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Topic: What was the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah?
TBRich's photo
Fri 02/01/13 03:29 AM




My old theology professor explained the sin was the violation of the law of hospitality,


Exactly, just like it says in Ezekiel.

So the question then becomes, for those who want to answer...

If a homosexual couple gets married and the marriage bed cannot be defiled, is it still a sin?



I don't understand how loving someone can be a sin


feeling love is not sinful

having sex can be


As I have often said, if there is a question about the Old Testament, there are Jews who live among you, who would be happy to take the time to explain it. The halakhic term "ahnoos" refers to someone who, though commanded to do something, does not really have a choice in the matter. In Judaism, one is only responsible for religious obligations that one can freely choose to fulfill. Thus since homosexuality is not chosen, its expression cannot be forbidden.

TBRich's photo
Fri 02/01/13 04:16 AM
To use the Old Testament to condemn the life of another or limit their rights is a misuse of the Tanakh. The Mitzvot is specifically for the Righteous Jew and not others. Xians are clearly taught to follow the code of Noah (see the debate between Paul and James). Ezekiel clearly states what the sin of Sodom is; to cherry-pick verses to support your own prejudices, fears and hatred violates the second commandment as given by Jesus- to love thy neighbor as yourself.

“‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy." Turning this verse into the hatred of homosexuals shows the agenda of the fear- and hatemongers and leads to such things as the attempts to pass the law in Uganda which would hold a death penalty for being homosexual. What type of mind can take a story with the moral of helping the poor and needy into one in which the moral is to kill homosexuals? Ask yourself- is it the Jewish mind? Is it the Xian mind? Or is it something else?

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Fri 02/01/13 05:25 AM

It is written...

"For they being ignorant of God's righteousness,
and going about to establish their own righteousness,
have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God."
Romans 10:3

TBRich's photo
Fri 02/01/13 07:22 AM
“And he (Avraham Avinu) believed in Hashem and He counted it to him for righteousness.”

Bereshis 15:6

Only HaShem knows what is in the hearts of men and what is righteous in His sight

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Fri 02/01/13 11:40 AM
Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

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Tue 02/26/13 01:17 PM
I am in total agreement with your thoughts and words on this post. What people today don't understand is that the Bible's council is good till 4ever. No amount of time will displace it's council and though some today would like everyone to believe that it's outdated they are mistaken, and yes they will know this soon first hand. The Hebrew scriptures identify and relate with the Greek scriptures to form a composite of the signs of the end of this system of things. All that we are seeing happening in our society are prophecies that have to be fulfill in order to open the eyes of the hearts of many. Sodom and Gommorra are the greatest example of how our FATHER tried to not distribute His decision upon them but they did not listen..not even to the angels whom they knew very well were angels and still wanted to feast upon them. So today as well, many warnings are being delivered and some are heeding these but majority aren't sadly and unfortunately.

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Tue 02/26/13 09:10 PM

I am in total agreement with your thoughts and words on this post. What people today don't understand is that the Bible's council is good till 4ever. No amount of time will displace it's council and though some today would like everyone to believe that it's outdated they are mistaken, and yes they will know this soon first hand. The Hebrew scriptures identify and relate with the Greek scriptures to form a composite of the signs of the end of this system of things. All that we are seeing happening in our society are prophecies that have to be fulfill in order to open the eyes of the hearts of many. Sodom and Gommorra are the greatest example of how our FATHER tried to not distribute His decision upon them but they did not listen..not even to the angels whom they knew very well were angels and still wanted to feast upon them. So today as well, many warnings are being delivered and some are heeding these but majority aren't sadly and unfortunately.



Spirit-filled words!!!

Welcome to Mingle2 Christian Singles Forum, 2mks1!


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Wed 02/27/13 09:10 AM
Edited by Toodygirl5 on Wed 02/27/13 09:17 AM

What was the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah?


It was immorality.
People didn't follow God's law.


Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable

Leviticus 18:22 niv

Leviticus
Chapter 18- Unlawful Sexual Relations

The Lord said to Moses, "Speak to the Israelites and say to them:" I am the Lord your God. You must not do as they do in Egypt, where you used to live and you must not do as they do in the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you. Do not follow their practices. I am the Lord your God. Keep my decrees and laws, for the man who obeys them will live by them, I am the Lord. Leviticus 18:1-5

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Tue 03/05/13 01:48 PM
God made two sexes for a reason

Mark 10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.

It is unnatural to have sexual relations with the same sex...

Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

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Sat 03/09/13 07:42 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 03/09/13 07:43 AM





My old theology professor explained the sin was the violation of the law of hospitality,


Exactly, just like it says in Ezekiel.

So the question then becomes, for those who want to answer...

If a homosexual couple gets married and the marriage bed cannot be defiled, is it still a sin?



I don't understand how loving someone can be a sin


feeling love is not sinful

having sex can be


As I have often said, if there is a question about the Old Testament, there are Jews who live among you, who would be happy to take the time to explain it. The halakhic term "ahnoos" refers to someone who, though commanded to do something, does not really have a choice in the matter. In Judaism, one is only responsible for religious obligations that one can freely choose to fulfill. Thus since homosexuality is not chosen, its expression cannot be forbidden.


do you truly believe anyone doesnt have a 'choice' to have sex or who to have sex with? thats interesting

can we excuse adulterers and pedophiles on that basis then?

Toodygirl5's photo
Sun 03/10/13 12:32 PM


It is written...

"For they being ignorant of God's righteousness,
and going about to establish their own righteousness,
have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God."
Romans 10:3




AMEN!!!

TBRich's photo
Tue 03/12/13 07:54 AM






My old theology professor explained the sin was the violation of the law of hospitality,


Exactly, just like it says in Ezekiel.

So the question then becomes, for those who want to answer...

If a homosexual couple gets married and the marriage bed cannot be defiled, is it still a sin?



I don't understand how loving someone can be a sin


feeling love is not sinful

having sex can be


As I have often said, if there is a question about the Old Testament, there are Jews who live among you, who would be happy to take the time to explain it. The halakhic term "ahnoos" refers to someone who, though commanded to do something, does not really have a choice in the matter. In Judaism, one is only responsible for religious obligations that one can freely choose to fulfill. Thus since homosexuality is not chosen, its expression cannot be forbidden.


do you truly believe anyone doesnt have a 'choice' to have sex or who to have sex with? thats interesting

can we excuse adulterers and pedophiles on that basis then?


Seriously, that is how you read this? I can explain it for you, but I can not understand it it for you. The Righteous Jew is not concerned with a cowardly quest for eternal life, he is concerned with being righteous in the eyes of his G_d. Therefore, he has "dos and don'ts", mainly based on what is considered clean and unclean. Going back to the Noahide code, sexual immorally can be defined, among this is a clean and unclean consideration, for example, you know it is wrong for a man to be with a woman during her period (and I know some women where I can not think anytime would be right). Also, the anus is always considered unclean (and I think you know exactly what I mean) and if to know a man like a woman refers to penetration, you also know what that means. Considering there are 5 basic methods of making love then there are four basic methods for a homosexual to physically express his love that would be considered clean.

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Tue 03/12/13 09:42 AM







My old theology professor explained the sin was the violation of the law of hospitality,


Exactly, just like it says in Ezekiel.

So the question then becomes, for those who want to answer...

If a homosexual couple gets married and the marriage bed cannot be defiled, is it still a sin?



I don't understand how loving someone can be a sin


feeling love is not sinful

having sex can be


As I have often said, if there is a question about the Old Testament, there are Jews who live among you, who would be happy to take the time to explain it. The halakhic term "ahnoos" refers to someone who, though commanded to do something, does not really have a choice in the matter. In Judaism, one is only responsible for religious obligations that one can freely choose to fulfill. Thus since homosexuality is not chosen, its expression cannot be forbidden.


do you truly believe anyone doesnt have a 'choice' to have sex or who to have sex with? thats interesting

can we excuse adulterers and pedophiles on that basis then?


Seriously, that is how you read this? I can explain it for you, but I can not understand it it for you. The Righteous Jew is not concerned with a cowardly quest for eternal life, he is concerned with being righteous in the eyes of his G_d. Therefore, he has "dos and don'ts", mainly based on what is considered clean and unclean. Going back to the Noahide code, sexual immorally can be defined, among this is a clean and unclean consideration, for example, you know it is wrong for a man to be with a woman during her period (and I know some women where I can not think anytime would be right). Also, the anus is always considered unclean (and I think you know exactly what I mean) and if to know a man like a woman refers to penetration, you also know what that means. Considering there are 5 basic methods of making love then there are four basic methods for a homosexual to physically express his love that would be considered clean.


Man can never achieve righteousness outside of God's provision.

"How much more abominable and filthy is man,
which drinketh iniquity like water?"
Job_15:16,


Man was meant to live eternally.
Death came through sin; a defining moment.

Eternal life comes through Jesus Christ.

"But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst;
but the water that I shall give him
shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life." Joh_4:14,



"And he said unto me, It is done.
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end.
I will give unto him that is athirst
of the fountain of the water of life freely."
Rev_21:6,




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