for calling the Kettle black.
Arab-Spring somewhat Backfired,hmmm,so now don't go blame others who have been a bit more farsighted and predicted just how Brother Morsi would turn out!laugh
sort of the Essence of that much vaunted "Arab Spring"!


ain't gone anywhere.

Oh well,might as well blame the West for that too!

Blame it for everything else!
Call it the "Western Guilt Syndrome"!slaphead

Seems it hasn't dawned on People yet,that you can't make a Democracy from an oppressive Religious/Political Doctrine!


Give it a rest. You know as well as I do that "the west" is just a bunch of bankster-controlled vassal states and that the banks want us to hate & kill (the anti-usury) muslims to keep the human race divided & looking the other way while they rob us all and rape Africa for resources.
what you mean Give it a Rest?
Last time I checked it was a Public Forum!
But I like the Attitude!
Fit's in exactly with what I was talking about!laugh
You'll see what your Appeasement will get you!laugh


Quit trying to promote religious/ethnic hatred..You're too intelligent a man for that...It doesn't become you.
laugh
Truth hurts,ain't it?
Nothing to do with foisting Religious Hatred!
Just being realistic!


Truth is beautiful and doesn't hurt at all...It's bull$hit I find unpleasant.
I will accept upon proof of your claim that you are not promoting religious/ethnic hatred. (but so far, most of your posts appear to be falsifying that claim)
I think I'm the only one being realistic here.

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 07/10/13 06:08 AM
The 2011 Arab Spring demonstrations in Tunisia, Egypt and Libya mushroomed into a revolution, with thousands of people taking to the streets. In Egypt, the economy was faltering and people had long felt disenfranchised. With high unemployment, skyrocketing food prices and gasoline shortages prevalent, poverty plagued the country. Anger soon unleashed people eager for change.

Although a liberal secular candidate could have been chosen, the first democratic election selected Mohammed Morsi, a member of the radical Muslim Brotherhood movement, who promised freedom and prosperity.

It soon became apparent that Mr. Morsi was more interested in consolidating his power under strict Islamic tenets than developing democratic institutions. The Muslim Brotherhood had finally prevailed after 80 years of attempting to take control of Egypt, turning the clock back to a time when Islam ruled most of the Maghreb, or Northwest Africa.

I have recently visited Kenya, Mali, Ethiopia and Somaliland — areas with a rich, cultural tribal history but plagued for years with famine and strife — each struggling with fragile democratic institutions. Radical Islam emanated in recent years from North Africa, destabilizing the Sahel region. People in these countries fear that instability in Egypt and neighboring countries will increase the presence of Islamist extremists in sub-Saharan Africa.

On July 3, two days after I returned, Mr. Morsi was removed from office by military commanders after serving only one year as president. People had rebelled against Mr. Morsi’s failed policies following his inability to bring the country out of chaos. The people had hoped for a change — freedom and prosperity. Instead, Mr. Morsi dwelled on establishing an Islamic state.

Mohamed ElBaradei, the 2005 Nobel Peace Prize laureate, scholar, diplomat and liberal democratic reformer, observed, “Morsi has usurped all state powers and appointed himself Egypt’s new pharaoh, a major blow to the revolution that could have dire consequences.”

At a dinner I attended in Salt Lake City on Sept. 13, Mr. ElBaradei said that he had supported the protesters pursuing democratic reforms and the ousting of President Hosni Mubarak. The Obama administration had pressed for regime change. But Mr. ElBaradei said the United States had acted too slowly. Although Mr. Mubarak was a dictator, he was our ally for more than 30 years before being deposed and imprisoned. In Libya, Moammar Gadhafi was hunted down and killed by Islamists, and in Tunisia, Zine El Abidine Ben Ali was deposed, and forced to flee to Saudi Arabia.

Mr. Morsi was supported by the United States throughout his disastrous first year in office, even though he did not govern justly. The United States backed him, I think, out of fear of losing access to the Suez Canal, and the growing concern over honoring the Israeli Peace Accord of 1979 — more so than for building democratic institutions.

On July 4, Mr. ElBaradei stated, “In my judgment, we could not have waited even one more week. We just lost 2 years.” The regime change did not bring about stability or a better quality of life for the people. Although the deposed dictator had his detractors, there was also a more peaceful and secure environment affecting daily life.

The Obama administration embarked on regime change without an end-game plan. The election of Mr. Morsi was a win for the Muslim Brotherhood’s radical Islamic movement and a loss for liberals and secularists. Mr. Morsi almost immediately pushed to create an Islamic state ruled under Islamic law.

The State Department defended the regime change, stating, “It was the process that matters, not the ideologies of those taking part. Along the way we trained and gave guidance to the Muslim Brotherhood and other fundamentalist candidates in the electioneering process.” In reality, the Salafis and Islamists only wanted freedom to politicize their narrow theology — the orthodox tenets of Islam — which is alien to the tenets of democracy.

In the end, Mr. Morsi failed to become a tolerant and inclusive leader, having no intent on establishing democratic institutions. He became just another despot — and deposing him was the only option. The well-funded Muslim Brotherhood will not give up, as they actively seek power in the Maghreb and Arabian Peninsula.

History has proved that for revolutions in which religions interfere with the governing process, the outcome will not be a democracy. Religious zealots do not understand the guiding principles of democracy as stated by President Abraham Lincoln: “government of the people, by the people, for the people .”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/10/obamas-miscues-in-egypt/

willing2's photo
Wed 07/10/13 06:16 AM
Edited by willing2 on Wed 07/10/13 06:18 AM
Barry says he stands with what cult?

The office of the president doesn't reflect the needs or interests of Americans. Hussein is the stench at the top of the crap heap.

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