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Topic: what is your opinion about Hell and Heaven
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Sun 03/03/13 02:31 PM
Do you believe there is hell and heaven and all sinner will go hell while the righteous ones will go to heaven? Do you believe in the second coming of Christ?.

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Sun 03/03/13 04:52 PM
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Sun 03/03/13 04:54 PM
Yep.

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Sun 03/03/13 05:36 PM
No one will go to hell. Come judgement eg., the second coming of Christ hell is thrown into the lake of fire including all those whom did not accept Christ. This is known as the second death.

revelations 20

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Jennerling's photo
Sun 03/03/13 06:13 PM
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Sun 03/03/13 07:51 PM

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Is there a reason why you chose to use ad hominem?

Jennerling's photo
Sun 03/03/13 07:58 PM
I wasn't trying to offend, but the idea of it sounds completely demented.scared

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Sun 03/03/13 08:09 PM
Edited by Dodo_David on Sun 03/03/13 08:09 PM
Revelation 20:13-15: "And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." (ESV)

As it turns out, the name Hell isn't from the Bible, but rather is from Norse mythology. The Greek New Testament manuscripts talk about Hades, not Hell. That is why modern English versions of the Bible use the correct translation "Hades" in the above-quoted Bible passage instead of the incorrect translation "Hell", which the Geneva Bible and the KJV use.


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Sun 03/03/13 08:10 PM
mythology

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Mon 03/04/13 06:22 AM

Revelation 20:13-15: "And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." (ESV)

As it turns out, the name Hell isn't from the Bible, but rather is from Norse mythology. The Greek New Testament manuscripts talk about Hades, not Hell. That is why modern English versions of the Bible use the correct translation "Hades" in the above-quoted Bible passage instead of the incorrect translation "Hell", which the Geneva Bible and the KJV use.




The word we translate "hell" from is hebrew, sheol. Which also translates into grave.

Where people got this conception of what people see hell as today is beyond me. That's all hell is, is the grave.

Thus why it says hell gave up it's dead.

Revelation 20:13
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works

Notice it doesn't say anything about any graves, the ground, or anything. Which would be quite strange, since most to all the dead are buried in the ground. But it does make sense since "hell" means grave.

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Mon 03/04/13 06:31 AM


The word we translate "hell" from is hebrew, sheol. Which also translates into grave.

Where people got this conception of what people see hell as today is beyond me. That's all hell is, is the grave.





From Bible-thumping preachers expounding on it!

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Mon 03/04/13 06:44 AM



The word we translate "hell" from is hebrew, sheol. Which also translates into grave.

Where people got this conception of what people see hell as today is beyond me. That's all hell is, is the grave.





From Bible-thumping preachers expounding on it!



The word we translate "hell" from is hebrew, sheol. Which also translates into grave.

Where people got this conception of what people see hell as today is beyond me. That's all hell is, is the grave.

Thus why it says hell gave up it's dead.

Revelation 20:13
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works

Notice it doesn't say anything about any graves, the ground, or anything. Which would be quite strange, since most to all the dead are buried in the ground. But it does make sense since "hell" means grave.




And that's why there's no mention of the creation of hell in the beginning. When this all was first created, we had eternal life. So therefore no need for any graves or "hell". Hell is not a creation, it's not a place, it's the grave. Which again why there is no mention of hell before the fall of Adam and Eve.

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Mon 03/04/13 06:49 AM
I always just thought Hell was the name of the lake of fire.

Did not know it meant grave.

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Mon 03/04/13 10:33 AM
The word we translate "hell" from is hebrew, sheol. Which also translates into grave.


huh The books of the New Testament were originally written in Koiné Greek for a Greek-speaking audience. The author of the book of Revelation used the word Hades, which a Greek-speaking audience would have recognized as the dwelling place of deceased people.

According to the Online Etymology Dictionary, the word Hell is Proto-Germanic in its origin.

Where people got this conception of what people see hell as today is beyond me. That's all hell is, is the grave.


The Greek concept of Hades refers to a place where all deceased people dwell, not to a specific form of punishment. In Revelation 20:13-15, we learn that Hades is thrown into the lake of fire.

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Mon 03/04/13 11:01 AM
I believe in the Kingdom of God and those not found in the book of Life will have their part in the lake of fire.

As for Heaven and Hell, it depends on which part of the Bible you look at. I did a study on the Greek words in the New Testament. I found the Greek word for Heaven usually meant sky with on referring to the celestial bodies. However I found three words that translated into Hell. One was Gehenna, which was the trash pit that Jesus used. There was one other place Gehenna was used and referred to our tongues. The rest of the New Testament was Hades, which meant the grave. One exception was Tartrus, which was used I think in the book of Peter dealing with Satan.

Now from my understanding, when we die we all return to God, Ecclesiastes & Corinthians. That is Heaven and Earth will pass away and a New Heaven in Earth is born. This is sometimes referred to as the 3rd Earth age and will be the Heaven that is our reward for staying true to God. All evil will die the second death at the end of the 2nd Earth Age when it is cast into the lake of fire, with Satan, his Angels and all those whose name is not written in the Book of Life.

That is the short hand version of my understanding.

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Mon 03/04/13 12:46 PM

The word we translate "hell" from is hebrew, sheol. Which also translates into grave.


huh The books of the New Testament were originally written in Koiné Greek for a Greek-speaking audience. The author of the book of Revelation used the word Hades, which a Greek-speaking audience would have recognized as the dwelling place of deceased people.

According to the Online Etymology Dictionary, the word Hell is Proto-Germanic in its origin.

Where people got this conception of what people see hell as today is beyond me. That's all hell is, is the grave.


The Greek concept of Hades refers to a place where all deceased people dwell, not to a specific form of punishment. In Revelation 20:13-15, we learn that Hades is thrown into the lake of fire.



Exactly, place of the dead eg., the grave. A temporary holding place awaiting for things to pass and finish awaiting the second coming of Christ.

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Mon 03/04/13 03:06 PM
The current heaven and hell: From the point of view of interested parties (i.e., you and I and the whole human family), everyone, in the teaching of the Bible, will end up in one of these two places. That is to say, there is no "oblivion" in the biblical teaching of these doctrines. For there will be a resurrection of both the wicked and the righteous (Dan.12:2; cf. Is.26:19; Jn.5:28-29; Rev.20). But even before this eschatological finality, there is no "soul sleep" - the righteous dead go to "heaven" immediately after death, while the unrighteous dead go to "hell". Heaven and hell are the respective accommodations made by God for mankind after death (following our ejection from paradise). It is one of these two places that we shall await the Kingdom of Heaven and the coming of the New Jerusalem (for those who choose for God in this life), or the final consignment to the lake of fire (for those who choose against God in this life). Hades, another Greek term used for the subterranean place of torments where the unbelieving dead now find themselves, is described as being below the earth (e.g., it is often referred to as "the pit"). This is a place of suffering (cf. Lk.16:19-31), and remains to this the day the abode of the unsaved dead until the time of the last judgment (Rev.20). On the other hand, until Christ's victory at the cross, and until His resurrection, ascension to God's temple in heaven, and session at the Father's right hand, the saved dead were also taken to a subterranean venue, variously known as "Abraham's bosom" or "paradise" (Lk.16:22; 23:43).

After these wondrous events (which mark the conjunction of all the ages from God's point of view), the saved dead have been taken to "heaven" (by which we mean the "third heaven" or the place of God's heavenly temple: cf. Rev.7:9-17). Other than our Lord, no one has yet been resurrected (cf. 1Cor.15:23-24), so that the bodies now occupied by the saved and unsaved dead in heaven and hell respectively are only temporary, interim accommodations, just as the present heaven and hell are temporary.

    see: The Earthly Tabernacle and Temple as a Type of the Heavenly Temple

3. The ultimate heaven and hell: The original dwelling place of God was the earth (cf. Is.14; Ezek.28). His heavenly temple or tabernacle is a temporary abode occupied to keep separation between His holiness and the universe profaned by the devil's revolt. Ultimately, however, the present heaven and earth will be burned to nothing and replaced with the new heavens and the new earth (2Pet.3:10-13; Rev.21:1). This event follows immediately on the heels of the final phase of the resurrection, and the last judgment of the unsaved dead and their subsequent consignment to the lake of fire (Matt.25:41; Rev.20:10). But while the unsaved dead will be deposited in this burning lake forevermore, the home of the righteous resurrected to eternal life will be in the New Jerusalem, the city "whose architect and builder is God" (Heb.11:10; cf. Heb.13:14), and whose location will be on the earth, that is, the New Earth (Rev.21-22; cf. Heb.12:22-23).

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Mon 03/04/13 03:06 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Mon 03/04/13 03:07 PM

Do you believe there is hell and heaven and all sinner will go hell while the righteous ones will go to heaven? Do you believe in the second coming of Christ?.



No, I don't believe in any of that.

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Wed 03/06/13 09:39 AM
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Wed 03/06/13 11:10 AM
Edited by 1Cynderella on Wed 03/06/13 11:10 AM
I don’t believe in heaven and hell in a traditional or religious sense.

To me the concept of heaven and hell, as they’ve been depicted by every religion and every culture throughout the world, are similar illustrations of our inherent understanding of the existence of right and wrong, good and evil, yen and yang.

I believe heaven and hell are both nothing more than a state of mind.

If you live a life of happiness, kindness, compassion, generosity and understanding, you ALREADY reside in a mental state of heaven.

If you live a life of sadness, anger, bitterness, selfishness and intolerance, then you ARE a resident of your own mental hell.

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