the goal of the NRA is to sell guns and ammo, they don't care who buys it...they use the 2nd amendment and paranoid people to do so, everything they sell is obsolete and worthless against the government if not your neighbor ...technology has already evolved beyond Man being capable of stopping it

Yup.

Violent folk, modern day guns, and irrational minds is a scary combination.

Just like our founding fathers, I'm all for the right to bear muzzle loaders.

That is why knowledge makes them scared. It is the IMPROVISED munitions that can become a real headache. Lets face it, if helos are flying among buildings they are EASY prey if you get to the roof tops. Shoot at them with GUNS? Waste of time. Toss chains into their rotor heads, and I know I probably will have some bullet head who commands helicopter operations going, "CRAP, THEY KNOW A VULNERABILITY," if he reads this. But I just seen a full blown Cobra II flying overhead following a freeway fully loaded. There was only one but it was heading to a dog and pony show at a Marine Base near El Monte. JUST ONE OF THESE WOULD REIGN UNTOLD HAVOC ON US! I have gotten an opportunity to climb on a M-1 Abrams. Just one of those would likewise reign havoc on us. But it is easier to take out the Abrams if you know its weakness, its treads. That and FIRE is any tanks weakness. The engine has to breath to run. It don't run on fire. Just the man held firepower the military has is far in excess of what we are "allowed" to have and all of these weapons are costly but very effective.

But now for the idea of a soldier willingly shooting into civilians? it has happened before. And ever time it has public outcry becomes violent to a degree even the military cannot suppress, armed or unarmed mob not withstanding. The near end of the Vietnam war is one example. Shortly after the Kent State massacre public outcry became the simmering of a violent revolt. The protests that followed in Washington DC were in excess of the participation of the vaunted Million Man March of the 1980s.

I said it before and I will say it again, the Occupy Wall Street Movement was stupid. Wrong place. Wrong people to complain to! There are ways of taking their advantage away but it is not about doing that by violence or force! It is about people waking the hell up and getting these lying cretin politicians out of office. It is about getting the MIC back on track with the nation, not who gives them kickbacks!

NWO would not be a bad thing if they had a bill of rights and a constitution and a set of standards to adhere to. They don't. But if we could pull an Iceland on the Bankers we do indeed have a chance. But the fraud is so deep we would have to hunt them down with military force if need be and scrape them out from behind anyone they hide behind to punish this evil snake.

Unite, Clean House, Hunt down the Criminals and MAKE THEM PAY FOR WHAT THEY DID TO US! That is what we need to do. Fight the war on the real terrorists. But first step we need to stop doing business with banks!

willing is saying that The President's actions in the course of war is comparable to children sitting in school or Congresswomen visiting their districts. An American keeping a rifle may be a "right" inserted into the Constitution to placate the Southern Congressional Reps but having a mass mag and say you're rights are being infringed upon is impractically shortsighted.

Say that from the backside of a gun shooting for your life three times fast...

Again the legal slippery slope. The real problem is not the gun, it is the person behind the gun!

the person behind the gun or behind the knife or behind the baseball bat, the goal is to lessen the violence intentionally prepetrated within society ..and this can be done by making guns and the 2nd amendment ground Zero for this battle and by making it a mental health issue which is no different than The Patriot Act

mental health would even encompass freedom of speech, those that go around speaking violence clearly have mental issues and shouldn't have a gun

it will also make citizens responsible to the point that they can be sued ....if you know that someone is violent or talked about shooting up a place and you do nothing about it or they get access to your guns and it results in someone's death...it may give cause for their relatives to sue you

But these things cannot be determined accurately with a sensationalist Yellow media spewing lies and twisting made up facts before the facts are presented let alone all the glory hogging politicians using ANYTHING to further their careers!

Worst is we give criminal rights here. The only right they should have is to not get beaten if they don't step out of line.

pretty vague and no point...sounds like something that hippies use to say during the Vietnam Era



why do people keep trying to use criminals as an excuse...don't the 2nd amendment apply to criminals too ...

isn't a wife beater a criminal.....isn't someone that cheat on their taxes a criminal....should they also be denied their 2nd amendment rights

I agree but the NRA did go all out for gun control in the sixties when black folks were having problems and wanted to carry, funny huh?

And they did not say that Trayvon should have had gun to protect himself from self proclaimed "guards" against black folks....hmmmm

If you are mentally well with a yearly check and no criminal record and do not buy a gun out of fear then you can have a single shot weapon in case you need to kill a rabbit someday for food.

But the 2nd amendment doesn't say you should have anything larger than a bebe gun so we can regulate what and who gets what...

The same as The Founding Fathers, drafting the Bill of Rights as they were denying Rights to others

Absolutely correct.

Undoing the ignorance of our constructors is a difficult job for sure

And repelling ignorance is a difficult job as well. myopia is not a good trait. What you call gun control is removing them utterly from all of us. Sell the BS somewhere else please!

that's what Obama is doing,... just like they Tobacco companies were held accountable for their product which resulted in billions of dollars being place into the Health care System...

it was deem that smokers were also killing others with their secondhand smoke or causing others health problems and the smokers just didn't care, so as usual the government had to step in and place restrictions or "smokers control laws" and enforced them which caused smokers to start crying about their "Right" to bear cigarettes...

no one was taking away their right to smoke, just that if they wanted to committ slow suicide by smoking to keep it a suicide and not a homocide by affecting others with their secondhand smoke


Obama is simply doing the same to the NRA when it comes to the Mental Health System

Welcome to the world of political lobbying! The one place where a minority voice can possibly whine enough to make changes forced on America by UNDUE process!

oh...so now the leader of the NRA is a minority ...

Lobby is as Lobby does! Sucks huh? Even I can see the BS for what it is. BTW, NOT a member or affiliate of the NRA.


BTW, I owe my life possibly to an old retired black lady who had a gun. There was a park I would go fishing at night considering it has a fishing pond in it. This lady was one of the regulars like myself and some of the local homeless who I would give Catfish to if I caught any. Some misunderstood black youths were forcibly seeking charitable contributions from people. I would have been alone five to one with a large knife in my hand defending myself from unjust taxation but thanks to her backed with the promise of a substantial lead overdose had them stepping and I did not have to get messy! I knew I was pooched until I heard that loud click from behind me and seen HUGE eyes. And where were the cops? Not anywhere to be seen until 1:30 AM.

So again for those of you who don't believe in concealed carry, PUSH OFF! YOU ARE TALKING OUT OF THE BACK OF YOUR HEAD! I have been saved more than once by someone who was NOT a police man packing a heater "illegally." Likewise I have been saved from an idiot with a high caliber rifle by others with guns disarming him while at a shooting range! Shooting the targets out of people's hands while they are setting them up is not cool at all. NORMALLY at an out door shooting range the rule is if someone yells "MAN DOWN RANGE" everybody puts their guns down and that means EVERYBODY ON THE RANGE PROPER. A shooter knows what I am talking about. There is always a stupid person in every crowd and they get people killed with CARS, BOATS, PLANES, TRAINS, LIONS, TIGERS, AND BEARS, OH MY! A real trick shooter would never put lead near a person unless they knew and consented to be the target holder. That is SOP. (Standard Operating Procedure)

But again 1 bullet, 9 bullets, 14 bullets, 20, 30 50, 100 bullets? It does not matter how many laws or restrictions you put on a gun. A responsible owner makes sure their kids cannot get to them arbitrarily, they educate their children on the realities of the weapon, and they don't go around slinging a gun like a wild west cowboy. This is the argument the Anti Gun Clique likes to present. There are Irresponsible and REALLY STUPID people out there. What I think of as a Homer Simpson. Act on the dumbazz and not the tool.

Here is a grim little fact you may be unaware of, the way things are going economically we may be facing a serious economic collapse far sooner than later as predicted. Yeah the NWO has plans and yeah they likewise have contingencies in place BUT sometimes the Dominoes don't fall the way you planned and they might in turn share in the damage in unpredicted ways. So in the mean time who maintains order in our communities and homes when there are NO police? Wait for the military to stop the looting and the pillaging that will happen? How about keeping people from each others throats when everything goes bad? Humans can turn feral with the right provocation. It is a herd mentality among us. A demonstration turns violent and then a mob grows and with its growth it becomes a riot. And sometimes a riot escalates into what we had in Los Angeles. LAPD could not restore order. it took three days for the National Guard to get in place. And here is the sad thing, the gun I was packing was loaded! Theirs were not! NO AMMO IN THEIR ISSUE! I actually felt sorry for them. Imagine if people were so pissed off they decided to confront the National Guard and found out they were basically unarmed at that time... The word UGLY comes to mind! Actually correct that, FUGLY! It would have been very FUGLY for them. If anything the LA Riots were handled BADLY! The mayor and LAPD dropped the ball hard!

And here is a statistic for some of you ANTI GUNNERS OUT THERE BORN OUT BY THE NUMBERS OF THE LOS ANGELES RIOTS! The only Neighborhoods unaffected by the violence were all defended by ARMED LOCALS like mine or affluent neighborhoods where the local police were present in force. 1 Point. All the businesses spared looting and burning were defended by armed owners. 2 Points. Most of the actual looting as confirmed by camera evidence was committed more by Hispanics while the burnings were more perpetrated by blacks. Whites were present but in very small numbers. 3 points! LA was in Martial Law! Guess what! Martial law means GRAB YOUR GUN! THINGS GOT BAD!

Sorry, not convinced limitations and bans make any sense other than one real regard, military force is not necessary for hunting weapons unless they are dumbed down to keep hunting a sport. When I use my shotgun for hunting I put the magazine restricted back in to comply with the law. Any more than three shots with a shotgun HUNTING is just way over doing it. Even for fowling. If you can't hit what you aim at with the first shot why are you out there? But sometimes a animal is not taken down outright and it comes right for you like Bears and Pigs. You have at least two more shots and are entitled to pack a six gun on your hip just in case you done got HOGZILLA'S attention and you hit it with all three and piggie is still not convinced he is bacon. Going after deer with a 20 round magazine is ridiculous. But 20 rounds for home defense is not untoward! Let us consider the advantage a criminal with a fully automatic 30 round AK 47 has over a 14 round 9mm Semiautomatic.... A Jedi Light Saber vs. a Letter Opener. Got me???

So I have to have a pea shooter when bad guys get the REAL firepower? If there is any consolation the one option is to bushwhack these bastards and take THEIR guns from them and turn them against others like them. That is one option for good people to get bad mens' guns to protect themselves.


Those who turn swords into Plowshares will plow for those who do not!
-Thomas Jefferson

to bad Thomas Jefferson didn't give his slaves that option

you're here praising Thomos Jefferson who was to his slaves part of a tyrannical government that use guns to deny others their Rights ...

but yet at the same time you're here cursing those in today's government that you believe is trying to do the same thing to you that Thomas Jefferson done to his slaves

sort of ironic

Aw hypocrisy....

A whole nuther thread though...

Because a person cannot really see outside of their perspective which is always biased to their understanding of their experiences. It is hard to find a lack of hypocrisy in what people believe or say.

As for the president, you bet he will fail at some of the things he tries to do. Some because even as smart as he is, he cannot see outside of his own personal perspective. For example, he was not in favor of gays marrying when he came into office the first time. Somehow in the process of doing his job, he realized that they should be given all the rights of everyone else. Religion blocked this view for him before that time.\

Getting to universal healthcare is not a feat he is capable of with the ignorance he deals with in congress. So he will fail.

But sometimes the try is what is needed. Several tries and it will get over the wall. President Obama will not do it but it may be done by one of the next presidents of his caliber and more easily because of the change he has brought himself.