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Going back to the subject, i still stand by this: Here is a very basic legal principle: "Your rights end where the rights of the other began". Their right to have their own prom ends when the right to not be discriminated or segregated of others begins. your right, it's discrimination no matter how you look at it... but why would the gays want to be around a bunch of haters? they could each have their owns proms, without discriminating each other in the process... i wouldn't want to go to a gay prom, so why would they want to go to a straight prom? |
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Going back to the subject, i still stand by this: Here is a very basic legal principle: "Your rights end where the rights of the other began". Their right to have their own prom ends when the right to not be discriminated or segregated of others begins. your right, it's discrimination no matter how you look at it... but why would the gays want to be around a bunch of haters? they could each have their owns proms, without discriminating each other in the process... i wouldn't want to go to a gay prom, so why would they want to go to a straight prom? Well I am not gay so I can not reply from a personal point of view, but if i had to theorize i would say that its because they are not discriminating people themselves. In a generalizing approach i would say that Its ok to gather with similar people in certain circumstances...it simply is more practical but its not a principal to live by. As a society we should always aim to include others into our ranks. Specially in general interest events such as a prom. Diversity helps us to understand each other better, gives us a wider view of the world thus makes us better as individuals and as a group. Also, there is the pride issue, which is completely understandable. All humans want to be recognizes as equals regardless of accidental characteristics such as gender, sex orientation, or physical appearance. |
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Going back to the subject, i still stand by this: Here is a very basic legal principle: "Your rights end where the rights of the other began". Their right to have their own prom ends when the right to not be discriminated or segregated of others begins. your right, it's discrimination no matter how you look at it... but why would the gays want to be around a bunch of haters? they could each have their owns proms, without discriminating each other in the process... i wouldn't want to go to a gay prom, so why would they want to go to a straight prom? Well I am not gay so I can not reply from a personal point of view, but if i had to theorize i would say that its because they are not discriminating people themselves. In a generalizing approach i would say that Its ok to gather with similar people in certain circumstances...it simply is more practical but its not a principal to live by. As a society we should always aim to include others into our ranks. Specially in general interest events such as a prom. Diversity helps us to understand each other better, gives us a wider view of the world thus makes us better as individuals and as a group. Also, there is the pride issue, which is completely understandable. All humans want to be recognizes as equals regardless of accidental characteristics such as gender, sex orientation, or physical appearance. society tells us that we have to accept, whether we want to or not. I personally don't agree with gays, but the government says i have to. and we are not all equal. our status, income, jobs are all not equal. most gays don't want equality, they want more. i should have the right to walk down the street and not see one guy leading another guy with leash connected to a a dog collar and nipple rings... |
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Going back to the subject, i still stand by this: Here is a very basic legal principle: "Your rights end where the rights of the other began". Their right to have their own prom ends when the right to not be discriminated or segregated of others begins. your right, it's discrimination no matter how you look at it... but why would the gays want to be around a bunch of haters? they could each have their owns proms, without discriminating each other in the process... i wouldn't want to go to a gay prom, so why would they want to go to a straight prom? Well I am not gay so I can not reply from a personal point of view, but if i had to theorize i would say that its because they are not discriminating people themselves. In a generalizing approach i would say that Its ok to gather with similar people in certain circumstances...it simply is more practical but its not a principal to live by. As a society we should always aim to include others into our ranks. Specially in general interest events such as a prom. Diversity helps us to understand each other better, gives us a wider view of the world thus makes us better as individuals and as a group. Also, there is the pride issue, which is completely understandable. All humans want to be recognizes as equals regardless of accidental characteristics such as gender, sex orientation, or physical appearance. society tells us that we have to accept, whether we want to or not. I personally don't agree with gays, but the government says i have to. and we are not all equal. our status, income, jobs are all not equal. most gays don't want equality, they want more. i should have the right to walk down the street and not see one guy leading another guy with leash connected to a a dog collar and nipple rings... First mistake: "society" its not an alien thing... society is the group of individuals forming it and its inter dynamic interactions. Same with the government. Second mistake: Yes, we are all equal...we are equal in our quality of "humans" thus we all deserve the same treatment and rights. Things like status, income and jobs are related to effort, luck, education and a lot of other things that are not intrinsically related to your human nature. So as you can see, are irrelevant to this conversation. Third mistake: what you described has nothing to do with gay... that is sadomasochism and domination... it happens on straight relationships as well. And if you dont want to see it, all you have to do is watch the other way, close your window, change the street, etc. I could say that I dont like to see woman using short skirts or men using purple shirts...does that mean that they should not to do it just because i dont want to see it? I think not. Again, the general principal puts in a simple way...Your right to not see things that you don't find pleasing ends when their right to dress up the way they want and to have what ever type of adult interaction they want (as long is between consenting adults on full use of reason) starts. |
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Let the protesters have their own prom on their own dime. Let the school go all out for this year's prom. Review this teacher, as she will clearly have out for certain students. Hey which prom do you think will result in more unwanted pregnancies? I'd make that teacher adopt them.
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Diana Medley is a special education teacher in town. She doesn't believe anyone is born gay. "I believe that it was life circumstances and they chose to be that way; God created everyone equal," said Medley. and she's a freaking teacher ??? i don't believe they are born gay either, but has nothing to do with a god... to me, it's ridiculous to think they are born that way... |
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Going back to the subject, i still stand by this: Here is a very basic legal principle: "Your rights end where the rights of the other began". Their right to have their own prom ends when the right to not be discriminated or segregated of others begins. your right, it's discrimination no matter how you look at it... but why would the gays want to be around a bunch of haters? they could each have their owns proms, without discriminating each other in the process... i wouldn't want to go to a gay prom, so why would they want to go to a straight prom? Well I am not gay so I can not reply from a personal point of view, but if i had to theorize i would say that its because they are not discriminating people themselves. In a generalizing approach i would say that Its ok to gather with similar people in certain circumstances...it simply is more practical but its not a principal to live by. As a society we should always aim to include others into our ranks. Specially in general interest events such as a prom. Diversity helps us to understand each other better, gives us a wider view of the world thus makes us better as individuals and as a group. Also, there is the pride issue, which is completely understandable. All humans want to be recognizes as equals regardless of accidental characteristics such as gender, sex orientation, or physical appearance. society tells us that we have to accept, whether we want to or not. I personally don't agree with gays, but the government says i have to. and we are not all equal. our status, income, jobs are all not equal. most gays don't want equality, they want more. i should have the right to walk down the street and not see one guy leading another guy with leash connected to a a dog collar and nipple rings... First mistake: "society" its not an alien thing... society is the group of individuals forming it and its inter dynamic interactions. Same with the government. Second mistake: Yes, we are all equal...we are equal in our quality of "humans" thus we all deserve the same treatment and rights. Things like status, income and jobs are related to effort, luck, education and a lot of other things that are not intrinsically related to your human nature. So as you can see, are irrelevant to this conversation. Third mistake: what you described has nothing to do with gay... that is sadomasochism and domination... it happens on straight relationships as well. And if you dont want to see it, all you have to do is watch the other way, close your window, change the street, etc. I could say that I dont like to see woman using short skirts or men using purple shirts...does that mean that they should not to do it just because i dont want to see it? I think not. Again, the general principal puts in a simple way...Your right to not see things that you don't find pleasing ends when their right to dress up the way they want and to have what ever type of adult interaction they want (as long is between consenting adults on full use of reason) starts. sorry, i see no mistakes that i typed. starters, it doesn't offend me as to whatever a man and a woman do, it offends me when i see men promoting being gay in public. society tells me i'm wrong, just like your doing now. the only thing that makes us "equal" is the government, and they don't do a very good jab at that either. if we were all "equal", there would be no competition for anything, because nobody would win or lose. "equlity" is a verdict decreed by the government to appease the masses... |
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Going back to the subject, i still stand by this: Here is a very basic legal principle: "Your rights end where the rights of the other began". Their right to have their own prom ends when the right to not be discriminated or segregated of others begins. your right, it's discrimination no matter how you look at it... but why would the gays want to be around a bunch of haters? they could each have their owns proms, without discriminating each other in the process... i wouldn't want to go to a gay prom, so why would they want to go to a straight prom? Well I am not gay so I can not reply from a personal point of view, but if i had to theorize i would say that its because they are not discriminating people themselves. In a generalizing approach i would say that Its ok to gather with similar people in certain circumstances...it simply is more practical but its not a principal to live by. As a society we should always aim to include others into our ranks. Specially in general interest events such as a prom. Diversity helps us to understand each other better, gives us a wider view of the world thus makes us better as individuals and as a group. Also, there is the pride issue, which is completely understandable. All humans want to be recognizes as equals regardless of accidental characteristics such as gender, sex orientation, or physical appearance. society tells us that we have to accept, whether we want to or not. I personally don't agree with gays, but the government says i have to. and we are not all equal. our status, income, jobs are all not equal. most gays don't want equality, they want more. i should have the right to walk down the street and not see one guy leading another guy with leash connected to a a dog collar and nipple rings... First mistake: "society" its not an alien thing... society is the group of individuals forming it and its inter dynamic interactions. Same with the government. Second mistake: Yes, we are all equal...we are equal in our quality of "humans" thus we all deserve the same treatment and rights. Things like status, income and jobs are related to effort, luck, education and a lot of other things that are not intrinsically related to your human nature. So as you can see, are irrelevant to this conversation. Third mistake: what you described has nothing to do with gay... that is sadomasochism and domination... it happens on straight relationships as well. And if you dont want to see it, all you have to do is watch the other way, close your window, change the street, etc. I could say that I dont like to see woman using short skirts or men using purple shirts...does that mean that they should not to do it just because i dont want to see it? I think not. Again, the general principal puts in a simple way...Your right to not see things that you don't find pleasing ends when their right to dress up the way they want and to have what ever type of adult interaction they want (as long is between consenting adults on full use of reason) starts. sorry, i see no mistakes that i typed. starters, it doesn't offend me as to whatever a man and a woman do, it offends me when i see men promoting being gay in public. society tells me i'm wrong, just like your doing now. the only thing that makes us "equal" is the government, and they don't do a very good jab at that either. if we were all "equal", there would be no competition for anything, because nobody would win or lose. "equlity" is a verdict decreed by the government to appease the masses... Ok this is last reply to this topic. "sorry, i see no mistakes that i typed. starters, it doesn't offend me as to whatever a man and a woman do, it offends me when i see men promoting being gay in public. society tells me i'm wrong, just like your doing now. " You are clearly homophobic, and you really need to work on it. And yes, you are wrong... i could stay here and explain to you the 10000 billion reason of why, but i think that is the type of thing you have to figure by your self. "the only thing that makes us "equal" is the government, and they don't do a very good jab at that either. if we were all "equal", there would be no competition for anything, because nobody would win or lose. "equality" is a verdict decreed by the government to appease the masses..." You are clearly not reading what I am saying, it seems obvious that you have your own opinion and you are not interested in learning something new, you just want to express your view to others... you are not really even having a chat, you are just making a monologue. If its worth something, i point what i pointed previously, you are confusing equality in nature (human nature) with merit. All lions are lions, because they are equals in their nature... that does not mean that all of them will have the same performance and same fate... again, equality of nature does not means equality of performance or merit. |
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Going back to the subject, i still stand by this: Here is a very basic legal principle: "Your rights end where the rights of the other began". Their right to have their own prom ends when the right to not be discriminated or segregated of others begins. your right, it's discrimination no matter how you look at it... but why would the gays want to be around a bunch of haters? they could each have their owns proms, without discriminating each other in the process... i wouldn't want to go to a gay prom, so why would they want to go to a straight prom? Well I am not gay so I can not reply from a personal point of view, but if i had to theorize i would say that its because they are not discriminating people themselves. In a generalizing approach i would say that Its ok to gather with similar people in certain circumstances...it simply is more practical but its not a principal to live by. As a society we should always aim to include others into our ranks. Specially in general interest events such as a prom. Diversity helps us to understand each other better, gives us a wider view of the world thus makes us better as individuals and as a group. Also, there is the pride issue, which is completely understandable. All humans want to be recognizes as equals regardless of accidental characteristics such as gender, sex orientation, or physical appearance. society tells us that we have to accept, whether we want to or not. I personally don't agree with gays, but the government says i have to. and we are not all equal. our status, income, jobs are all not equal. most gays don't want equality, they want more. i should have the right to walk down the street and not see one guy leading another guy with leash connected to a a dog collar and nipple rings... First mistake: "society" its not an alien thing... society is the group of individuals forming it and its inter dynamic interactions. Same with the government. Second mistake: Yes, we are all equal...we are equal in our quality of "humans" thus we all deserve the same treatment and rights. Things like status, income and jobs are related to effort, luck, education and a lot of other things that are not intrinsically related to your human nature. So as you can see, are irrelevant to this conversation. Third mistake: what you described has nothing to do with gay... that is sadomasochism and domination... it happens on straight relationships as well. And if you dont want to see it, all you have to do is watch the other way, close your window, change the street, etc. I could say that I dont like to see woman using short skirts or men using purple shirts...does that mean that they should not to do it just because i dont want to see it? I think not. Again, the general principal puts in a simple way...Your right to not see things that you don't find pleasing ends when their right to dress up the way they want and to have what ever type of adult interaction they want (as long is between consenting adults on full use of reason) starts. sorry, i see no mistakes that i typed. starters, it doesn't offend me as to whatever a man and a woman do, it offends me when i see men promoting being gay in public. society tells me i'm wrong, just like your doing now. the only thing that makes us "equal" is the government, and they don't do a very good jab at that either. if we were all "equal", there would be no competition for anything, because nobody would win or lose. "equlity" is a verdict decreed by the government to appease the masses... Ok this is last reply to this topic. "sorry, i see no mistakes that i typed. starters, it doesn't offend me as to whatever a man and a woman do, it offends me when i see men promoting being gay in public. society tells me i'm wrong, just like your doing now. " You are clearly homophobic, and you really need to work on it. And yes, you are wrong... i could stay here and explain to you the 10000 billion reason of why, but i think that is the type of thing you have to figure by your self. "the only thing that makes us "equal" is the government, and they don't do a very good jab at that either. if we were all "equal", there would be no competition for anything, because nobody would win or lose. "equality" is a verdict decreed by the government to appease the masses..." You are clearly not reading what I am saying, it seems obvious that you have your own opinion and you are not interested in learning something new, you just want to express your view to others... you are not really even having a chat, you are just making a monologue. If its worth something, i point what i pointed previously, you are confusing equality in nature (human nature) with merit. All lions are lions, because they are equals in their nature... that does not mean that all of them will have the same performance and same fate... again, equality of nature does not means equality of performance or merit. i'm glad this is your last post, because your starting to sound like every other liberal out there... maybe the tanks should start napalming the libs, that would be the best for the country... |
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Going back to the subject, i still stand by this: Here is a very basic legal principle: "Your rights end where the rights of the other began". Their right to have their own prom ends when the right to not be discriminated or segregated of others begins. your right, it's discrimination no matter how you look at it... but why would the gays want to be around a bunch of haters? they could each have their owns proms, without discriminating each other in the process... i wouldn't want to go to a gay prom, so why would they want to go to a straight prom? Part of prom was having a good time with friends. So, I would think gay or straight, they'd want to be where their friends are. |
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Funny enough i do not consider my self a liberal, nor a conservative. I like to think of my self a smart person that does not buy pretty illusions from any bullsh*t movement. I see something, i inform my self and i generate my own opinion.
There is no such thing as bad knowledge, only ignorant people scare of progress. And you my friend, are sounding pretty ignorant right now. As a final note, funny enough...without those libraries there would be no tanks or napalm or internet or light in your house. Yeah, lets burn the libraries...lets see how long does it take us to become a country like Afghanistan or Congo or Somalia. |
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Going back to the subject, i still stand by this: Here is a very basic legal principle: "Your rights end where the rights of the other began". Their right to have their own prom ends when the right to not be discriminated or segregated of others begins. your right, it's discrimination no matter how you look at it... but why would the gays want to be around a bunch of haters? they could each have their owns proms, without discriminating each other in the process... i wouldn't want to go to a gay prom, so why would they want to go to a straight prom? Well I am not gay so I can not reply from a personal point of view, but if i had to theorize i would say that its because they are not discriminating people themselves. In a generalizing approach i would say that Its ok to gather with similar people in certain circumstances...it simply is more practical but its not a principal to live by. As a society we should always aim to include others into our ranks. Specially in general interest events such as a prom. Diversity helps us to understand each other better, gives us a wider view of the world thus makes us better as individuals and as a group. Also, there is the pride issue, which is completely understandable. All humans want to be recognizes as equals regardless of accidental characteristics such as gender, sex orientation, or physical appearance. society tells us that we have to accept, whether we want to or not. I personally don't agree with gays, but the government says i have to. and we are not all equal. our status, income, jobs are all not equal. most gays don't want equality, they want more. i should have the right to walk down the street and not see one guy leading another guy with leash connected to a a dog collar and nipple rings... The government doesn't say you have to agree with gays. However, if you don't want to see something, don't look. Turn the other way. That goes for all of us. You may not like gay people, but you can't stop them from walking down the same street as you. |
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Going back to the subject, i still stand by this: Here is a very basic legal principle: "Your rights end where the rights of the other began". Their right to have their own prom ends when the right to not be discriminated or segregated of others begins. your right, it's discrimination no matter how you look at it... but why would the gays want to be around a bunch of haters? they could each have their owns proms, without discriminating each other in the process... i wouldn't want to go to a gay prom, so why would they want to go to a straight prom? Well I am not gay so I can not reply from a personal point of view, but if i had to theorize i would say that its because they are not discriminating people themselves. In a generalizing approach i would say that Its ok to gather with similar people in certain circumstances...it simply is more practical but its not a principal to live by. As a society we should always aim to include others into our ranks. Specially in general interest events such as a prom. Diversity helps us to understand each other better, gives us a wider view of the world thus makes us better as individuals and as a group. Also, there is the pride issue, which is completely understandable. All humans want to be recognizes as equals regardless of accidental characteristics such as gender, sex orientation, or physical appearance. society tells us that we have to accept, whether we want to or not. I personally don't agree with gays, but the government says i have to. and we are not all equal. our status, income, jobs are all not equal. most gays don't want equality, they want more. i should have the right to walk down the street and not see one guy leading another guy with leash connected to a a dog collar and nipple rings... The government doesn't say you have to agree with gays. However, if you don't want to see something, don't look. Turn the other way. That goes for all of us. You may not like gay people, but you can't stop them from walking down the same street as you. yea, look the other way... thats fine and dandy, but you cannot unsee something once you've seen it... |
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Going back to the subject, i still stand by this: Here is a very basic legal principle: "Your rights end where the rights of the other began". Their right to have their own prom ends when the right to not be discriminated or segregated of others begins. your right, it's discrimination no matter how you look at it... but why would the gays want to be around a bunch of haters? they could each have their owns proms, without discriminating each other in the process... i wouldn't want to go to a gay prom, so why would they want to go to a straight prom? Well I am not gay so I can not reply from a personal point of view, but if i had to theorize i would say that its because they are not discriminating people themselves. In a generalizing approach i would say that Its ok to gather with similar people in certain circumstances...it simply is more practical but its not a principal to live by. As a society we should always aim to include others into our ranks. Specially in general interest events such as a prom. Diversity helps us to understand each other better, gives us a wider view of the world thus makes us better as individuals and as a group. Also, there is the pride issue, which is completely understandable. All humans want to be recognizes as equals regardless of accidental characteristics such as gender, sex orientation, or physical appearance. society tells us that we have to accept, whether we want to or not. I personally don't agree with gays, but the government says i have to. and we are not all equal. our status, income, jobs are all not equal. most gays don't want equality, they want more. i should have the right to walk down the street and not see one guy leading another guy with leash connected to a a dog collar and nipple rings... The government doesn't say you have to agree with gays. However, if you don't want to see something, don't look. Turn the other way. That goes for all of us. You may not like gay people, but you can't stop them from walking down the same street as you. i never said i didn't like gay people, i always said i don't agree with it... there is a difference, ya know... |
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Going back to the subject, i still stand by this: Here is a very basic legal principle: "Your rights end where the rights of the other began". Their right to have their own prom ends when the right to not be discriminated or segregated of others begins. your right, it's discrimination no matter how you look at it... but why would the gays want to be around a bunch of haters? they could each have their owns proms, without discriminating each other in the process... i wouldn't want to go to a gay prom, so why would they want to go to a straight prom? Well I am not gay so I can not reply from a personal point of view, but if i had to theorize i would say that its because they are not discriminating people themselves. In a generalizing approach i would say that Its ok to gather with similar people in certain circumstances...it simply is more practical but its not a principal to live by. As a society we should always aim to include others into our ranks. Specially in general interest events such as a prom. Diversity helps us to understand each other better, gives us a wider view of the world thus makes us better as individuals and as a group. Also, there is the pride issue, which is completely understandable. All humans want to be recognizes as equals regardless of accidental characteristics such as gender, sex orientation, or physical appearance. society tells us that we have to accept, whether we want to or not. I personally don't agree with gays, but the government says i have to. and we are not all equal. our status, income, jobs are all not equal. most gays don't want equality, they want more. i should have the right to walk down the street and not see one guy leading another guy with leash connected to a a dog collar and nipple rings... The government doesn't say you have to agree with gays. However, if you don't want to see something, don't look. Turn the other way. That goes for all of us. You may not like gay people, but you can't stop them from walking down the same street as you. i never said i didn't like gay people, i always said i don't agree with it... there is a difference, ya know... Yet you don't want to see them, be near them, have them walk down the street with you... and so on. Right, you like them. |
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Going back to the subject, i still stand by this: Here is a very basic legal principle: "Your rights end where the rights of the other began". Their right to have their own prom ends when the right to not be discriminated or segregated of others begins. your right, it's discrimination no matter how you look at it... but why would the gays want to be around a bunch of haters? they could each have their owns proms, without discriminating each other in the process... i wouldn't want to go to a gay prom, so why would they want to go to a straight prom? Well I am not gay so I can not reply from a personal point of view, but if i had to theorize i would say that its because they are not discriminating people themselves. In a generalizing approach i would say that Its ok to gather with similar people in certain circumstances...it simply is more practical but its not a principal to live by. As a society we should always aim to include others into our ranks. Specially in general interest events such as a prom. Diversity helps us to understand each other better, gives us a wider view of the world thus makes us better as individuals and as a group. Also, there is the pride issue, which is completely understandable. All humans want to be recognizes as equals regardless of accidental characteristics such as gender, sex orientation, or physical appearance. society tells us that we have to accept, whether we want to or not. I personally don't agree with gays, but the government says i have to. and we are not all equal. our status, income, jobs are all not equal. most gays don't want equality, they want more. i should have the right to walk down the street and not see one guy leading another guy with leash connected to a a dog collar and nipple rings... The government doesn't say you have to agree with gays. However, if you don't want to see something, don't look. Turn the other way. That goes for all of us. You may not like gay people, but you can't stop them from walking down the same street as you. i never said i didn't like gay people, i always said i don't agree with it... there is a difference, ya know... Yet you don't want to see them, be near them, have them walk down the street with you... and so on. Right, you like them. no, i said "i never said i didn't like them... i never said i liked them either... they are faceless people on the street to me, mainly indifferent about it till i see something that doesn't set right with me...thats the only time i notice or care... |
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The students who want a "traditional" prom simply don't want to be forced to witness behavior that they consider to be immoral, such as homosexual behavior. That behavior is chosen even if the emotions behind it aren't.
What should be done in this case depends on whether the prom is a public school event or a completely private event. If it were an official school event, and if the school were a public school in the USA, then the prom would have to be open to all students regardless of their sexual orientation. However, the First Amendment guarantees the students the right of peaceful assembly, meaning that they could participate in a completely private prom in which homosexual behavior is banned. The students could also participate in a completely private prom in which homosexual behavior is permitted. |
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Diana Medley is a special education teacher in town. She doesn't believe anyone is born gay. "I believe that it was life circumstances and they chose to be that way; God created everyone equal," said Medley. and she's a freaking teacher ??? i don't believe they are born gay either, but has nothing to do with a god... to me, it's ridiculous to think they are born that way... You may think its ridiculous, but its a fact that *some* people are born gay. Maybe not all gays, but at least some gays. Part of prom was having a good time with friends. So, I would think gay or straight, they'd want to be where their friends are.
I agree. Only some of the crowd are haters. They want to go to their high school prom. It is NOT a hetero prom, and we should not tolerate such things is a 'hetero prom' in our public school systems. Its the high school prom. Everyone at the high school should feel comfortable, safe, and welcome to go to their prom. |
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there is no fact that any are born gay... just a myth
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The responsibilty usually lies on the offended to not be offended and adapt their contradictory beliefs in light of what is known, not on the offender to alter or ignore facts just to appease the ignorant.
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