Of course money defines people Pyx, but so does looks, personality, intelligence, skills, and lots of other "stuff"...I think Kristie said it best...Not gonna date the guy on the street corner and it certainly makes sense to date someone who can carry their own weight...I can't imagine respecting (or even having anything in common with) a guy who was OK spending his time sitting on his azz while I supported us but I do not measure anyone's worth by the size of their bank account and if I am attracted to a guy who is just scraping by that fact would not stop me from dating him....

Money is not the begining or end of relationships but the attitudes about it generally are.

Sadly money is often power in relationships. So is sex. To often one is traded for the other which in my mind pretty much lowers the trade to prostitution on both sides of the deal. And doesn't give either side much sense of comfort.

I personally could give a rats behind if a guy has a lot of money. After a certain point, bills getting paid, food on the table, maybe once in a while buying something you really don't need is enough for me because more it is just stuff and I have more stuff than I need.

I am not a kid anymore and I have managed to get past living in a rented room, eating ramin, and drinking out of dixie cups and yea I expect the man in my life to have done the same. It takes responsibility and sacrifice to have a little something something. I have done it and not going to hand over what I have if they have nothing.

I am not going to bust on him for having to go to work, even odd hours, but if I am the last priority in his life and he can't tell me boo so I can know when he is coming around that he can throw down fat cash when he thinks he wants to get around to me is not going to fly.

What means the most to me is someone that is honest enough to say hey I have an idea that it would be nice to do this together. It could be pancakes at McD's or something fancy like going on a cruise but it is more about wanting to do it together than what it is.

You give me a guy that wants to be with only me; will will come around, share the decisions he is making in his life, and sees if I need help getting my chores done and cares if I have a good day or comfort to get through a tough one that is the guy I am going to sacrifice for and go out of my way to look pretty for and want to "comfort".

Heeeey,i do look at his workschedule-i have to know if he has enough time to spend with me!! Time greedy-YES,iam!!

Huhm,in my country,99% of women are in it for the money-and a tiny bit of love!! 80% of the men are in it for the money and the sex-no love!! This is reality!!

Buzzer aaaannnn, I have never ever ever been called stingy ever ever. My women have a quality above money or they are not my women. It's true, nags are out the door, but right along with money grubbers. I may be speaking way out of turn for some, but I personally can not do the money thing with a gal. If she does not have her head on straighter than to put a piece of paper or plastic in the equation she is frankly not worth my time. This country is screwing it's love life over so bad due to this money thing and we have no idea how bad. I may be the smallest of small minorities here on this but than again how many women do I need to choose from? I like my odds a lot better.

When you women (and guys) end up lonely and on a dating site with no results, you might want to look at why. It's not for the lack of numbers. Holy smokes, I get asked out more than Hugh Hefner. What is it that causes long term satisfaction? Is it money? Really? I've been in the wrong circles I guess. Well michael that's because you have money, really? I've been on mingle after getting my biz busted and with my biz flying high and it hasn't changed my views one little bit. I can see a woman not wanting a "lazy man", but in todays world a man struggling? Please ladies tell me your more quality than that.

I've even seen some say "you shouldn't date till you have your money woe over", really? You guys gotta help me with this cause this just seems low life to me.

I hope I'm not making folks mad, really I'm not. This might be something that I have been completely naive about. I might be that 1% who has had great relations with or without. I see this talked about all the time on here and really gals it's a big turn off to me. I'm not in the position where I need to find love but holy smokes this kind of talk really scares the B-Jesus out of me.

I wish you gals would at least tell me how much you want lol. I'll start saving I guess. And this comes with a warranty right? So when you run out of love, I just do a trade in correct? Now is this a flat rate, and do I tie this to sex? You see the more I read, guys want sex and girls want money, right? Hmmmm thought that was illegal? Well I am in Vegas so why not. Ok, so you guys negotiate love and money right?

Let's break it down to see if I can afford it.

Woman $$$
Woman and sex $$$
Woman and kids $$$
Woman and kids and cat $$$ (dog extra)
Woman and meals $$$ (dutch $$$)
Woman with moods, kids, cat, dog, no sex, no meals $$$
Woman (last years model) $$$
Woman (premium babe) $$$ extended stay $$$
Woman (independent) NC (comes with nagging and a variety of options)

Let me give some advise (Oh no)
What you put in the air is exactly what you are going to get! When you roll this stuff around in your mind you end up with what your rolling around with.

A business friend of mine told me a long time ago "don't waste time on the wrong words". Most of the world looks at things like the whatever 90% or what ever you want to call it, but this doesn't mean that you have to live by that rule. If love to you is about money it's because you have made it that way. And I have news, you more than likely are going to end up with a guy either in front of you or behind your back that is going to treat you that way. If you make yourself a product (no matter how you word it) he's going to treat you like one. You don't think he's going to strip clubs and or looking for a trade up? Don't fool yourself.

Those of you who really want to be independant, I hope this is something you really want cause your gonna get it. Your mans gonna have his own life completely seperate from you and most of the time your never gonna have any idea what that life is. The 90% is gonna look at you right in the face and bold face lie. Your gonna defend him to others but It's always gonna stick with you.

Most people who talk about financial freedom haven't a clue what it is. The 90% are slaves to their funds and the worry that comes with "freedom" is a nightmere. Every Time the bills roll around that pain of losing what I have comes knocking.

Every selfish thought or word that you throw out there is going to land right in your lap. You can't eat a fish sandwich and call it a burger, and you can't tie your hopes to security and call it money. Security and money are completely two different things. Didn't the bank collapse tell you anything? How many of you lost in the bank collapse? I did. Am I ever going to see it again? Nope. Can it happen tomorrow? Yep.

If you build your house on shifting sand you will very likely at some time watch that house fall, or live a life of unfulfilled dreams, pretending to others that your right where you want to be. That's the 90%.

That 1 or 10%, whatever the heck it is, lives a life that is not bound by the 90%. We have decided to roll the dice good or bad, better or worse, rich or poor, healthy or not. To us freedom has nothing to do with our bank account and everything with making sure that from morning till night we got the most out of it, and we are in each others arms. We don't look outside of our own happiness, but we do welcome others to join us. We spend our time trying to think of good instead of dwelling on bad. When troubles come we hold tighter and don't point the finger of blame at each other. There's no such thing as lazy in our lives cause we love work and have accepted it as a part of us and not something to run away from with hate every night. We're not thinking of what to get cause we're too busy having fun giving. When we don't have anything to give, we take what we do have and give it to the poor, because we now understand how they feel. We don't mind being at the bottom so much because it gives us a chance to look up, and we don't look at our position at the top as a chance to look down. We love pulling people along and seeing them find their true self worth, and we try our best to forgive quickly when we gain understanding. We look at each other with true amazement and wonder how we got so lucky. We enjoy the uniqueness about each other instead of seeing a flaw to change. We accept each other as different but would love to crawl inside of the others skin. There are no needs for breaks because we are each others vacation.

For me, yep, I'm glad to be outside the 90%. You can have all the money you want, give me one day of true love and make that day repeat itself for a life time. That's how I roll. When I have it it's used and when I don't I remember when I did and enjoy the memories. Money will not be my jailer and my woman completely gets it. We live for right now and we work hard to make more nows, not because we are greedy, but because we have ambitions and love to achieve.

Sometimes I just don't know what the heck you guys are talking about. I love you but I just don't know.

Standing up and applauding.
Hear hear....the words of wisdom finally!
I've been reading this thread and thinking that it's strange that no one has mentioned financial responsibility.
If a man can't be responsible with his finances, no matter if he works at Mickey Dees or if he's a corporate lawyer, then I'd be nervous committing my heart to him.
I don't really care what we do....some of my best dates have been getting lost in the woods, or 2am cups of cawffee at the corner coffee shop. What matters is how he treats me, and how I feel when with him.
I once dated a very very rich man and I was 'expected' to look a certain way on some of our out goings because of interactions with his business partners and 'networking'. He was more concerned with our image than with what we did together or with how I felt.
Needless to say, once I got the gist of things, I was out of there faster than you can blink. Stuff the caviar up yer butt mister...this little lady is outta here!

*tugs you down off the soap box and gives you a big soul drenching kiss*
Will you marry me??
*giggle*

Why certainly, but I have to check with my accountant first. wink

Be careful Ruth! Don't break him , we only have one! ...........And Michael, you better not be including little ole me in that all encompassing "you guys" phrase so neatly tucked into your closing statement... Money, pffft!...I think big hands hearts, I MEAN HEARTS!! say much more about a man's integrity...

u r right, i agree

Morning Ranny! ...Thank you! ........AND WELCOME TO MINGLE!

I like it when some people say money doesn't mean anything, only love, then turn around and spend thousands of dollars on their weddings.

People do that!?!

I'm not talking about prostitution when a men or women sells their body for money.I'm talking about a serious relationship you can't start it without money but as time goes on when you begin to love each other you must spend money is the simple truth.Even if your partner is rich if you truly loves her you will still spend money to buy her gifts just to make her happy and show her you care. Men that preaches love without money most of the time are men that are looking for free sex only. They don't make a good husband they hardly settle down because they keep looking for free love. Think about it you want a woman to love you but when she need you care and attendition you will say money is not related to love. Most of time is not the amount you spend that matter is the amount you spend because of love that matters. Even if you aren'financial bouquet the little money you spend because of love is more honorable than millions you spend to show off. If you don't spend for the women you love it means you don't truly loves her you are just using her. Lol you can't get married without spending money or maybe the woman should take care of the wedding financially while the wife take care of bed matters only that is cheating and selfishness I'm done with this issue don't mis understand me is time to face the truth.

SDSCFof2 and Mckinnon, this is directed to both of you.

If you are the common denominator, is it possible that not ALL women are materialistic leaches, but just the ones you have been attracted to, and thus experienced?

It's just that I've noticed a lot of men who like “Barbie” but not the maintenance for which she has grown accustomed to.


Hey, I was right! That DID come out nicer than, ”Barbie don’t come cheap fellas”.

*high five*

pyxxie is right.

OK u can have Ruth. I'll take the money....

ahhh yes....and why it is that I am still single :)

so who's looking for barbie?