Topic: HB Particle May Spell Doom For the Universe
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Tue 02/19/13 08:26 PM

If you believe the body is only a shell carrying a soul or energy force then their is life without an universe.


But does not the energy our shells carry not only link us to the universe, but make us an intragal part of it?

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Tue 02/19/13 08:34 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Tue 02/19/13 08:36 PM

BOSTON — A subatomic particle discovered last year that may be the long-sought Higgs boson might doom our universe to an unfortunate end, researchers say.

The mass of the particle, which was uncovered at the world's largest particle accelerator — the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) in Geneva — is a key ingredient in a calculation that portends the future of space and time.

"This calculation tells you that many tens of billions of years from now there'll be a catastrophe," Joseph Lykken, a theoretical physicist at the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory in Batavia, Ill., said Monday (Feb. 18) here at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science.

"It may be the universe we live in is inherently unstable, and at some point billions of years from now it's all going to get wiped out," added Lykken, a collaborator on one of the LHC's experiments. [Gallery: Search for the Higgs Boson]

The Higgs boson particle is a manifestation of an energy field pervading the universe called the Higgs field, which is thought to explain why particles have mass. After searching for decades for proof that this field and particle existed, physicists at the LHC announced in July 2012 that they'd discovered a new particle whose properties strongly suggest it is the Higgs boson.

To confirm the particle's identity for sure, more data are needed. But many scientists say they're betting it's the Higgs.

"This discovery to me was personally astounding," said I. Joseph Kroll, a University of Pennsylvania physicist who also works at the LHC. "To me, the Higgs was sort of, it might be there, it might not. The fact that it's there is really a tremendous accomplishment."

And finding the Higgs, if it's truly been found, not only confirms the theory about how particles get mass, but it allows scientists to make new calculations that weren't possible before the particle's properties were known.

For example, the mass of the new particle is about 126 billion electron volts, or about 126 times the mass of the proton. If that particle really is the Higgs, its mass turns out to be just about what's needed to make the universe fundamentally unstable, in a way that would cause it to end catastrophically in the far future.

That's because the Higgs field is thought to be everywhere, so it affects the vacuum of empty space-time in the universe.

"The mass of the Higgs is related to how stable the vacuum is," explained Christopher Hill, a theoretical physicist at the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory. "It's right along the critical line. That could either be a cosmic coincidence, or it could be that there's some physics that's causing that. That's something new, which we didn't know before."

Strikingly, if the Higgs mass were just a few percent different, the universe wouldn't be doomed, the scientists said.

But even if the universe is in for an unfortunate end, there is at least one reason for consolation.

"You won't actually see it, because it will come at you at the speed of light," Lykken said. "So in that sense don't worry."


whoa how stupid...maybe they should study it few a few more years...



Yep all of the O.P. is pretty stupid.

Oh well, nothing lasts forever especially a simulated universe.
Not to worry though, we are working on another one to take its place.

I believe the universe is alive, and being alive, it is like any other organism... it will not live forever.

However, source, (consciousness or the life force) is infinite.


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Tue 02/19/13 08:35 PM
that depends on whether you believe the body constrains the energy or not.

Personally I think its a mixture of both. I think you can touch upon things whilst in the body but only truely experience the entirety once you have left the shell.

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Tue 02/19/13 08:46 PM
Edited by Winlei on Tue 02/19/13 08:51 PM

yeah we are. But that is with the ideology that cause must come before effect.

If time were to go backwards then that would no longer be true.

Effect would occur before cause.

So are we alive after all?

No. If the universe will be wiped out, can you live without the universe?

*hey! my post repost all by itself.*

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Tue 02/19/13 08:51 PM
Edited by lastguy7 on Tue 02/19/13 08:56 PM
Yeah because life does not cease. Only the form it takes does.

It was such a good question thats why happy

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Tue 02/19/13 09:31 PM
Edited by Winlei on Tue 02/19/13 09:37 PM
I do not believe that our universe is a simulation. The universe consists of finite and infinite object. Our world consists of living and non living things. If ever the universe will be simulated can scientist make a soil, rocks,sea? Millions of mind joined together cannot reach the knowledge of GOD. This i believe that every tiny cells in an organism has a function and that is a miracle that no science can surpassed

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Tue 02/19/13 10:23 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Tue 02/19/13 10:24 PM
There are no miracles. There is only the life force. Everything can be explained and known .... eventually. After all, we have infinity. We, consciousness, are infinite.




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Tue 02/19/13 10:35 PM
How can you explain the unexplainable? There is a limit of everything. Even knowledge have limits. Our life hAs a limit. But even then when we die this universe will still remain no matter what science uncover.

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Tue 02/19/13 10:35 PM
How can you explain the unexplainable? There is a limit of everything. Even knowledge have limits. Our life hAs a limit. But even then when we die this universe will still remain no matter what science uncover.

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Wed 02/20/13 12:50 AM
within the constraints of the human body I agree.

But afterwards, I believe it would make an interesting calculation.

Thought is infinite as is gaining knowledge.

Maybe the only restrictions you would have are thinking of the questions.


Another theory of course is that your energy is one with the universe and all of its secrets are immediately unlocked so that you dont need to ask the questions

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Wed 02/20/13 02:07 AM

within the constraints of the human body I agree.
(((you agree that there is miracle?)))
But afterwards, I believe it would make an interesting calculation.

Thought is infinite as is gaining knowledge.

Maybe the only restrictions you would have are thinking of the questions.
(((why are there restriction in thinking of a question?)))

Another theory of course is that your energy is one with the universe and all of its secrets are immediately unlocked so that you dont need to ask the questions

Its not a theory its a fact. Do you really believe that the universe will be destroyed? Well i will only believed if they study the in a close proximity.

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Wed 02/20/13 02:07 AM

within the constraints of the human body I agree.
(((you agree that there is miracle?)))
But afterwards, I believe it would make an interesting calculation.

Thought is infinite as is gaining knowledge.

Maybe the only restrictions you would have are thinking of the questions.
(((why are there restriction in thinking of a question?)))

Another theory of course is that your energy is one with the universe and all of its secrets are immediately unlocked so that you dont need to ask the questions

Its not a theory its a fact. Do you really believe that the universe will be destroyed? Well i will only believed if they study the in a close proximity.

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Wed 02/20/13 02:35 AM
I dont see it as a miracle.
I just believe it is a natural state of evolution.
Just like when a caterpiller turns into a butterfly.

Who is to say the caterpiller ( if it had self awareness), wouldnt think of the crysallis as death.

We know it turns into a butterfly and therefore its not much of a leap of faith to think we do the same.

The last point you made, I dont believe is a fact.

I dont believe we become all knowing after death.

I do believe that the knowledge is accessible though and that your previous body (life) experiences enable you to ask the right questions.

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Wed 02/20/13 02:45 AM
As for the universe being destroyed.

Probably is my answer.

They are playing with things they only have a limited understanding of.

Their whole hypothesis goes on the theory that this planet has all of the necessary things in it to create a big bang.

I understand how they came up with that but believe it is naive to say the least.

Naivity and messing about with creation do not go hand in hand.

One thing that is for certain though is that all Humans make mistakes.

Not a good start I would say.

It will be a quick finish though

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Wed 02/20/13 03:08 AM

How have they calculated it will come at the speed of light?
what if it goes faster?
does that not mean it could go back in time?
If so, we might have been wiped out yesterday, but just haven't realised it
............and Government probably won't tell us either!




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Wed 02/20/13 03:14 AM
Sorry theres a missing text in my answer. "i will only believe if they study the sun in a close proximity"

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Wed 02/20/13 03:22 AM
nice cartoon, it made me laugh.

Its strange you brought that up because it takes me to a topic I was discussing with a friend yesterday.

I apologise now because I know its off topic but the discussion I had went as follows:-

My friend said that the Meteor would pass within 20000 miles of us and would miss us.

I argued that we may as well dedicate the whole day to having fun and seeing loved ones.

Because it was my contention that if a meteor was going to hit us and wipe us out, or near enough to that.

Then all governments would collaberate and invent a story that it would be close but miss us.

They would no doubt pick something like 20000 miles.

By the time we realised we had been duped it would be to late

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Wed 02/20/13 03:23 AM

I dont see it as a miracle.
I just believe it is a natural state of evolution.
Just like when a caterpiller turns into a butterfly.

Who is to say the caterpiller ( if it had self awareness), wouldnt think of the crysallis as death.

We know it turns into a butterfly and therefore its not much of a leap of faith to think we do the same.

The last point you made, I dont believe is a fact.

I dont believe we become all knowing after death.

I do believe that the knowledge is accessible though and that your previous body (life) experiences enable you to ask the right questions.

When you die you leave your body on earth. When you die there is nothing left to you. Your knowledge is not exempted because our brain is part of the body. Natural state of evolution applies only to all living things. But as i said the universe consist of finite, infinite,living and non living things.

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Wed 02/20/13 03:25 AM

Sorry theres a missing text in my answer. "i will only believe if they study the sun in a close proximity"


You could have a point there, but do you think that would be enough?

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Wed 02/20/13 03:29 AM


How have they calculated it will come at the speed of light?
what if it goes faster?
does that not mean it could go back in time?
If so, we might have been wiped out yesterday, but just haven't realised it
............and Government probably won't tell us either!





Would you play the nice citizen to tell us? Lol