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Topic: yet another example of the slowly encroaching police state..
Kleisto's photo
Thu 04/25/13 10:43 PM
http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/crime-law/fbi-local-police-conducting-massive-sweep-oakland/nXXKw/

Martial law folks, it's coming........we best open our eyes right now before our own towns are next........

Did you notice they said they weren't at liberty to discuss the reasons for this?? We need to start demanding answers, we must not let them keep getting away with this. It's time to draw a line......

karmafury's photo
Fri 04/26/13 05:42 AM
Read the article and all I can see is a multi-force task group taking out multiple targets in a sweep. This is a common tactic against organized crime.

Same has happened here in Carcajou (Wolverine) operations against the Hells Angels and organized crime families.

Kleisto's photo
Fri 04/26/13 06:54 AM
Edited by Kleisto on Fri 04/26/13 06:55 AM
Have they locked down areas quite like this before though? WITHOUT explaining why?

mightymoe's photo
Fri 04/26/13 09:40 AM

Have they locked down areas quite like this before though? WITHOUT explaining why?

doesn't seem like they would want to alert the criminals to their coming...

boredinaz06's photo
Fri 04/26/13 10:06 AM



I think a bunch of heavily armed men in scary black clothing would alert criminals that something was up lol

I agree with kleisto, when we ask the police a question they need to answer it.

oldhippie1952's photo
Fri 04/26/13 10:46 AM
Man is not free unless government is limited. - Ronald Reagan

msharmony's photo
Fri 04/26/13 12:22 PM




I think a bunch of heavily armed men in scary black clothing would alert criminals that something was up lol

I agree with kleisto, when we ask the police a question they need to answer it.


it depends upon how much notice is given, and how urgent a situation it is,,, some situations dont really have the privilege of the kind of time it might take to explain to some people,,,,,,


and many crooks are too arrogant to believe they will be caught, or think they are being looked for, even with cops around,,,,,,,

msharmony's photo
Fri 04/26/13 12:26 PM

Man is not free unless government is limited. - Ronald Reagan


freedom is as limited as government,,,,there is nothing absolute and nothing that comes truly 'free'

government was probably more limited in the days that our country had SLAVES,, and they were far from free....took government to step in and end it,,,

community shouldnt be solely about individuals, as too much diversity exists for that to work, it should be about BASIC and LOGICAL boundaries that foster a society that is produtive, healthy and progressing,,,,


Dodo_David's photo
Fri 04/26/13 03:04 PM
Edited by Dodo_David on Fri 04/26/13 03:05 PM
government was probably more limited in the days that our country had SLAVES,, and they were far from free....took government to step in and end it,,,


Yeah, a government controlled by Republicans stepped in and ended slavery. :tongue:

msharmony's photo
Fri 04/26/13 03:13 PM

government was probably more limited in the days that our country had SLAVES,, and they were far from free....took government to step in and end it,,,


Yeah, a government controlled by Republicans stepped in and ended slavery. :tongue:


yep northern republicans stepped in against southern democrats,,,

demographics have changed though,,,

Kleisto's photo
Fri 04/26/13 03:35 PM





I think a bunch of heavily armed men in scary black clothing would alert criminals that something was up lol

I agree with kleisto, when we ask the police a question they need to answer it.


it depends upon how much notice is given, and how urgent a situation it is,,, some situations dont really have the privilege of the kind of time it might take to explain to some people,,,,,


Well if they're gonna be locking me in a place.....I think I deserve to know why...even if it's just as simple as saying they are looking for some criminal. Just give me SOMETHING.

Kleisto's photo
Fri 04/26/13 03:37 PM
Edited by Kleisto on Fri 04/26/13 03:41 PM


Man is not free unless government is limited. - Ronald Reagan


freedom is as limited as government,,,,there is nothing absolute and nothing that comes truly 'free'

government was probably more limited in the days that our country had SLAVES,, and they were far from free....took government to step in and end it,,,


We still have slaves now.....just the definition has changed.

When someone else can dictate to you what to do without you being able to say NO (like with these lockdowns), you are a slave to that person. And on many things when it comes to government we are not able to do this without risking fines or possible jail time. So whether you like it or not, whether you want to believe it or not, this makes us slaves.

and as far as basic and logical boundaries, all that needs to be in law is not to harm another person or infringe on their right to live freely. That's all the boundaries you need, anything else is just man trying to control one another.

FearandLoathing's photo
Fri 04/26/13 03:40 PM
...Oh ma GAWDZ! GUNZ!

I mean honestly, you act like this hasn't happened before.

Kleisto's photo
Fri 04/26/13 03:41 PM

...Oh ma GAWDZ! GUNZ!

I mean honestly, you act like this hasn't happened before.


I don't think it's been quite as bad as it's been getting lately.

FearandLoathing's photo
Fri 04/26/13 03:47 PM


...Oh ma GAWDZ! GUNZ!

I mean honestly, you act like this hasn't happened before.


I don't think it's been quite as bad as it's been getting lately.


When they were taking down the mob in the 40's and 50's bet your a* it was just as bad if not considerably worse given the laws were not nearly as stringent then.

Stop spreading your sensationalized irrational fears around like they are some type of new situation never before present in our country.

Or better yet why don't you move down into Oakland and tell me how nice it would be if the authorities would just leave, because Oakland is f*ed like Old Chicago.

Dodo_David's photo
Fri 04/26/13 03:56 PM


government was probably more limited in the days that our country had SLAVES,, and they were far from free....took government to step in and end it,,,


Yeah, a government controlled by Republicans stepped in and ended slavery. :tongue:


yep northern republicans stepped in against southern democrats,,,

demographics have changed though,,,


In his commentary titled "Five Decades of Lies Help Dems Create Monolithic Black Vote", African-American columnist Larry Elder writes the following:

. . . the GOP-is-racist meme can be heard nightly on MSNB-Hee Haw and in political science and history classes all over the country. Actor Morgan Freeman calls the tea party racist. Democratic National Committee Chair Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Fla., tells us that the GOP wants to "literally drag us all the way back to Jim Crow laws."

Keeping blacks ignorant of history remains crucial to this caricature of the Republican Party -- and to the monolithic Democratic black vote.



Dodo_David's photo
Fri 04/26/13 03:59 PM
Getting back to the original topic, what happened in Oakland was reported by ABC News.

Here is the url to the news story:

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=9078911

Kleisto's photo
Fri 04/26/13 04:41 PM



...Oh ma GAWDZ! GUNZ!

I mean honestly, you act like this hasn't happened before.


I don't think it's been quite as bad as it's been getting lately.


When they were taking down the mob in the 40's and 50's bet your a* it was just as bad if not considerably worse given the laws were not nearly as stringent then.

Stop spreading your sensationalized irrational fears around like they are some type of new situation never before present in our country.


I don't recall city wide lockdowns before.......it's not sensationalized or irrational when law enforcement power is growing by the day........

msharmony's photo
Fri 04/26/13 05:01 PM



Man is not free unless government is limited. - Ronald Reagan


freedom is as limited as government,,,,there is nothing absolute and nothing that comes truly 'free'

government was probably more limited in the days that our country had SLAVES,, and they were far from free....took government to step in and end it,,,


We still have slaves now.....just the definition has changed.

When someone else can dictate to you what to do without you being able to say NO (like with these lockdowns), you are a slave to that person. And on many things when it comes to government we are not able to do this without risking fines or possible jail time. So whether you like it or not, whether you want to believe it or not, this makes us slaves.

and as far as basic and logical boundaries, all that needs to be in law is not to harm another person or infringe on their right to live freely. That's all the boundaries you need, anything else is just man trying to control one another.


no , its man trying to keep some order

but many who live on the ideal of complete 'freedom' dont understand how easily order can become chaos without boundaries beyond the simplistic 'do no harm'

msharmony's photo
Fri 04/26/13 05:04 PM



government was probably more limited in the days that our country had SLAVES,, and they were far from free....took government to step in and end it,,,


Yeah, a government controlled by Republicans stepped in and ended slavery. :tongue:


yep northern republicans stepped in against southern democrats,,,

demographics have changed though,,,


In his commentary titled "Five Decades of Lies Help Dems Create Monolithic Black Vote", African-American columnist Larry Elder writes the following:

. . . the GOP-is-racist meme can be heard nightly on MSNB-Hee Haw and in political science and history classes all over the country. Actor Morgan Freeman calls the tea party racist. Democratic National Committee Chair Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Fla., tells us that the GOP wants to "literally drag us all the way back to Jim Crow laws."

Keeping blacks ignorant of history remains crucial to this caricature of the Republican Party -- and to the monolithic Democratic black vote.






how about this,, the south was traditionally and historically racist, the racist institution of slavery was very cherished and necessary for much of the wealth it acquired, so many southerners were all too comfortable letting it stand

when those southerners were the predominant vote in the democratic base,, they supported slavery

when demographics changed so that democrats were no longer predominately southern in their votes,, so did their support of slavery

its not a dem/rep thing as much as it still remains a 'north/south' thing and a haves and have nots thing,,,,

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