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Topic: cops kicked out of dennys ( chuckle)
singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Fri 01/04/13 11:26 AM
If a business has a policy of not allowing armed citizens to enter, I can see why they were asked to leave if they didn't put their guns in their cars.

singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Fri 01/04/13 11:27 AM
Makes sense. A legally armed citizen can protect the public as well as and sometimes better that law enforcement. If a citizen is banned from entering with a weapon, it's only right cops are under the same ban. I have seen may cops who believe they are above the law. I totally agree with that, but at the same time I think that if a citizen has a carry permit then any public place shouldn't be able to stop them from entering while carrying in the first place. Well . . . check your state. Some states give no legal support to such gun buster signs. Other states would consider ignoring one the same as trespassing. If your weapon is concealed . . . it would make it challenging to enforce such a sign. Whether or not a state allows a public place to decide if people can or can't carry on their property wasn't my point. I was just stating that I don't think any public establishment should be given the option to not allow legal carriers from carrying. The whole point of having a CCW permit in the first place is to be allowed to carry in public. Restaurants/etc are considered public places, so why should they be allowed to say that they don't apply to public laws? I remember being out in Ohio in the past and seeing "no guns allowed" signs in windows of businesses.

Bushidobillyclub Joined Fri 05/11/07 Posts: 5689	Fri 01/04/13 11:50 AM
Makes sense. A legally armed citizen can protect the public as well as and sometimes better that law enforcement. If a citizen is banned from entering with a weapon, it's only right cops are under the same ban. I have seen may cops who believe they are above the law. I totally agree with that, but at the same time I think that if a citizen has a carry permit then any public place shouldn't be able to stop them from entering while carrying in the first place. Well . . . check your state. Some states give no legal support to such gun buster signs. Other states would consider ignoring one the same as trespassing. If your weapon is concealed . . . it would make it challenging to enforce such a sign. Whether or not a state allows a public place to decide if people can or can't carry on their property wasn't my point. I was just stating that I don't think any public establishment should be given the option to not allow legal carriers from carrying. The whole point of having a CCW permit in the first place is to be allowed to carry in public. Restaurants/etc are considered public places, so why should they be allowed to say that they don't apply to public laws? The distinction to make is that of the difference between public space and private business. Private business is not a public space, neither is your home even if you had a sign up that said, "all welcome".

ujGearhead Joined Wed 10/10/07 Posts: 6612	Fri 01/04/13 11:55 AM
Makes sense. A legally armed citizen can protect the public as well as and sometimes better that law enforcement. If a citizen is banned from entering with a weapon, it's only right cops are under the same ban. I have seen may cops who believe they are above the law. I totally agree with that, but at the same time I think that if a citizen has a carry permit then any public place shouldn't be able to stop them from entering while carrying in the first place. Well . . . check your state. Some states give no legal support to such gun buster signs. Other states would consider ignoring one the same as trespassing. If your weapon is concealed . . . it would make it challenging to enforce such a sign. Whether or not a state allows a public place to decide if people can or can't carry on their property wasn't my point. I was just stating that I don't think any public establishment should be given the option to not allow legal carriers from carrying. The whole point of having a CCW permit in the first place is to be allowed to carry in public. Restaurants/etc are considered public places, so why should they be allowed to say that they don't apply to public laws? I remember being out in Ohio in the past and seeing "no guns allowed" signs in windows of businesses. Unfortunately lots of places don't allow them. I suppose those businesses think that will stop potential criminals from whatever they have in mind.... This place takes it a step further.... Yeah, that sign will discourage 'em.....

singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Fri 01/04/13 12:19 PM
I can absolutely see why places like bars and restaurants wouldn't allow people to carry guns inside. Alcohol and guns wouldn't mix well.

Bushidobillyclub Joined Fri 05/11/07 Posts: 5689	Fri 01/04/13 12:19 PM
Unfortunately lots of places don't allow them. I suppose those businesses think that will stop potential criminals from whatever they have in mind.... This place takes it a step further.... Yeah, that sign will discourage 'em..... Ohh I agree, laws, signs and asking nicely all fall into the category of dont hold your breath . . . Paper protection is no protection at all.

rambill79 Joined Thu 09/14/06 Posts: 5780	Sat 01/05/13 06:22 AM Edited by rambill79 on Sat 01/05/13 06:23 AM
its about time that someone recognized cops as dangerous to your health. hmmm. when they can be armed and i cant, thats a police state by definition. besides, we dont know the rest of the story... were they acting like jack booted thugs at the time? It would not be be the first time.

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48948	Sat 01/05/13 08:02 PM
Here is a news story about the incident published by Chicagoist.com: “America’s diner is always open,” is the Denny’s slogan—except briefly this week for police officers in downstate Belleville, thanks to a management snafu involving the restaurant chain’s firearm policy. On New Year’s Day, location manager David Rice asked five on-duty detectives in plainclothes to remove their weapons or leave the restaurant, apparently following up on a complain from another diner. None of the officers were in uniform, but all had visible badges and there were police radios on the table. They thought the manager was joking, but Rice explained a sign on the door prohibited weapons except for uniformed police officers. Denny’s allows law enforcement officials to carry weapons, so Rice’s request was apparently a misinterpretation of company policy. After he told the officers they could take their food with them if they chose to leave, Rice got word from the restaurant’s general manager that the cops could stay. “At this point,” read a statement by Police Capt. Don Sax, “the detectives were very embarrassed and felt the situation was entirely too awkward for them to remain and all left the restaurant.” So, Slam-less, they left. Belleville Police Chief William Clay then banned all on-duty officers from eating at the restaurant, calling the incident “an insult, a slap in the face.” Clay met with Denny's executives Thursday and subsequently lifted his ban. “I harbor no grudges,” he said in a statement. The restaurant offered Belleville police officers free meals on Friday.

DumbestUsernameEvr Joined Fri 09/07/12 Posts: 274	Sat 01/05/13 08:18 PM Edited by DumbestUsernameEvr on Sat 01/05/13 08:19 PM
“They had been harassed enough they have been embarrassed more than enough.” Cops claiming they were harassed...too funny.

navygirl Joined Sat 06/02/07 Posts: 8118	Sat 01/05/13 10:25 PM
Clay met with Denny's executives Thursday and subsequently lifted his ban. “I harbor no grudges,” he said in a statement. The restaurant offered Belleville police officers free meals on Friday.

miticoman Joined Fri 05/20/11 Posts: 329	Sat 01/05/13 11:11 PM
No way, cop must be armed, ppl must shut up the fax

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Sun 01/06/13 02:30 AM
Makes sense. A legally armed citizen can protect the public as well as and sometimes better that law enforcement. If a citizen is banned from entering with a weapon, it's only right cops are under the same ban. I have seen may cops who believe they are above the law. I totally agree with that, but at the same time I think that if a citizen has a carry permit then any public place shouldn't be able to stop them from entering while carrying in the first place. Well . . . check your state. Some states give no legal support to such gun buster signs. Other states would consider ignoring one the same as trespassing. If your weapon is concealed . . . it would make it challenging to enforce such a sign. Whether or not a state allows a public place to decide if people can or can't carry on their property wasn't my point. I was just stating that I don't think any public establishment should be given the option to not allow legal carriers from carrying. The whole point of having a CCW permit in the first place is to be allowed to carry in public. Restaurants/etc are considered public places, so why should they be allowed to say that they don't apply to public laws? The distinction to make is that of the difference between public space and private business. Private business is not a public space, neither is your home even if you had a sign up that said, "all welcome". but how private is a Restaurant who caters and is open to the General Public? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pub

rambill79 Joined Thu 09/14/06 Posts: 5780	Sun 01/06/13 09:45 AM
“They had been harassed enough they have been embarrassed more than enough.” Cops claiming they were harassed...too funny. aww poor little helpless downtrodden misunderstood jack booted thugs. I still think there is more to this, like perhaps their behavior?

Bushidobillyclub Joined Fri 05/11/07 Posts: 5689	Sun 01/06/13 01:04 PM
Makes sense. A legally armed citizen can protect the public as well as and sometimes better that law enforcement. If a citizen is banned from entering with a weapon, it's only right cops are under the same ban. I have seen may cops who believe they are above the law. I totally agree with that, but at the same time I think that if a citizen has a carry permit then any public place shouldn't be able to stop them from entering while carrying in the first place. Well . . . check your state. Some states give no legal support to such gun buster signs. Other states would consider ignoring one the same as trespassing. If your weapon is concealed . . . it would make it challenging to enforce such a sign. Whether or not a state allows a public place to decide if people can or can't carry on their property wasn't my point. I was just stating that I don't think any public establishment should be given the option to not allow legal carriers from carrying. The whole point of having a CCW permit in the first place is to be allowed to carry in public. Restaurants/etc are considered public places, so why should they be allowed to say that they don't apply to public laws? The distinction to make is that of the difference between public space and private business. Private business is not a public space, neither is your home even if you had a sign up that said, "all welcome". but how private is a Restaurant who caters and is open to the General Public? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pub A places location and availability is not the same as its ownership.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Sun 01/06/13 06:53 PM
“They had been harassed enough they have been embarrassed more than enough.” Cops claiming they were harassed...too funny. aww poor little helpless downtrodden misunderstood jack booted thugs. I still think there is more to this, like perhaps their behavior? Well, if cops with guns wearing plain clothes are not allowed to be in Denny's, it is probably because citizens with guns are not allowed to be in Denny's and a citizen with a gun might be difficult to discern from a plain clothes cop. If Denny's wants to make things fair, they should allow anyone carrying guns to come in.