Noted speed freak, serial-killer fangirl, and Tea Party hero Ayn Rand was also a kleptoparasite, sneakily gobbling up taxpayer funds under an assumed name [note: it might have been her legal name] to pay for her medical treatments after she got lung cancer.



An interview with Evva Pryror, a social worker and consultant to Miss Rand's law firm of Ernst, Cane, Gitlin and Winick verified that on Miss Rand's behalf she secured Rand's Social Security and Medicare payments which Ayn received under the name of Ann O'Connor (husband Frank O'Connor).
As Pryor said, "Doctors cost a lot more money than books earn and she could be totally wiped out" without the aid of these two government programs. Ayn took the bail out even though Ayn "despised government interference and felt that people should and could live independently... She didn't feel that an individual should take help."

But alas she did and said it was wrong for everyone else to do so.



http://boingboing.net/2011/01/28/ayn-rand-took-govern.html

evil without even the slightest if i may add, any consideration for the freedoms we are striped of..... only and i do mean only to be haunted by the obligations of some socially created standard upheld by fantasizing creatures who somehow obtained alluring features.......oh i love yall even more than i did yesterday but yall still evil.

more Strawmanning,hmm?

But unable to refute any of her writing!
Like I said,sneering just ain't cut it!

BTW,if you paid into these Insurances,what is the Beef of benefiting from them?
You ain't got a Leg to stand on,Byron!

You seem to have poor reading comprehension.....


1) I do not have a beef with anyone getting these government benefits

2) Ayn Rand had a beef with anyone getting them. Your dispute is with her.

I don't need to refute anything. She did that herself. She was against other people getting these government benefits and then she got them for herself.



Those are the facts. The facts are the legs I stand on.


An interview with Evva Pryror, a social worker and consultant to Miss Rand's law firm of Ernst, Cane, Gitlin and Winick verified that on Miss Rand's behalf she secured Rand's Social Security and Medicare payments which Ayn received under the name of Ann O'Connor (husband Frank O'Connor).
As Pryor said, "Doctors cost a lot more money than books earn and she could be totally wiped out" without the aid of these two government programs. Ayn took the bail out even though Ayn "despised government interference and felt that people should and could live independently... She didn't feel that an individual should take help."

But alas she did and said it was wrong for everyone else to do so.

You seem to have poor reading comprehension.....


1) I do not have a beef with anyone getting these government benefits

2) Ayn Rand had a beef with anyone getting them. Your dispute is with her.

I don't need to refute anything. She did that herself. She was against other people getting these government benefits and then she got them for herself.



Those are the facts. The facts are the legs I stand on.


An interview with Evva Pryror, a social worker and consultant to Miss Rand's law firm of Ernst, Cane, Gitlin and Winick verified that on Miss Rand's behalf she secured Rand's Social Security and Medicare payments which Ayn received under the name of Ann O'Connor (husband Frank O'Connor).
As Pryor said, "Doctors cost a lot more money than books earn and she could be totally wiped out" without the aid of these two government programs. Ayn took the bail out even though Ayn "despised government interference and felt that people should and could live independently... She didn't feel that an individual should take help."

But alas she did and said it was wrong for everyone else to do so.

so,you believe it is wrong for someone to recoup some of the Money extorted by Government from them,through Ponzi-Schemes,just because they are Libertarian or Objectivist?
You still are using the Strawman in order not to have a look at the Principles you are unable to refute!
Like I say,you got no leg to stand on!
Now let the good people get back to the Original Topic,we have Hijacked the Thread enough,,before the Moderators lock it!
If you feel like ranting on,be my Guest!

What about terrorists? Do you think any were actually good people in the past? They seem brain-washed.

Tssk tssk, You really should work on that reading comprehension dear boy.


I did not state what I believe. I stated the facts. Ayn Rand drew goverment assistance under an assumed name during the last years of her life. That makes her a hypocrite since she claimed that it was wrong to draw any government assistance. You have not refuted that.


"However, it was revealed in the recent "Oral History of Ayn Rand" by Scott McConnell (founder of the media department at the Ayn Rand Institute) that in the end Ayn was a vip-dipper as well. An interview with Evva Pryror, a social worker and consultant to Miss Rand's law firm of Ernst, Cane, Gitlin and Winick verified that on Miss Rand's behalf she secured Rand's Social Security and Medicare payments which Ayn received under the name of Ann O'Connor (husband Frank O'Connor).

As Pryor said, "Doctors cost a lot more money than books earn and she could be totally wiped out" without the aid of these two government programs. Ayn took the bail out even though Ayn "despised government interference and felt that people should and could live independently... She didn't feel that an individual should take help."

But alas she did and said it was wrong for everyone else to do so. Apart from the strong implication that those who take the help are morally weak, it is also a philosophic point that such help dulls the will to work, to save and government assistance is said to dull the entrepreneurial spirit.

In the end, Miss Rand was a hypocrite but she could never be faulted for failing to act in her own self-interest."




Yes, you should drop it and spare yourself further embarressment.



bye-bye

I do believe that we are naturally good. The rest is just an influence.

Arguably every religion involves people who are brainwashed.

Your good is based on a different meter than their good, what you view as a horrible event others would celebrate.

Now; this brings up an excellent observation I've had on my mind for awhile, do note I live in the U.S. however, I cannot stand the American ego with "Our way of life is the only/better way of life." It is a largely limited view that is getting the U.S. absolutely nowhere.

I changed my mind. Evil. I have my reasons.

ok so this my opinion i dont believe anyone is all good or all bad just grey some darker an some lighter but i also believe it has to do with lessons learned an what you can afford to live in ive been down where i got into it almost daily because of where i lived an the surroundings an became a different kind of person for a while but made a choice to get away from it as well.
i have to say the old native cherokee legend had it right look up the two wolves legend by the native cherokee .
again hope i didnt offend anyone everyone is different .

Couldn't have said it better myself. 100% agree. Given the opportunity, I believe most people would opt for the "moral" choice, less it involves personal loss. Then it becomes a dilemma.

Thanks for so many great answers. Some of us see this quite differently, but amazingly enough, with the exception of whether Ayn Rand is morally entitled to recoup her tax contributions through a system she believes is a form of extortion or not, we have actually seen very little blood over this topic.

We have all heard people, and most of us have ourselves, used the phrase...I'm not proud of it...to describe feelings of regret for our wrongdoings.

If our natural instincts are not to do good, then what causes so many of us to feel this kind of internal remorse and regret for actions and behaviors we consider to be bad?