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Topic: Jesus Can't Be the Messiah
AceVelocity's photo
Sat 07/27/13 01:04 PM
The Jews witnessed the miracles by Jesus.

Old Testament writers spoke about his coming and made predictions, through Jehovah, about his arrival.

Jews witnessed and understood the prophecies, but rejected Jesus because he went against their ways and contradicted their beliefs. He proved them wrong in their belief.

His piousness disturbed the rampant ancient world, and they to be rid of him.

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Tue 07/30/13 11:53 AM




"The Talmud is a Rabbi's interpretation like a Christians commentary".

Saying that the Talmud is written by A Rabbi is INCORRECT. It is written by MANY Jewish scholars through time. Just as the bible is not written by one person. The Talmud is not one person's account.

What is so frustrating to me is that Christians just want me to accept their faith on blind faith.

Jews are told to question. It is perfectly okay to, at an appropriate time, get into it with your Rabbi about your thoughts on Judaism, God, the universe, etc. In fact, it's encouraged.

To convert to Judaism, takes years of study and ceremonies and you are not just allowed in. You have to know your stuff to some degree.

Some sects of Christianity, not all, just require you to accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior. I think this does a disservice to those who are true Christians because those who do not study are given the same credence and allowed to go around espousing that they are Christians and what they think Christian beliefs are whether or not they are correct.


1 thing I am not Jew messianic jew , Christian ect. I am a Yahwist.

because of faith I have by chance run into some of the formost Jews of the world. These men respect what I have to say. Why? Because I do my best to uphold the Torah.

Ever heard of Hellel? all Jews have. whats funny is this Rabbi they hold so dear more than Josephus has the same name as a character in IsaYah 14:12

Yet its been hidden from the scriptures.. look that name up in a concordance and see what the Hebrew says.

You are right about Blind Faith.. You probally won't find any believers such as me and my brethren in the Faith that welcome all questions. During the Feast of Unleaven bread which starts the day after Passover for 7 days we all come together welcome anyone to come in and we look at what we believe with no questioning left without an answer.. If we do we search and search until many come to the same conclusion and then write about it in Magazines we have and booklets and asking anyone who see's this differently to please let us know.

My people are destroyed for lack of Knowledge. we must have witnesses to prove the point.. Their is safety in numbers and our Safety is in Messiah Yahshua


Thank you for your input. It was very informative and different. I have attended both Reform temple and Chabad. For services, I like Reform. For holidays and education, I favor Chabad.

I have recently tried to get into Christianity because I have so few Jewish friends. I can't. There are too many things I disagree with in the New Testament and too many things about the Torah and just plain Jewish tradition that are sacred to me. The more I studied the New Testament and talked to people, the more I just shook my head.


Shalom

I understand what you mean. a quick help if you are interested is go to:

www.eliYah.com Sabbath services are done live on the net with question and answers after words. it starts at 12pm et .you can call in and ask questions, submit a question by web form or call in on Skype. you can also see the fellowship finder for all over the world.. Blessings.. Miles

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Tue 07/30/13 01:01 PM

Romans 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. 5:15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. 5:16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. 5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: 5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.


See how Jesus fits into Gods plan to save fallen man.

The Jews were a means to an end not the end, as they want to have everyone believe.

All men have fallen through Adam and so now all men are reconciled through Jesus.

God did not work through so many generations and revelations just to let the Jews say, NO! To the Christ.

You Jews have no temple, no peace in Israel, and yet you stubbornly hold to this insane idea that God is with you.

Adam sinned, the law through Mises convicts everyone of sin, the Gospel of Jesus Christ saves us from sin by being the sacrificial Lamb of God.

What you Jews need to do is pull your stubborn heads out of your Kabalahs, burn all of the worthless Talmud, and start reading the actual Torah. Do it in Jerusalem. Collect all the Tulmad, and burn it in a big pill as a sacrifice to God.

Then get every Jew to read the book of Hebrews, which explains the work of the Old and New Covenants and the part that you Jews played.

Hebrews 9:1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. 9:2 For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary. 9:3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all; 9:4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant; 9:5 And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly. 9:6 Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God. 9:7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people: 9:8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: 9:9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. 9:13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. 9:18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood. 9:19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people, 9:20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you. 9:21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry. 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. 9:23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: 9:25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.




Do you really think Yahshua is ousting Israel?

When to begin the end times after how long and much suffering gives their Homeland back?

Now one of the most Technology proven countries in the world right along side of the USA?

A lot of our Technology has come from Israel.

A nation of 65 years?

From being wiped out to a new glory?

Yahshua was 1 on the tribes of Israel and they call them the Jews.

They laugh at people who abhor the Torah. They laugh at the names you give the Messiah and father.

They do not laugh at the names Yahweh and Yahshua. I was even told to be careful when asking about why they do not believe is the Messiah..Yahshua

Study all the words in the 3rd commandment very closely.

Use just a basic concordance with a Hebrew lexicon and you my see why they laugh at you and do not care what you have to say.

Go to the Jewish district on Devon Street in Chicago and say Yahshua Bless you and see what happens.

Say JC Bless you and see what happens. They even celebrate with a Hannak bush as their Christmas tree.. Why they are mocking you.and you do not even know it. and they could care less. Try Yahweh and Yahshua and see if they care.. Just be warned. Don't blast the Jews again. OK?

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Wed 11/26/14 07:28 AM
Well as a Jew my self i can only say this toward the question from my point of view as a Jew.
is important to understand why Jews don’t believe in Jesus. The purpose is not to disparage other religions, but rather to clarify the Jewish position. The more data that’s available, the better-informed choices people can make about their spiritual path.

JEWS DO NOT ACCEPT JESUS AS THE MESSIAH BECAUSE:

1) JESUS DID NOT FULFILL THE MESSIANIC PROPHECIES;
What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Bible says that he will:

A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).

C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

D. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world—on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).

The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies.

Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming, but Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright, and no concept of a second coming exists.


2) JESUS DID NOT EMBODY THE PERSONAL QUALIFICATIONS OF MESSIAH

A. MESSIAH AS PROPHET
Jesus was not a prophet. Prophecy can only exist in Israel when the land is inhabited by a majority of world Jewry. During the time of Ezra (circa 300 BCE), when the majority of Jews refused to move from Babylon to Israel, prophecy ended upon the death of the last prophets—Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi.

Jesus appeared on the scene approximately 350 years after prophecy had ended.

B. DESCENDENT OF DAVID
According to Jewish sources, the Messiah will be born of human parents and possess normal physical attributes like other people. He will not be a demi-god, (1) nor will he possess supernatural qualities.

The Messiah must be descended on his father’s side from King David (see Genesis 49:10 and Isaiah 11:1). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father—and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father’s side from King David!

C. TORAH OBSERVANCE
The Messiah will lead the Jewish people to full Torah observance. The Torah states that all mitzvot (commandments) remain binding forever, and anyone coming to change the Torah is immediately identified as a false prophet. (Deut. 13:1-4)

Throughout the New Testament, Jesus contradicts the Torah and states that its commandments are no longer applicable. (see John 1:45 and 9:16, Acts 3:22 and 7:37) For example, John 9:14 records that Jesus made a paste in violation of Shabbat, which caused the Pharisees to say (verse 16), "He does not observe Shabbat!"

3) MISTRANSLATED VERSES "REFERRING" TO JESUS
Biblical verses can only be understood by studying the original Hebrew text—which reveals many discrepancies in the Christian translation.

A. VIRGIN BIRTH
The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus’ birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.

B. CRUCIFIXION
The verse in Psalms 22:17 reads: "Like a lion, they are at my hands and feet." The Hebrew word ki-ari (like a lion) is grammatically similar to the word "gouged." Thus Christianity reads the verse as a reference to crucifixion: "They pierced my hands and feet."

C. SUFFERING SERVANT
Christianity claims that Isaiah chapter 53 refers to Jesus, as the "suffering servant."

In actuality, Isaiah 53 directly follows the theme of chapter 52, describing the exile and redemption of the Jewish people. The prophecies are written in the singular form because the Jews ("Israel") are regarded as one unit. The Torah is filled with examples of the Jewish nation referred to with a singular pronoun.

Ironically, Isaiah’s prophecies of persecution refer in part to the 11th century when Jews were tortured and killed by Crusaders who acted in the name of Jesus.

The Messiah can come at any moment, and it all depends on our actions. God is ready when we are. For as King David says: "Redemption will come today—if you hearken to His voice."

by Rabbi Shraga Simmons


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Wed 11/26/14 11:04 AM

Well as a Jew my self i can only say this toward the question from my point of view as a Jew.
is important to understand why Jews don’t believe in Jesus. The purpose is not to disparage other religions, but rather to clarify the Jewish position. The more data that’s available, the better-informed choices people can make about their spiritual path.

JEWS DO NOT ACCEPT JESUS AS THE MESSIAH BECAUSE:

1) JESUS DID NOT FULFILL THE MESSIANIC PROPHECIES;
What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Bible says that he will:

A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).

C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

D. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world—on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).

The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies.

Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming, but Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright, and no concept of a second coming exists.


2) JESUS DID NOT EMBODY THE PERSONAL QUALIFICATIONS OF MESSIAH

A. MESSIAH AS PROPHET
Jesus was not a prophet. Prophecy can only exist in Israel when the land is inhabited by a majority of world Jewry. During the time of Ezra (circa 300 BCE), when the majority of Jews refused to move from Babylon to Israel, prophecy ended upon the death of the last prophets—Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi.

Jesus appeared on the scene approximately 350 years after prophecy had ended.

B. DESCENDENT OF DAVID
According to Jewish sources, the Messiah will be born of human parents and possess normal physical attributes like other people. He will not be a demi-god, (1) nor will he possess supernatural qualities.

The Messiah must be descended on his father’s side from King David (see Genesis 49:10 and Isaiah 11:1). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father—and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father’s side from King David!

C. TORAH OBSERVANCE
The Messiah will lead the Jewish people to full Torah observance. The Torah states that all mitzvot (commandments) remain binding forever, and anyone coming to change the Torah is immediately identified as a false prophet. (Deut. 13:1-4)

Throughout the New Testament, Jesus contradicts the Torah and states that its commandments are no longer applicable. (see John 1:45 and 9:16, Acts 3:22 and 7:37) For example, John 9:14 records that Jesus made a paste in violation of Shabbat, which caused the Pharisees to say (verse 16), "He does not observe Shabbat!"

3) MISTRANSLATED VERSES "REFERRING" TO JESUS
Biblical verses can only be understood by studying the original Hebrew text—which reveals many discrepancies in the Christian translation.

A. VIRGIN BIRTH
The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus’ birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.

B. CRUCIFIXION
The verse in Psalms 22:17 reads: "Like a lion, they are at my hands and feet." The Hebrew word ki-ari (like a lion) is grammatically similar to the word "gouged." Thus Christianity reads the verse as a reference to crucifixion: "They pierced my hands and feet."

C. SUFFERING SERVANT
Christianity claims that Isaiah chapter 53 refers to Jesus, as the "suffering servant."

In actuality, Isaiah 53 directly follows the theme of chapter 52, describing the exile and redemption of the Jewish people. The prophecies are written in the singular form because the Jews ("Israel") are regarded as one unit. The Torah is filled with examples of the Jewish nation referred to with a singular pronoun.

Ironically, Isaiah’s prophecies of persecution refer in part to the 11th century when Jews were tortured and killed by Crusaders who acted in the name of Jesus.

The Messiah can come at any moment, and it all depends on our actions. God is ready when we are. For as King David says: "Redemption will come today—if you hearken to His voice."

by Rabbi Shraga Simmons




As I no longer have internet at home, I am limited to my time on here lol, so I will only respond the quoted section.




1) JESUS DID NOT FULFILL THE MESSIANIC PROPHECIES;
What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Bible says that he will:

A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).

C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

D. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world—on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).

The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies.

Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming, but Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright, and no concept of a second coming exists.


1. He fulfilled all of them
A. Mentions nothing specifically about a "temple" and or a specific "building". "Terbinacle" refers to a place of worship, but does not necessarily exactly mean a building and or a "temple". This world is our place for worship. Know ye not that ye are the temple of God and the holy spirit dwells within?

B. Time isn't over. The Jews will be gathered all together as it claims when he decides that it should happen.

C. Wait till he returns and Earth changed as it is in Heaven. His work isn't finished yet

D. Same as "C" wait till he returns when Earth is changed as it is in Heaven.

2.

A, Jesus was a prophet in all technicalities. Prophet - 3.A person gifted with profound moral insight and exceptional powers of expression. And on top of that if you wish to get technical with words and or wording. Jesus gave many prophecies of things yet to come, thus another point to signifying him as a prophet.

B. Jesus isn't and never was a "demi-God". There is no such thing. The word "God" is a descriptive word. It's not another species, it's not another type of being. The word "God" signifies one in charge eg., with authority over another. Thus why Jesus can be our God, yet a separate person from the Father and yet we still only have one God. And also Jesus saying "know ye not that ye are Gods?" and yet there is still only one God. There is only one authority over us all.

C. Matthew 5:17

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

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Thu 11/27/14 06:47 PM
While Jesus, may peace be upon him, may very well not have received all of the commonly perceived rituals of being an anointed King of Israel, many events actually served as replacement styled gestures.
For example, while he didn't receive the common 'Holy Oil' ceremony as would be commonly expected of a would-be King coronation, he did receive a baptism by John who was also a prophet no less. Also, along the same line of thought... Less than a week before his death a woman opened an incredibly expensive alabaster of oil that normally would probably be used for embalming the dead and lacquered his feet accordingly. One must see the innovations in all the events that occurred in his physical life.
The assumption that the Messiah would be this political figurehead who'd rescue the Jewish world from all its encroaching enemies to time indefinite also seems impractical. Remember, this is the same person on the night of his being arrested tells all who're present, "If my kingdom were of this world, my subjects would have fought." So, it must have been a transcendent hope that any would-be Messiah would come to have any pertinence, not only to Israel, but to all peoples forevermore.

Really, it beckons the question that anyone from the would-be Jewish community or at least anyone with a Hebrew heritage, to what extent are You... if you're Jewish, capable of practicing all of the prerequisites of even some of the most basic rituals of your faith?
Think about it... Almost every ceremony that was ever an obligation of your faith was centered around a physical location with physical objects like the Ark of the Covenant that are no more. Would You continue to hope or assume that the blood of mere animals would somehow atone for all your past transgressions?

As for who Jesus is...?
There is the very commonly held view that most of Christendom has held for the last 17 hundred years, that Jesus is the physical persona of God, commonly called the Trinity Doctrine.
.........OR..........
There is the original belief of that of the first, second, and third century Christians and is still commonly held by Moslems today, that Jesus was a servant of the Almighty God and no means one and the same Entity as Him.

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Thu 11/27/14 08:05 PM
Edited by davidben1 on Thu 11/27/14 08:15 PM
No...

Jesus was NOT "the messiah"...

even though many insisted he "should be"...

and WANTED him to be...

but that does not make it so...

but rather what he CREATED, prove what he him self was...

his words have caused many to die by the sword, such it self making it impossible for him to be "the"" messiah...

was he a caring one of others who spoke perhaps with true insight of a time to come...

indeed.

but it cannot be missed he him self spoke of DAYS TO COME...

and about what events would be occurring when such time was at hand...

if he did not create world peace, and such "days of peace" upon earth, than what he CREATED or DID NOT CREATE, show the extent of his place among humanity...

a speaker of things to come.

for even him self, when accused of making him self the son of god, turned and said unto all, was it not formerly written, ye are all gods...

THE MESSIAH, will prove how ALL ARE GODS, not just some.

and prove how all can be a DEVIL, not just one or some.

it could only ever be said he was the "most messiah" at that time in human history, speaking of one greater to come than him self...

for even he said, that the magical feats he performed that the one that would come as the "savior of the world from violence", would do MUCH GREATER THINGS THAN HE HIM SELF DID...

so he him self DECLARED HIM SELF NOT "THE MESSIAH"

:angel:

pitchfork

hehehe...

peace


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Thu 11/27/14 08:30 PM
Edited by m3k4y on Thu 11/27/14 08:28 PM
^^^^ yayy..!!reminded me of a story..
A man was thinking of buying a new diesel truck..so he went to the various dealers and got information from each one about their fabulous truck..each one swears up and down that their truck is great and their pamphlets prove it..

I believe in Jesus, He is the messiah what you read and say makes no difference..just as if I will tell you to read the bible and find proof there..you would not do that either would you??

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Thu 11/27/14 08:36 PM
i believe in "jesus", so when jesus said i am not the messiah, i believe him.


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Tue 02/10/15 09:24 AM
Jesus was a annunaki god,, the anunnaki came here to dig gold....400,000 years ago..ok

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Tue 02/10/15 09:27 AM

Jesus was a annunaki god,, the anunnaki came here to dig gold....400,000 years ago..ok

seems they did a pretty lousy Job!laugh

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Tue 02/10/15 09:34 AM
http://listverse.com/2014/09/08/10-theories-about-who-really-wrote-the-bible/

10 Theories About Who Really Wrote The Bible

Larry Jimenez September 8, 2014

An ordinary Christian and a biblical scholar look at the Bible in tremendously different ways. The average churchgoer knows nothing of the textual problems beneath the familiar words. Bible scholars, however, consider the book a human artifact like any other. They have made it their life’s work to decode and deconstruct it from that perspective.

From studying the texts themselves, Bible scholars have come up with many theories on who actually wrote the scriptures. These theories provide serious challenges to traditional assumptions on Bible authorship.

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Tue 02/10/15 09:57 AM
I have every confidence to believe that the 'original' writers of the Bible wrote a very, Universally, acceptable understanding of what should-be a Monotheistic religious instruction.

The Quran does make the accusation that there were those who chose to abrogate and change-things from there rightful places in the former scriptures.

(I Actually Knew Of This Years Before Becoming A Muslim)

Here-in lies the problem...

The last 'major' abrogations were ending about 380 A.D. and almost every other innovation is just loss from translation from one language to another or are paraphrased re-translations of what are, all-too-often, individual interpretations.

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Tue 02/10/15 04:32 PM

Don't let the nuns hear you say that.. All those years of kneeling and celibacy .. Smiling :-)


Although it was quite clear that Mother Theresa was basically a monster, I do feel bad reading how she lost her faith toward the end and how it effected her

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Tue 02/10/15 04:36 PM

http://listverse.com/2014/09/08/10-theories-about-who-really-wrote-the-bible/

10 Theories About Who Really Wrote The Bible

Larry Jimenez September 8, 2014

An ordinary Christian and a biblical scholar look at the Bible in tremendously different ways. The average churchgoer knows nothing of the textual problems beneath the familiar words. Bible scholars, however, consider the book a human artifact like any other. They have made it their life’s work to decode and deconstruct it from that perspective.

From studying the texts themselves, Bible scholars have come up with many theories on who actually wrote the scriptures. These theories provide serious challenges to traditional assumptions on Bible authorship.


It is difficult to relate the study of higher biblical criticism to the average pew-sitter. It makes me wonder about the point- is it only about doing something to gain some sort of undefined eternal life in the future or that someone taught us to "love one another" right here right now?

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Tue 02/10/15 04:44 PM
Love is but the song we sing,
And fear's the way we die
You can make the mountains ring
Or make the angels cry
Know the dove is on the wing
And you need not know why
C'mon people now,
Smile on your brother
Ev'rybody get together
Try and love one another right now
Some will come and some will go
We shall surely pass
When the one that left us here
Returns for us at last
We are but a moments sunlight
Fading in the grass
C'mon people now,
Smile on your brother
Ev'rybody get together
Try and love one another right now
If you hear the song I sing,
You must understand
You hold the key to love and fear
All in your trembling hand
Just one key unlocks them both
It's there at your command
C'mon people now,
Smile on your brother
Ev'rybody get together
Try and love one another right now
Right now
Right now!
- jesse colin young

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