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How can one overcome sin completely,why is it that after i gave ma life to Jesus i still went back to ma old nature?.why's it so hard to break away from sin?.why do i find myself doing the things i never wantd but the things i wantd,i never did?.How can a young man cleanse his way?.is it possible to live a perfect and how can i go about it?.
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Were all sinners were not perfect in flesh.keep praying read psalms it helps even the apostles were not perfect. The harder you try to to be good the harder the devil will tempt you, have you ever heard of a non believer having spiritual warefare?
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You can rid yourself of the concept of "sin" if you stop listening to religious zealots telling you what "sin" is.
Listen to your true self. Do you know right from wrong or do you need someone else to tell you want is right or wrong? Have you know sense of right and wrong yourself? "Sin" is a term used by religions to control and manipulate. |
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Edited by
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Original Sin
¶ Your code begins by damning man as evil, then demands that he practice a good which it defines as impossible for him to practice. It demands, as his first proof of virtue, that he accept his own depravity without proof. It demands that he start, not with a standard of value, but with a standard of evil, which is himself, by means of which he is then to define the good: the good is that which he is not. It does not matter who then becomes the profiteer on his renounced glory and tormented soul, a mystic God with some incomprehensible design or any passer-by whose rotting sores are held as some inexplicable claim upon him—it does not matter, the good is not for him to understand, his duty is to crawl through years of penance, atoning for the guilt of his existence to any stray collector of unintelligible debts, his only concept of a value is a zero: the good is that which is non-man. The name of this monstrous absurdity is Original Sin. A sin without volition is a slap at morality and an insolent contradiction in terms: that which is outside the possibility of choice is outside the province of morality. If man is evil by birth, he has no will, no power to change it; if he has no will, he can be neither good nor evil; a robot is amoral. To hold, as man’s sin, a fact not open to his choice is a mockery of morality. To hold man’s nature as his sin is a mockery of nature. To punish him for a crime he committed before he was born is a mockery of justice. To hold him guilty in a matter where no innocence exists is a mockery of reason. To destroy morality, nature, justice and reason by means of a single concept is a feat of evil hardly to be matched. Yet that is the root of your code. Do not hide behind the cowardly evasion that man is born with free will, but with a “tendency” to evil. A free will saddled with a tendency is like a game with loaded dice. It forces man to struggle through the effort of playing, to bear responsibility and pay for the game, but the decision is weighted in favor of a tendency that he had no power to escape. If the tendency is of his choice, he cannot possess it at birth; if it is not of his choice, his will is not free. What is the nature of the guilt that your teachers call his Original Sin? What are the evils man acquired when he fell from a state they consider perfection? Their myth declares that he ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge—he acquired a mind and became a rational being. It was the knowledge of good and evil—he became a moral being. He was sentenced to earn his bread by his labor—he became a productive being. He was sentenced to experience desire—he acquired the capacity of sexual enjoyment. The evils for which they damn him are reason, morality, creativeness, joy—all the cardinal values of his existence. It is not his vices that their myth of man’s fall is designed to explain and condemn, it is not his errors that they hold as his guilt, but the essence of his nature as man. Whatever he was—that robot in the Garden of Eden, who existed without mind, without values, without labor, without love—he was not man. Man’s fall, according to your teachers, was that he gained the virtues required to live. These virtues, by their standard, are his Sin. His evil, they charge, is that he’s man. His guilt, they charge, is that he lives. They call it a morality of mercy and a doctrine of love for man. 
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Original Sin ¶ Your code begins by damning man as evil, then demands that he practice a good which it defines as impossible for him to practice. It demands, as his first proof of virtue, that he accept his own depravity without proof. It demands that he start, not with a standard of value, but with a standard of evil, which is himself, by means of which he is then to define the good: the good is that which he is not. It does not matter who then becomes the profiteer on his renounced glory and tormented soul, a mystic God with some incomprehensible design or any passer-by whose rotting sores are held as some inexplicable claim upon him—it does not matter, the good is not for him to understand, his duty is to crawl through years of penance, atoning for the guilt of his existence to any stray collector of unintelligible debts, his only concept of a value is a zero: the good is that which is non-man. The name of this monstrous absurdity is Original Sin. A sin without volition is a slap at morality and an insolent contradiction in terms: that which is outside the possibility of choice is outside the province of morality. If man is evil by birth, he has no will, no power to change it; if he has no will, he can be neither good nor evil; a robot is amoral. To hold, as man’s sin, a fact not open to his choice is a mockery of morality. To hold man’s nature as his sin is a mockery of nature. To punish him for a crime he committed before he was born is a mockery of justice. To hold him guilty in a matter where no innocence exists is a mockery of reason. To destroy morality, nature, justice and reason by means of a single concept is a feat of evil hardly to be matched. Yet that is the root of your code. Do not hide behind the cowardly evasion that man is born with free will, but with a “tendency” to evil. A free will saddled with a tendency is like a game with loaded dice. It forces man to struggle through the effort of playing, to bear responsibility and pay for the game, but the decision is weighted in favor of a tendency that he had no power to escape. If the tendency is of his choice, he cannot possess it at birth; if it is not of his choice, his will is not free. What is the nature of the guilt that your teachers call his Original Sin? What are the evils man acquired when he fell from a state they consider perfection? Their myth declares that he ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge—he acquired a mind and became a rational being. It was the knowledge of good and evil—he became a moral being. He was sentenced to earn his bread by his labor—he became a productive being. He was sentenced to experience desire—he acquired the capacity of sexual enjoyment. The evils for which they damn him are reason, morality, creativeness, joy—all the cardinal values of his existence. It is not his vices that their myth of man’s fall is designed to explain and condemn, it is not his errors that they hold as his guilt, but the essence of his nature as man. Whatever he was—that robot in the Garden of Eden, who existed without mind, without values, without labor, without love—he was not man. Man’s fall, according to your teachers, was that he gained the virtues required to live. These virtues, by their standard, are his Sin. His evil, they charge, is that he’s man. His guilt, they charge, is that he lives. They call it a morality of mercy and a doctrine of love for man.
http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/original_sin.html 
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Sins of the flesh. Self satisfaction [masturbation] This was a big thing in The Catholic Religion.. Ijust read this and it made me Laugh. Persons who gives themselves to lacivious passion have a decreased ideal of life. Those persons become cynical and ambitious. Consciousness is more and more filled with dirty pictures of voluptuousness. They [I presume men] looks at each woman as a female plaything. Dirty thoughts invade their dimmed brains, and there is only one desire in their hearts - to satisfy their lust.
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Sins of the flesh. Self satisfaction [masturbation] This was a big thing in The Catholic Religion.. Ijust read this and it made me Laugh. Persons who gives themselves to lacivious passion have a decreased ideal of life. Those persons become cynical and ambitious. Consciousness is more and more filled with dirty pictures of voluptuousness. They [I presume men] looks at each woman as a female plaything. Dirty thoughts invade their dimmed brains, and there is only one desire in their hearts - to satisfy their lust. I just rescued a Tom Cat from a life on the street fighting for female pussycats. I had to nurse his injuries and give him medicine and then I had him neutered. He has calmed down a lot and seems extremely happy and content now that he is not possessed with that urge. Now he won't leave. LOL |
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Edited by
HappyBun
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Sins of the flesh. Self satisfaction [masturbation] This was a big thing in The Catholic Religion.. Ijust read this and it made me Laugh. Persons who gives themselves to lacivious passion have a decreased ideal of life. Those persons become cynical and ambitious. Consciousness is more and more filled with dirty pictures of voluptuousness. They [I presume men] looks at each woman as a female plaything. Dirty thoughts invade their dimmed brains, and there is only one desire in their hearts - to satisfy their lust. I just rescued a Tom Cat from a life on the street fighting for female pussycats. I had to nurse his injuries and give him medicine and then I had him neutered. He has calmed down a lot and seems extremely happy and content now that he is not possessed with that urge. Now he won't leave. LOL |
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Honestly each and every one has contributed constructively and i've learnt alot from your analysises.But then studying the word of God i found out there are still more left to delibrate on.I intentionally brought out this topic knowing fully well that every individual'll have his/her own perception.Firstly i tried to explore people's thoughts of weakness towards to living a holy life.we must understand that before we can live a righteous life,we must first condition our minds.you must believe with me that whatever a man does is as a result of his thought and decision taken from his mind,heart or sense of reasoning.Thus this is the power house of every being and that's the most desired target of the devil.if someone wants to commit immorality or lust after women,he must've thought it in his mind and likewise doing good things,infact any thing that happens around a man is as a result of his thought.Therefore as christians what we need most,after we've accepted Jesus is continue renewing our minds.in Matt 15;18-20,Jesus teaches that what really defiles a man always emenates from the heart thus out of the heart proceeds evil thought in Matt.5:27-28,Jesus made it clear that lustful thinking is also a sin.Satan often attacks us with evil thoughts which if we meditate on,we are bound to fall pray to him,that's y it's important for us to kno the kind of things we do,things we watch,hear and associate ourselves with.Thank God for Apostle Paul who understood this and he opens up in Romance 12:1-2,in vs 2 he said "do not be conformed to this world be transformd by the renewing of your mind,that you prove what's that good and acceptable and perfect will of God".this shows that after one has repented,he's got to work out his salvation,thereby conditioning his thought in the word of God.in Philipians 2:5,it says let this mind be in u which also in christ.the series of questions i askd in ma post are the questions most of the youths here ask me.do u kno that after somebody has repented,there are still some unGodly characters he's bound to contend with?,in such case how can he overcome or cleanse his way.Psalm 119:9-10,in vs 1O David knew that our heart plays a major role in our actions and that was y he said"your word have i hidden in ma heart that i may nt sin against u".let me take u back to Psalm 19:14,he declears that his words of his mouth and the meditation our heart be acceptable to God.in Psalm 51-10-11,he said create in me a clean heart and renew ma spirit.time would nt permit and i would've shown a whole lot of things.therefore we must always continue to conform our heart to the word,study,pray and by so doing we are bound to overcome evil thoughts and if we can overcome thoughts then if we can exhibit good and Godly characters which are the perfect will of God.
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Honestly each and every one has contributed constructively and i've learnt alot from your analysises.But then studying the word of God i found out there are still more left to delibrate on.I intentionally brought out this topic knowing fully well that every individual'll have his/her own perception.Firstly i tried to explore people's thoughts of weakness towards to living a holy life.we must understand that before we can live a righteous life,we must first condition our minds.you must believe with me that whatever a man does is as a result of his thought and decision taken from his mind,heart or sense of reasoning.Thus this is the power house of every being and that's the most desired target of the devil.if someone wants to commit immorality or lust after women,he must've thought it in his mind and likewise doing good things,infact any thing that happens around a man is as a result of his thought.Therefore as christians what we need most,after we've accepted Jesus is continue renewing our minds.in Matt 15;18-20,Jesus teaches that what really defiles a man always emenates from the heart thus out of the heart proceeds evil thought in Matt.5:27-28,Jesus made it clear that lustful thinking is also a sin.Satan often attacks us with evil thoughts which if we meditate on,we are bound to fall pray to him,that's y it's important for us to kno the kind of things we do,things we watch,hear and associate ourselves with.Thank God for Apostle Paul who understood this and he opens up in Romance 12:1-2,in vs 2 he said "do not be conformed to this world be transformd by the renewing of your mind,that you prove what's that good and acceptable and perfect will of God".this shows that after one has repented,he's got to work out his salvation,thereby conditioning his thought in the word of God.in Philipians 2:5,it says let this mind be in u which also in christ.the series of questions i askd in ma post are the questions most of the youths here ask me.do u kno that after somebody has repented,there are still some unGodly characters he's bound to contend with?,in such case how can he overcome or cleanse his way.Psalm 119:9-10,in vs 1O David knew that our heart plays a major role in our actions and that was y he said"your word have i hidden in ma heart that i may nt sin against u".let me take u back to Psalm 19:14,he declears that his words of his mouth and the meditation our heart be acceptable to God.in Psalm 51-10-11,he said create in me a clean heart and renew ma spirit.time would nt permit and i would've shown a whole lot of things.therefore we must always continue to conform our heart to the word,study,pray and by so doing we are bound to overcome evil thoughts and if we can overcome thoughts then if we can exhibit good and Godly characters which are the perfect will of God. Please use some paragraphs. That is very hard to read. If the "devil" puts "evil" thoughts in your head, then you must know that those thoughts are NOT YOUR THOUGHTS AT ALL. Mankind was designed for sex. If you believe God created you, then you have to know that God created you for having sex and sexual desires so that you would procreate and populate the earth. So stop feeling guilty for your lust, that is how you were made. geeeze. 
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Sex is natural. Guilt is not.
Do what comes naturally, feel as you wish to feel, as long as you don't force yourself on others or rape someone against their will. Stop letting religious nuts try to control you with GUILT. |
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You can rid yourself of the concept of "sin" if you stop listening to religious zealots telling you what "sin" is. Listen to your true self. Do you know right from wrong or do you need someone else to tell you want is right or wrong? Have you know sense of right and wrong yourself? "Sin" is a term used by religions to control and manipulate. Hello dear,sin is not jst a term used by religion to control us.to some certain exten you might be right when talking about the sense of wrong and right.Firstly going with human understanding to overcome sin is totally and absolutely impossible,the bible says"by arm of flesh shall no man prevail".Sin is what seperates us from God and there's a spirit that controls every sin and such spirits can't be overcome by mere words or sentimental beliefs.ok, if you think it's so easy to live a perfect life with jst the knowledge of wrong and right without back it up with the word of God,why do men still committ crime?,or do you think they committ it crimes willingly and intentionally?.Hell no,nobody wants to live a bad or ruged life,rather Devil has bewitched them mentally and otherwise and that's y they think more of doing crimes and this all takes us back to ma topic "the renewing of minds".in Gala 5:16-18,you will see a clear battle of the minds b/w the holy spirit and the devil.and it admonishes us to walk in spirit so that we might not fulfill the lust of flesh,then go further to vs 19 and down wards and you will see the works of the flesh.you must understand that we are empowered to live a perfect life.is it possible to live a perfect life?,yes it is much more possible in 1 John 3:1-8-9.there you see that those born of devil tends to commit sin for the devil has sinned from the beginnin ,but he who's born of God commits no sin for His seed remains in him and he can't sin becos he has been born of God.how can someone be borne of God by accepting Jesus and constantly renewing his mind and by so doing,he can never sin cos God doesn't sin.i went for hospital and prison visitation/evangelim,in the prison i saw many of ma mates who are lavishing there and it really touchd ma soul and pleaded to God to rescue them.All of them are regretting,some told me why they came there.after preaching to them on the need to accept Jesus and renew their,they accepted Jesus and their minds have started to renew and by next week sunday i'm going bk to preach,encourage and help them materially.Satan is a strategist but God's an extra ordinary strategist |
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Sex is natural. Guilt is not. Do what comes naturally, feel as you wish to feel, as long as you don't force yourself on others or rape someone against their will. Stop letting religious nuts try to control you with GUILT. Firstly i apologise for the absence of the paragraphs,maybe it's ma phone and it wont let me.You are absolutely right about the sex issue bt then there are certain things that must be considered.having sex with anybody or is not ur wife is a great sin in the eyes of Lord and there's a curse attached to it.we are only permitted to have sex when we are married and anything outside that is immorality is God greatly abhors it.i'm not under religious nuts but the holy-spirit of God lives in me,he guides and directs ma full steps and many times He speaks to me on some certain issues and i obey Him and he blesses the more.He has distinquished me among ma equals.And anytime i feel like i can't hold body again,i'll start making plan to marry so that i can have sex which's permittd by God under marriage.why should i lust after women or masturbate or desire to do evil when ma mind has been renewed and i'm dead to sin.i was speaking to some bunch of youths and i told them that there are only 3 things that destroy the youth easily and they Money,Addiction and immorality.Anyone who can abstain from this,is a perfect man.in Psalm 119 :1-3,it says "blessed are the undefiled in the way,who walk in the law of the Lord.vs 2.Blessed are those who keep His testimonies and seek Him with the whole heart.vs 3.They also do no iniquity"!.i really feel excited read this place.Glory be to God.so our youths must be thought to live and keep themselves holy till they are married.Any form of romantic relationship outside marriage is totally sin unto GOD. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sun 05/05/13 05:38 PM
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Hello dear,sin is not jst a term used by religion to control us.to some certain exten you might be right when talking about the sense of wrong and right.Firstly going with human understanding to overcome sin is totally and absolutely impossible,the bible says"by arm of flesh shall no man prevail".Sin is what seperates us from God and there's a spirit that controls every sin and such spirits can't be overcome by mere words or sentimental beliefs.ok, if you think it's so easy to live a perfect life with jst the knowledge of wrong and right without back it up with the word of God,why do men still committ crime?,or do you think they committ it crimes willingly and intentionally?. First of all, "crime" and "sin" are not the same thing. Hell no,nobody wants to live a bad or ruged life,rather Devil has bewitched them mentally and otherwise Bewitched them? What century are you from? People of today SHOULD BE evolved enough to take responsibility for their own actions and thoughts without having to blame it on "the devil" bewitching them. You started this thread out under the guise of asking a question about why it is so hard to break away from "sin" and you asked why was it that after you gave your life to Jesus, you still went back to your old nature. Correct? That is the question you asked in the opening post. Okay, the only thing I can say is that you were not really serious about giving your life to Jesus or God if you are going back to your old "sinful" nature. Now I am convinced that you just want to be a preacher. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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....And anytime i feel like i can't hold body again,i'll start making plan to marry so that i can have sex which's permittd by God under marriage.why should i lust after women or masturbate or desire to do evil when ma mind has been renewed and i'm dead to sin. You have some real issues with those beliefs I see. You would marry someone just so you can have sex -- because you believe that having sex outside of marriage is a sin? Who is telling you these things? You are buying into some one else's false ideas of morality. It sounds pretty desperate to get married so you can have sex. By believing that stuff, you are being manipulated and controlled. Plus, you will probably marry the first thing that comes down the road that is female. Not a good idea. i was speaking to some bunch of youths and i told them that there are only 3 things that destroy the youth easily and they Money, Addiction and immorality
Until you figure a few things out yourself, you probably should not be preaching to anyone. (And money is simply something that represents an energy exchange. You need money to do business in this world. Money itself can't be evil.) Do you steal your food or do you purchase it with money? Or perhaps you still go into the wilderness and hunt for your food. |
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How can one overcome sin completely,why is it that after i gave ma life to Jesus i still went back to ma old nature?.why's it so hard to break away from sin?.why do i find myself doing the things i never wantd but the things i wantd,i never did?.How can a young man cleanse his way?.is it possible to live a perfect and how can i go about it?. ill put it simply,, we become ADDICTED to the wordly pleasures and customs and expectations and addictions are not easy to kick,,, why does the aa member still sometimes go back to their drinking why does the health club member still go back to unhealthy diet? what becomes our habit, our addiction, even the way we are told to or choose to define ourself sometimes,,, is not often easy to drop ,,,,,or change |
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If the African people would stop listening to those American Missionaries they would be a lot wiser.
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If you are a member of a certain faith, and if this site has a forum just for members of that faith, then perhaps you would be better off seeking advice from that particular forum. That way you won't have to put up with comments from people who don't share your faith.
It is just a suggestion. 
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You can rid yourself of the concept of "sin" if you stop listening to religious zealots telling you what "sin" is. Listen to your true self. Do you know right from wrong or do you need someone else to tell you want is right or wrong? Have you know sense of right and wrong yourself? "Sin" is a term used by religions to control and manipulate. Hello dear,sin is not jst a term used by religion to control us.to some certain exten you might be right when talking about the sense of wrong and right.Firstly going with human understanding to overcome sin is totally and absolutely impossible,the bible says"by arm of flesh shall no man prevail".Sin is what seperates us from God and there's a spirit that controls every sin and such spirits can't be overcome by mere words or sentimental beliefs.ok, if you think it's so easy to live a perfect life with jst the knowledge of wrong and right without back it up with the word of God,why do men still committ crime?,or do you think they committ it crimes willingly and intentionally?. First of all, "crime" and "sin" are not the same thing. Hell no,nobody wants to live a bad or ruged life,rather Devil has bewitched them mentally and otherwise Bewitched them? What century are you from? People of today SHOULD BE evolved enough to take responsibility for their own actions and thoughts without having to blame it on "the devil" bewitching them. and that's y they think more of doing crimes and this all takes us back to ma topic "the renewing of minds".in Gala 5:16-18,you will see a clear battle of the minds b/w the holy spirit and the devil.and it admonishes us to walk in spirit so that we might not fulfill the lust of flesh,then go further to vs 19 and down wards and you will see the works of the flesh.you must understand that we are empowered to live a perfect life.is it possible to live a perfect life?,yes it is much more possible in 1 John 3:1-8-9.there you see that those born of devil tends to commit sin for the devil has sinned from the beginnin ,but he who's born of God commits no sin for His seed remains in him and he can't sin becos he has been born of God.how can someone be borne of God by accepting Jesus and constantly renewing his mind and by so doing,he can never sin cos God doesn't sin.i went for hospital and prison visitation/evangelim,in the prison i saw many of ma mates who are lavishing there and it really touchd ma soul and pleaded to God to rescue them.All of them are regretting,some told me why they came there.after preaching to them on the need to accept Jesus and renew their,they accepted Jesus and their minds have started to renew and by next week sunday i'm going bk to preach,encourage and help them materially.Satan is a strategist but God's an extra ordinary strategist Well you started this thread out under the guise of asking a question about why it is so hard to break away from "sin" and you asked why was it that after you gave your life to Jesus, you still went back to your old nature. Correct? That is the question you asked in the opening post. Okay, the only thing I can say is that you were not really serious about giving your life to Jesus or God. Now I am convinced that you just want to be a preacher. Hello there,i'm serious about it.i had to put those questions there bcos they are things most youth who've confided in pass thru.God opened ma eyes to understand many things about life,mostly regarding our daily lives and how to overcome them.Ma dad is a pastor too and many times the Lord speaks and inspires me to write down some articles,sometimes He tells me to go and preach to people mostly the youths.i'm a christian and i really want salvage people's mentality about living a Godly life.most youths are absurdy when they say it's impossible to live a holy or perfect and it really pains when they say that.so normally in ma post i put it a question so that i can get people's reaction towards that particular issue,then i'll address them the right way.On Tuesday we'll be having our youth nite prayer service and i'll be on another topic the Lord has given and later i'll share it here.Do yo know that heaven and hell are real?,do u know that it's appointed once for man to die and after which judgement follows?.Do u know that God 'll everything we've done into judgement?.i've seen and heard a heard a man who had a fatal accident,and was in comma for 3 days and the Lord showed him Heaven and Hell.Dearest frnd there's more to this life than the we living |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sun 05/05/13 05:55 PM
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Hello there,i'm serious about it.i had to put those questions there bcos they are things most youth who've confided in pass thru.God opened ma eyes to understand many things about life,mostly regarding our daily lives and how to overcome them. Ma dad is a pastor too and many times the Lord speaks and inspires me to write down some articles,sometimes He tells me to go and preach to people mostly the youths.i'm a christian and i really want salvage people's mentality about living a Godly life.most youths are absurdy when they say it's impossible to live a holy or perfect and it really pains when they say that.so normally in ma post i put it a question so that i can get people's reaction towards that particular issue,then i'll address them the right way.On Tuesday we'll be having our youth nite prayer service and i'll be on another topic the Lord has given and later i'll share it here.Do yo know that heaven and hell are real?,do u know that it's appointed once for man to die and after which judgement follows?.Do u know that God 'll everything we've done into judgement?.i've seen and heard a heard a man who had a fatal accident,and was in comma for 3 days and the Lord showed him Heaven and Hell.Dearest frnd there's more to this life than the we living
Yep, you are a preacher. The question in the opening post was the bait or opening for the sermon. Good luck. I hope you save a lot of souls! Be safe. |
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