Topic: CHristians and the same sex debate
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Mon 07/01/13 12:03 PM
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab2/christian-respond-gay-marriage


interesting perspective and advice for christians

Toodygirl5's photo
Mon 07/01/13 04:45 PM
Edited by Toodygirl5 on Mon 07/01/13 04:49 PM
That is a interesting article, long one, but I read it.lol

Man can change whatever he wants to, but God's word never changes. God is against homosexuality and no matter what the government inforces, those who follow Christ know that this is wrong. Government is not always concerned about the laws of God. And this world is going to end and judgment is coming. People forgetting God, and Antichrists are all over the map.

You don't have to beleive it, for it to happen.

God allows things for a reason, and God is still in control.

God loves all men even homosexuals but God hates sin and all through the OT bible, judgment has come upon Men who were disobedient.

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Mon 07/01/13 04:53 PM

That is a interesting article, long one, but I read it.lol

Man can change whatever he wants to, but God's word never changes. God is against homosexuality and no matter what the government inforces, those who follow Christ know that this is wrong. Government is not always concerned about the laws of God. And this world is going to end and judgment is coming. People forgetting God, and Antichrists.

You don't have to beleive it, for it to happen.

God allows things for a reason, and God is still in control.

God loves all men even homosexuals but God hates sin and all through the OT bible, judgment has come upon Men who were disobedient.


Because I believe in the imperfection of all men, I pray for Gods forgiveness for those I think are truly confused,,,,and the culture which does so much to enable their confusion...

I know many wonderful people who live engulfed in that lifestyle and its an addiction that society teaches them to use as their very sense of IDENTITY,,,,how much of an obstacle that must be with no intentional malice necessarily present

I do know of one or two who stopped using that lifestyle as their identity and stepped out of the sin into a 'straight' relationship, so its not impossible

but the society/the world, definitely wish to make outcasts of those that suggest this type of choice is a real option,,,,


Im not perfect, I pray for strength to work through my sins, and I hope all Christians in any sin, sexual or otherwise, are turning to prayer for the strength and wisdom to turn back from it,,,

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Mon 07/01/13 05:09 PM
Edited by Toodygirl5 on Mon 07/01/13 05:13 PM
Years ago when I was a younger woman and first married my husband, his family had a young man best friend who lived in his neighborhood who was homosexual. He was also a cross dresser and look better than some women. He performed in a club in the city. I feel for any man that met him and thought he was a woman. He was a very nice guy and fun to be around and many really liked him. It is not about the homosexual not being a human or loving are anything like that. What they are in is Sin. And, to be in a Relationship and even "what they call" a marriage to the same gender is an abomination God says. And, I don't care what the government agrees too. They are not God. And, God's Word is what really counts in the END.

I could never think to marry any woman, even if I was not "saved". I love MEN.laugh The thought is Sick.

I pray for all people who are in Sin. I hope they will be drawn by the Spirit of Christ and repent and turn. We are living in the last days and we must be ready for Christ return.

God is concerned about everyone, but We make the Choice to serve Him and not Man. We are left a Choice.


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Mon 07/01/13 05:19 PM

Years ago when I was a younger woman and first married my husband, his family had a young man best friend who lived in his neighborhood who was homosexual. He was also a cross dresser and look better than some women. He performed in a club in the city. I feel for any man that met him and thought he was a woman. He was a very nice guy and fun to be around and many really liked him. It is not about the homosexual not being a human or loving are anything like that. What they are in is Sin. And, to be in a Relationship and even "what they call" a marriage to the same gender is an abomination God says. And, I don't care what the government agrees too. They are not God. And, God's Word is what really counts in the END.

I could never think to marry any woman, even if I was not "saved". I love MEN.laugh The thought is Sick.

I pray for all people who are in Sin. I hope they will be drawn by the Spirit of Christ and repent and turn. We are living in the last days and we must be ready for Christ return.

God is concerned about everyone, but We make the Choice to serve Him and not Man. We are left a Choice.



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Mon 07/01/13 05:19 PM
Edited by msharmony on Mon 07/01/13 05:25 PM

Years ago when I was a younger woman and first married my husband, his family had a young man best friend who lived in his neighborhood who was homosexual. He was also a cross dresser and look better than some women. He performed in a club in the city. I feel for any man that met him and thought he was a woman. He was a very nice guy and fun to be around and many really liked him. It is not about the homosexual not being a human or loving are anything like that. What they are in is Sin. And, to be in a Relationship and even "what they call" a marriage to the same gender is an abomination God says. And, I don't care what the government agrees too. They are not God. And, God's Word is what really counts in the END.

I could never think to marry any woman, even if I was not "saved". I love MEN.laugh The thought is Sick.

I pray for all people who are in Sin. I hope they will be drawn by the Spirit of Christ and repent and turn. We are living in the last days and we must be ready for Christ return.

God is concerned about everyone, but We make the Choice to serve Him and not Man. We are left a Choice.




well said


WE have the choice,, and I pray for others to make good choices,,,,as much as I seek wisdom to make them myself,,,


I do believe we are even on our way to discrediting gender identity altogether, in a 'all human' society,,,,the beautiful design that involves both male and female will be nullified eventually so the flesh can do whatever the flesh wants


we are a result of our experiences: I had an eyeopening one with a partner when I was younger,, when I realized how easy it is to 'turn on' the human body armed with not the right gender, but the right KNWOLEDGE of that persons body

there is something in our head that blocks us when we learn to first identify the GENDER of that person,, but the reality is the body is reacting to physical stimuli and by extension has the potential to be 'turned on' by anything and anybody with the knowledge to do so unless some MENTAL block prevents them from allowing it


many of us have a mental block against the opposite sex for some reason,,others have the block against the same sex

I have no block for either gender, to be honest, because I have long understood the physical element involved in true sexual satisfaction,,,it doesn't really depend upon the gender, that's the bottom line

but we still must make a choice about who we will and will not engage sexually with

can you imagine, when the message is spread often enough that gender doesn't matter, and others come to the conclusion as I did that the satisfaction doesn't really depend upon gender,,,,,

what new consequences we will see in our family structures and sexual diseases?


,,mark my words on it,, and Its terrifying to me,,,

Toodygirl5's photo
Mon 07/01/13 05:49 PM
Edited by Toodygirl5 on Mon 07/01/13 05:51 PM
I have the block against the same sex.

I would not be suprised at government trying to say no gender. However, the Christians will always know there is two different genders.

Homosexuals have been around for years...they just was in their closet.

What is sad, is children have to be raised up in families where there are same gender "representing" a marriage. Imo

It takes a male and female to create a Child, not two people of the same gender.

William8's photo
Mon 07/01/13 06:04 PM
Secularism panders to perverts. Being a pervert use to be illegal but now it is the line being drawn in the sand. You are either on the side of perverts or you are not. Sure without Gods grace in illuminating our minds to the truth, people cannot help but be perverts. I was once a pervert in many ways. Anyone can change but no one can without Gods grace working in them. So it is Gods elect verses the world. Perversion is their mission, Christ is ours. I long for the day when they make acceptance of perversion a law, so that I can openly and publicly deny that law as a wittness against their perversed obsessive agenda. I laugh at their faces.

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Tue 07/02/13 11:25 AM


Christians should not be confused about Homosexuality, if it is right or wrong. God speaks out against it in his Word. As followers of Jesus, all we have to do is study his Word and pray about our decisions and let the "Holy Spirit" lead us in all walks of righteousness.


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Tue 07/02/13 11:25 AM
Edited by Toodygirl5 on Tue 07/02/13 11:35 AM

Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.

(I Corinthians 6:18-20) NIV

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Tue 07/02/13 04:01 PM
Edited by techknowlove on Tue 07/02/13 04:04 PM
Anyone else hear the crickets chirping

msharmony's photo
Tue 07/02/13 05:12 PM


Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.

(I Corinthians 6:18-20) NIV



lovely reference toddy,, and so hard to do,, even for heterosexuals ,,,,but yet, how hard it must have been for Jesus to make the sacrifice he made,,,,,it can be done,,,

msharmony's photo
Wed 07/03/13 10:28 AM
I think we are no longer to express opposition to same sex relationshps,,,


I will proactively end my part in this discussion that I Thought was quite interesting,,,

William8's photo
Wed 07/03/13 07:08 PM

I think we are no longer to express opposition to same sex relationshps,,,


I will proactively end my part in this discussion that I Thought was quite interesting,,,


It can never be acceptable behavior for Christians and kept out of the Church.

Toodygirl5's photo
Sun 07/14/13 03:35 PM



Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.

(I Corinthians 6:18-20) NIV



lovely reference toddy,, and so hard to do,, even for heterosexuals ,,,,but yet, how hard it must have been for Jesus to make the sacrifice he made,,,,,it can be done,,,


AMEN,,,,:thumbsup:

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Thu 07/18/13 06:34 AM
Interesting Article

Question: "What is a eunuch in the Bible? What does the Bible say about eunuchs?"

Answer: The eunuchs of the Bible were castrated males or those born incapable of reproduction due to a birth defect. The purpose of intentional castration was to induce impotence and remove sexuality. It was a common practice in ancient times for rulers to castrate some of their servants and/or advisers in order to subdue and pacify them. It was especially common to castrate those who tended the royal harem.

In Matthew 19:12, Jesus mentions eunuchs. He says, “There are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother's womb; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are also eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to accept this, let him accept it.” This discussion of eunuchs was in the context of the question asked of Him about whether it is good to marry.

Because Jesus says that some eunuchs are “born that way from their mother's womb,” some gay Christian groups argue that He was referring to homosexuals. Others disagree, arguing that the Bible's use of the word “eunuch” refers only to those incapable of sexual intercourse through castration or birth defect, those who choose a life of celibacy and those who perform the work typical of eunuchs though they remain perfectly capable of having sex (and thus receive the title by association). The Bible never uses the words “homosexual” and “eunuch” interchangeably. Furthermore, eunuchs are never referred to in Scripture as being in sin, while homosexuality is universally condemned in both the Old and New Testaments.




Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/eunuch-eunuchs.html#ixzz2ZPHF3UV3

TBRich's photo
Thu 07/18/13 07:31 AM
I remember someone once saying: "In essentials, unity; in non-essentials, liberty and in all things charity" I think it was Hank Hanegraff

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Thu 07/18/13 11:14 AM
Msharmony is a wonderful 'sister'.i like reading her posts.but this article of hers has put some doubts in my mind.she should please tell us where she belongs.as it is,she is neither against it nor for it.it think she needs prayers and help from "straight" christians urgently before she joins the "new order"

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Thu 07/18/13 06:05 PM

Msharmony is a wonderful 'sister'.i like reading her posts.but this article of hers has put some doubts in my mind.she should please tell us where she belongs.as it is,she is neither against it nor for it.it think she needs prayers and help from "straight" christians urgently before she joins the "new order"


IM sorry, but I don't understand the question

where do I 'belong'?

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Thu 07/18/13 06:05 PM

Interesting Article

Question: "What is a eunuch in the Bible? What does the Bible say about eunuchs?"

Answer: The eunuchs of the Bible were castrated males or those born incapable of reproduction due to a birth defect. The purpose of intentional castration was to induce impotence and remove sexuality. It was a common practice in ancient times for rulers to castrate some of their servants and/or advisers in order to subdue and pacify them. It was especially common to castrate those who tended the royal harem.

In Matthew 19:12, Jesus mentions eunuchs. He says, “There are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother's womb; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are also eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to accept this, let him accept it.” This discussion of eunuchs was in the context of the question asked of Him about whether it is good to marry.

Because Jesus says that some eunuchs are “born that way from their mother's womb,” some gay Christian groups argue that He was referring to homosexuals. Others disagree, arguing that the Bible's use of the word “eunuch” refers only to those incapable of sexual intercourse through castration or birth defect, those who choose a life of celibacy and those who perform the work typical of eunuchs though they remain perfectly capable of having sex (and thus receive the title by association). The Bible never uses the words “homosexual” and “eunuch” interchangeably. Furthermore, eunuchs are never referred to in Scripture as being in sin, while homosexuality is universally condemned in both the Old and New Testaments.




Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/eunuch-eunuchs.html#ixzz2ZPHF3UV3



very interesting toddy,,,,

as usualflowerforyou