in michigan they use to have random drug testing but the american civil liberties union took the state to court and now they can only be tested if there is some suspicion.

There is generally an under lying reason for addictions. Until you resolve that the person is just as sick or handicapped as an amputee or a terminally ill person. To refuse them the tools to get back on their feet is inhumane and cruel!

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fanta and i just agreed.

Hi Lulu ,

In an earlier post, you said if there were random drug tests for welfare recipients, some needy people would be afraid to apply.

WHY???????????????

If they're not on drugs, they have nothing to worry about.

If they are.......
If they're that needy for welfare, where they getting the money for their drugs from?
Sounds like these people need to start rethinking their priorities in life. Especially if they have kids. And to any bleeding heart who posts with "but kicking the drug habit is HARD",well, here's a little info for you. Yeah, it's hard--especially when you're sitting on yer rump all day, smoking crack, and not doing a damn thing to straighten your life out!

This attitude of the stereotypical welfare or subsidized housing recipient is why people who need help don't apply.Just one more humiliation piled on to the humiliation of being poor and needing help.How's about when you get a loan,you have to piss cause you might use it for drugs.Alcholism and addiction are recognized diseases.They should be able to get welfare provided they enter a court approved program.Last time I knew you had to have probable cause to test someone for drugs or alchohol.

well before i go to WORK(not sitting on my ass smoking crack lulu)i have to say you must be either on drugs or something the children matter not the parents and if the parents are on drugs then they need to be taken away any ways ,you just need to get a grip becouse i don't think you anti drug ..........if more ppl thought like you did then everyone would be on drugs

yep cute is right on there

Wolf lulu doesn't do drugs ,neither do I.Try to sound intelligent instead of talking like some redneck cracker.

hi Robin

hi cutie

whitewolf, last I looked addictions where recognized diseases.
Who are you to judge whether or why somebody is on drugs?

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just a new kind of white sheet and hood

Have you ever noticed when people change their lives they tend to become holier than thou..
We forget where we come from...

I'm not saying it's right at all to support them & yes the system needs work...

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((((Invisible,Cutie)))))

White, Hi & welcome to the forums!!

hugz dear

anything can be improved

but to degrade and say things with no foundation is just wrong

Almost everyone agreed here that the drug tests for welfare people was a good idea so I probably am going to rattle some cages.

First I love the idea about testing congress. On the other hand those guys are most likely all on prescription meds so the issue would be gray rather than black and white.

People here should keep in mind that huge percentages of the population here are on prescription medication, many of them quite heavy. And huge percentages of people are on illegal drugs as well.

It seems to me that in light of the large percentages of people who take mind altering medications that you are wanting to unnecessarily single out some unfortunate few who are unable to manage their own lives.

There are going to be some percentage of people in any society who are just going to be unwilling or unable to work. Some of these will be on drugs, maybe even a large portion of them. Some will be artists with their own pie in the sky that they are reaching towards. Some you will be unable to explain under any circumstances. Remember that a large portion of the rest of the population is on drugs too.

I think you have to give a little for those who fall outside the normal expected and accepted guidelines. If you don't you will be heaping one hardship on top of another. People who need this sort of help are going to need it whether you qualify them or not. But either way, if you don't help them they still need to eat. If you don't mind more beggars on the street and higher crime rates than maybe what you say makes sense. But I propose that the cost of housing them in jail or mental institutions will be quite a bit higher and harder on society as well.

I work almost every day and I pay taxes. I don't take drugs, prescription or illegal.

well said philosopher

i do not see anything there that i should argue with

bravo