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Right, and that's why religion isn't a mandated part of life. that's a recent development... Texas in the 80's was controlled by the southern baptist, the blue laws had everything closed on Sundays... the SB still has a lot of pull, but nowhere near what it was... If you lived in Texas in the 80's (sorry if you did) why didn't you move? Just a thought, bud. i did, joined the navy... but if you look at American history, most of everything was bible based until around the end of the 60's, thats when the separation of church and state came into play... the change was very slow, to say the least... |
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Well, I think's it unfair to compare Jesus Christ to God the Father, as they are two separate entities. Was Jesus 50% human? absolutely; if not more than 50%. Jesus was just like you and me, bud. His life has been chronicled throughout history to give us an example on how to walk in his footsteps. I believe I'm kinda on the same page as toodygirl, in that Jesus is the "Son" and completely dissimilar from God himself. This is when we get into "fine lining" stuff. Jesus is OUR God. Don't know if Jesus' Father's name was originally included in the original scriptures. But in the english version(s) which most to all of us having these discussions reads, it only says God and not his name. But nevertheless Jesus is 100% our God. "God" is not the name of a species. It is a word used to show their authority over us. It is used to keep them higher then us and not make them "one of us". That is why the scriptures always say "Jesus is OUR God". And is why there is no contradiction when it says "Know ye not that ye are Gods" And "There is only one God, and the devils tremble". There is only one God, that is God the father. But the father has allowed for us to have dominion over the beasts of this world, or other words, he has given us "authority" over them. Thus now making us Gods. Since the english translation is just that, a translation. It is important to keep grammar in context. When it refers to the father it says "God" and when it refers to us it says "god(s)". huh... and didn't "god" say don't put any other gods before him?... sounds like your breaking a "god law" here... i'm not trying to put anyone's faith down here, but it is all man-made stories designed to appease/control the masses... they did a good trying to tie up the loose ends, but dividing god into 3 parts makes no sense... The trinity is not biblically based...it's origins are Babylonian. A great book to help understand how the Christian faith has been polluted is "The Two Babylons" The chart in this link explains the startling similarity between the Christian trinity, and that of other faiths. http://apostolics.net/trichrt1.html |
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Well, I think's it unfair to compare Jesus Christ to God the Father, as they are two separate entities. Was Jesus 50% human? absolutely; if not more than 50%. Jesus was just like you and me, bud. His life has been chronicled throughout history to give us an example on how to walk in his footsteps. I believe I'm kinda on the same page as toodygirl, in that Jesus is the "Son" and completely dissimilar from God himself. This is when we get into "fine lining" stuff. Jesus is OUR God. Don't know if Jesus' Father's name was originally included in the original scriptures. But in the english version(s) which most to all of us having these discussions reads, it only says God and not his name. But nevertheless Jesus is 100% our God. "God" is not the name of a species. It is a word used to show their authority over us. It is used to keep them higher then us and not make them "one of us". That is why the scriptures always say "Jesus is OUR God". And is why there is no contradiction when it says "Know ye not that ye are Gods" And "There is only one God, and the devils tremble". There is only one God, that is God the father. But the father has allowed for us to have dominion over the beasts of this world, or other words, he has given us "authority" over them. Thus now making us Gods. Since the english translation is just that, a translation. It is important to keep grammar in context. When it refers to the father it says "God" and when it refers to us it says "god(s)". huh... and didn't "god" say don't put any other gods before him?... sounds like your breaking a "god law" here... i'm not trying to put anyone's faith down here, but it is all man-made stories designed to appease/control the masses... they did a good trying to tie up the loose ends, but dividing god into 3 parts makes no sense... The trinity is not biblically based...it's origins are Babylonian. A great book to help understand how the Christian faith has been polluted is "The Two Babylons" The chart in this link explains the startling similarity between the Christian trinity, and that of other faiths. http://apostolics.net/trichrt1.html i didn't know that, thank you, i'll check it out... |
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Edited by
Conrad_73
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Mon 03/25/13 10:21 AM
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Well, I think's it unfair to compare Jesus Christ to God the Father, as they are two separate entities. Was Jesus 50% human? absolutely; if not more than 50%. Jesus was just like you and me, bud. His life has been chronicled throughout history to give us an example on how to walk in his footsteps. I believe I'm kinda on the same page as toodygirl, in that Jesus is the "Son" and completely dissimilar from God himself. This is when we get into "fine lining" stuff. Jesus is OUR God. Don't know if Jesus' Father's name was originally included in the original scriptures. But in the english version(s) which most to all of us having these discussions reads, it only says God and not his name. But nevertheless Jesus is 100% our God. "God" is not the name of a species. It is a word used to show their authority over us. It is used to keep them higher then us and not make them "one of us". That is why the scriptures always say "Jesus is OUR God". And is why there is no contradiction when it says "Know ye not that ye are Gods" And "There is only one God, and the devils tremble". There is only one God, that is God the father. But the father has allowed for us to have dominion over the beasts of this world, or other words, he has given us "authority" over them. Thus now making us Gods. Since the english translation is just that, a translation. It is important to keep grammar in context. When it refers to the father it says "God" and when it refers to us it says "god(s)". huh... and didn't "god" say don't put any other gods before him?... sounds like your breaking a "god law" here... i'm not trying to put anyone's faith down here, but it is all man-made stories designed to appease/control the masses... they did a good trying to tie up the loose ends, but dividing god into 3 parts makes no sense... The trinity is not biblically based...it's origins are Babylonian. A great book to help understand how the Christian faith has been polluted is "The Two Babylons" The chart in this link explains the startling similarity between the Christian trinity, and that of other faiths. http://apostolics.net/trichrt1.html i didn't know that, thank you, i'll check it out... How else would they have been able to elevate Jesus to God-hood otherwise? Paul was quite inventive,and as a Pharisee definitely well versed in ancient Scripture! |
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God is not God's name, so saying "?od damn it" sounds offensive, but it is not taking God's name in vain. God definitely does have a name. JEHOVAH is a pretty good transliteration if I am using that term correctly? And Jesus (again a transliteration) is the name of the Son. Distinct individuals, but both God. Just like snow, ice, water, steam are still H20 but just different forms. But that is a poor analogy and perhaps their isn't one that comes close.
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God is not God's name, so saying "?od damn it" sounds offensive, but it is not taking God's name in vain. God definitely does have a name. JEHOVAH is a pretty good transliteration if I am using that term correctly? And Jesus (again a transliteration) is the name of the Son. Distinct individuals, but both God. Just like snow, ice, water, steam are still H20 but just different forms. But that is a poor analogy and perhaps their isn't one that comes close. I looked up the meaning of Hallelujah, since I wanted to show this thread that this means 'Praise Jah"...Jah being a shortened form of Jehovah. But then I found this cool tidbit to share as well... The second part, Yah, is a shortened form of YHWH, the name for the Creator.[9] The name ceased to be pronounced in Second Temple Judaism, by the 3rd century BC due to religious beliefs.[22] The correct pronunciation is not known, however, it is sometimes rendered by Christians as "Yahweh" or "Jehovah". The Septuagint translates Yah as Kyrios (the LORD), because of the Jewish custom of replacing the sacred name with "Adonai", meaning "the Lord". |
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God is not God's name, so saying "?od damn it" sounds offensive, but it is not taking God's name in vain. God definitely does have a name. JEHOVAH is a pretty good transliteration if I am using that term correctly? And Jesus (again a transliteration) is the name of the Son. Distinct individuals, but both God. Just like snow, ice, water, steam are still H20 but just different forms. But that is a poor analogy and perhaps their isn't one that comes close. I looked up the meaning of Hallelujah, since I wanted to show this thread that this means 'Praise Jah"...Jah being a shortened form of Jehovah. But then I found this cool tidbit to share as well... The second part, Yah, is a shortened form of YHWH, the name for the Creator.[9] The name ceased to be pronounced in Second Temple Judaism, by the 3rd century BC due to religious beliefs.[22] The correct pronunciation is not known, however, it is sometimes rendered by Christians as "Yahweh" or "Jehovah". The Septuagint translates Yah as Kyrios (the LORD), because of the Jewish custom of replacing the sacred name with "Adonai", meaning "the Lord". smart and pretty... great combo! 
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Well, I think's it unfair to compare Jesus Christ to God the Father, as they are two separate entities. Was Jesus 50% human? absolutely; if not more than 50%. Jesus was just like you and me, bud. His life has been chronicled throughout history to give us an example on how to walk in his footsteps. I believe I'm kinda on the same page as toodygirl, in that Jesus is the "Son" and completely dissimilar from God himself. This is when we get into "fine lining" stuff. Jesus is OUR God. Don't know if Jesus' Father's name was originally included in the original scriptures. But in the english version(s) which most to all of us having these discussions reads, it only says God and not his name. But nevertheless Jesus is 100% our God. "God" is not the name of a species. It is a word used to show their authority over us. It is used to keep them higher then us and not make them "one of us". That is why the scriptures always say "Jesus is OUR God". And is why there is no contradiction when it says "Know ye not that ye are Gods" And "There is only one God, and the devils tremble". There is only one God, that is God the father. But the father has allowed for us to have dominion over the beasts of this world, or other words, he has given us "authority" over them. Thus now making us Gods. Since the english translation is just that, a translation. It is important to keep grammar in context. When it refers to the father it says "God" and when it refers to us it says "god(s)". The exclusion of the Father's name does offer a valid point of view. I suppose Jesus could have been sent (and even appointed by the Father) to be the God of the human world. Afterall, we humans do tend to assimilate our own likes to those of Jesus Christ, who happens to be easily relatable. His burdens have become our burdens. Thanks for offering that point of view, bud. And why would he have been "appointed" that? Genesis 2:4 4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens, He's the one that created us, why would he have to be "appointed" to anything? |
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God is not God's name, so saying "?od damn it" sounds offensive, but it is not taking God's name in vain. God definitely does have a name. JEHOVAH is a pretty good transliteration if I am using that term correctly? And Jesus (again a transliteration) is the name of the Son. Distinct individuals, but both God. Just like snow, ice, water, steam are still H20 but just different forms. But that is a poor analogy and perhaps their isn't one that comes close. I looked up the meaning of Hallelujah, since I wanted to show this thread that this means 'Praise Jah"...Jah being a shortened form of Jehovah. But then I found this cool tidbit to share as well... The second part, Yah, is a shortened form of YHWH, the name for the Creator.[9] The name ceased to be pronounced in Second Temple Judaism, by the 3rd century BC due to religious beliefs.[22] The correct pronunciation is not known, however, it is sometimes rendered by Christians as "Yahweh" or "Jehovah". The Septuagint translates Yah as Kyrios (the LORD), because of the Jewish custom of replacing the sacred name with "Adonai", meaning "the Lord". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah |
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maybe they invented jesus to show a more "humanlike" god type thing... before jesus, they no good idea of what god was, so they needed a visual...
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Right, and that's why religion isn't a mandated part of life. that's a recent development... Texas in the 80's was controlled by the southern baptist, the blue laws had everything closed on Sundays... the SB still has a lot of pull, but nowhere near what it was... If you lived in Texas in the 80's (sorry if you did) why didn't you move? Just a thought, bud. I do like this thread. This is off topic but it was brought up so. . . . Just a quick clarification here, The US was formed by many people, yes by almost all Christians, who put aside there "special interests"(their faith) and formed a country that was not controllable by a "religion", like other countries that were in the world at that time, (Because religion and faith are not the same thing. ) but under the control of the people. But you will find a clear message in the declarations of these brave men, chiefly "The Unanimous Declaration of the United States of America", that each persons rights were not given by the new government but granted by God. This included all men (people) regardless of there religion or skin color.(way before Lincoln and the slave issue). So while many Christians still state we were formed as a Christian nation, we actually were not. But We were built on a believe in a moral code (based on biblical principal) and the knowledge that we were going to follow good or evil by choice as a nation and it would be up the the people to maintain that direction not the government. (guess which way our nation is going now) So in Texas, it was not controlled by the baptist church. But the majority of the people who lived there and were in leadership for the state were Christians and chiefly Baptist. And there goal was to seek 'good' knowing what would happen if they didn't. Full circle: Remember, even when the best of us attempt to do what is right, evil is still right there to tempt us in our efforts. Romans 7:21 |
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Lordy lordy.... *taking a deep breath* That was quite an earful! I read it through, and I understand the gist of what you were saying...*I think*  In my viewpoint Jesus was 100% human. That was the whole point my friend... Adam was created a perfect human and he sinned. So Jesus had to live as a human, to prove that as a human, he could remain faithful to his God. Also, through Adam sin entered the world...so then through Jesus we have everlasting life. God's perfect sense of justice and wisdom could not have come up with a more perfect answer to Adam's failure. Your way too cute to beat up, but if I may inquire. This response is similar to my LDS friends use when we have friendly conversations about who Christ is. May I ask if your LDS? The importance is that we are then discussing what the Book of Mormon says about who Christ is instead of what the Bible says. If so, then the belief probably wouldn't be that Jesus was 100% man and 100% God. |
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Edited by
Hikerjohn
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So my take on the OP's question.
It opens up the question of the trinity and how to understand this. And we know from what the bible says that our knowledge individually is limited like looking through a very poor quality mirror( mirror dimly. Most mirrors in those days were polish metal like copper). So I will describe it in the same way I describe marriage. Some come together as 50% and 50% attempting for the union to make a 100% new thing. This is a dysfunctional marriage that falters each time one of the partners is not well. But instead, a healthy marriage is when there is a two solid individuals who are 100% self reliant (through the spirit) (or seeking self reliance) in there faith, emotions, ethics, morals, character, etc who come together to form a new entity in their marriage. Now we have a powerful couple who can do far more than there sum. They support each other when the other is in need but they are still two individuals outside the union but fully part of the union. 100% themselves and 100% Mr and Mrs. Christ needed to be flesh so he could be tempted when he was weak (40 days in the desert) and to past the test of choosing right over personal want. Something we cannot maintain our full lives. Maybe we can momentarily at best. He had to be of God as God is the only one who can put self aside to still honor his Fathers desires. So he had to be both or the whole intent is lost. And I am thankful He was. |
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Lordy lordy.... *taking a deep breath* That was quite an earful! I read it through, and I understand the gist of what you were saying...*I think* In my viewpoint Jesus was 100% human. That was the whole point my friend... Adam was created a perfect human and he sinned. So Jesus had to live as a human, to prove that as a human, he could remain faithful to his God. Also, through Adam sin entered the world...so then through Jesus we have everlasting life. God's perfect sense of justice and wisdom could not have come up with a more perfect answer to Adam's failure. Your way too cute to beat up, but if I may inquire. This response is similar to my LDS friends use when we have friendly conversations about who Christ is. May I ask if your LDS? The importance is that we are then discussing what the Book of Mormon says about who Christ is instead of what the Bible says. If so, then the belief probably wouldn't be that Jesus was 100% man and 100% God. Well thank you sir...*blush* I'm not affiliated with any faith these days per se. I was raised strict Catholic and through childhood and adolesence learned that it just wasn't the faith for me. Doctrines never made sense, even to my five year old mind when I was grounded for asking waaayyyyy too many questions. In my early childhood home, the Bible was just a dusty book on a shelf, used to record births, deaths and marriages, but heaven forbid if I actually wanted to read it! *shock!* *horror!*  When I was a young adult I became JW and was very active in teaching the scriptures to the Deaf as a 'pioneer' for many years. I eventually burned out and left the faith. Now I don't know what 'umbrella' I fit under. All I know is that I love our God, Jah, with all my heart. I continue to study the scriptures, but now enjoy the freedom of not being told what I can and cannot believe. Pretty liberating I must say...  I just don't like being told what to believe and what not to believe. I need to understand and it must have logic. Plain and simple. So to tell me I must believe something and not ask why...I become much like a stubborn mule and dig my heels in.  But anyhooo....wayyyyy  OP I apologize...carry on folks! |
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Lordy lordy.... *taking a deep breath* That was quite an earful! I read it through, and I understand the gist of what you were saying...*I think* In my viewpoint Jesus was 100% human. That was the whole point my friend... Adam was created a perfect human and he sinned. So Jesus had to live as a human, to prove that as a human, he could remain faithful to his God. Also, through Adam sin entered the world...so then through Jesus we have everlasting life. God's perfect sense of justice and wisdom could not have come up with a more perfect answer to Adam's failure. Your way too cute to beat up, but if I may inquire. This response is similar to my LDS friends use when we have friendly conversations about who Christ is. May I ask if your LDS? The importance is that we are then discussing what the Book of Mormon says about who Christ is instead of what the Bible says. If so, then the belief probably wouldn't be that Jesus was 100% man and 100% God. Well thank you sir...*blush* I'm not affiliated with any faith these days per se. I was raised strict Catholic and through childhood and adolesence learned that it just wasn't the faith for me. Doctrines never made sense, even to my five year old mind when I was grounded for asking waaayyyyy too many questions. In my early childhood home, the Bible was just a dusty book on a shelf, used to record births, deaths and marriages, but heaven forbid if I actually wanted to read it! *shock!* *horror!* When I was a young adult I became JW and was very active in teaching the scriptures to the Deaf as a 'pioneer' for many years. I eventually burned out and left the faith. Now I don't know what 'umbrella' I fit under. All I know is that I love our God, Jah, with all my heart. I continue to study the scriptures, but now enjoy the freedom of not being told what I can and cannot believe. Pretty liberating I must say... I just don't like being told what to believe and what not to believe. I need to understand and it must have logic. Plain and simple. So to tell me I must believe something and not ask why...I become much like a stubborn mule and dig my heels in. But anyhooo....wayyyyy OP I apologize...carry on folks! I think it is right on topic. And, being raised Catholic I fully understand your view. And I fully support your desire to grow in "Faith" instead of a religion. The issues that divide the different Christian religions are mans issues not Gods. You are among many who are figuring this out. So power to you. Just remember to keep leaning on others so your not leaning only your understanding. Let your understanding be challenged by others and then go back to biblical principle to see what it says. |
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Edited by
heavenlyboy34
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Y'all need to read Augustine and the other founders and saints of the Orthodox and Catholic churches. The 10,000+ protestant denominations just make stuff up as they go along.
Augustine, for example, dealt with the question of the trinity in great detail because it made no sense to the pagans he was trying to teach. |
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The Bible describes an encounter with alien beings, so totally non-human, they could have created halfway beings .. mating with earthly women
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Theaching-note
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In my viewpoint Jesus was 100% human. That was the whole point my friend... Adam was created a perfect human and he sinned. So Jesus had to live as a human, to prove that as a human, he could remain faithful to his God. Also, through Adam sin entered the world...so then through Jesus we have everlasting life. God's perfect sense of justice and wisdom could not have come up with a more perfect answer to Adam's failure. There is no remission/foregiveness of sin without the shedding of blood the Bible teaches. And, the wages of sin is death. Animal sacrifice was done every year by the priests, but this was only a gesture of what was to come (Jesus) and could not permanantly pay for sin and redeem mankind. Jesus was a full, perfect, and sufficient sacrafice for this sins of the whole world, the Bible tells us. You can not get to heaven on your owm merits. All your righteous acts are like filthy rags to God (JEHOVAH). Only through belief/trust in Jesus, and his righteous life and sacraficial death, can a person gain entrance to heaven. It is not your own merits. Grace is the free gift of eternal life through God's Son Jesus. |
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1. Jehovah is the German transcription of the Latin vocalization of the Hebrew
2. Jah is the g-d of the Rastas 3. There is no original sin in the Jewish faith; it is a concept developed by St Augustine |
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