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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Let's take medicines off the shelves... they kill as many as they help. Remove cars....traffic deaths are the highest death tolls per year. Ban wars.... they kill millions, most being innocents. Let's cut off the electricity....cancer clusters are a proven problem Ban manufacturing... their contaminants pollute our air and streams Ban food... it causes obesity, heart conditions, and death. Ban airplanes... 3,000+ deaths in one day could have been avoided The list could go on and on! Any of the items above kill more people each year than psychos with guns in public places! Where is the outrage to these "killers"? Guns are NOT the problem! You may say "people with guns is the problem!"... so do we ban people? After all, being crazy enough to carry out these attacks is the reason some use to desire a gun ban. Do they start using nerve gas, anthrax, bombs instead? No, they will continue to use guns because the manufacturing of them will never stop, regardless of the peoples "right" to own them! So we take away these guns from citizens, will that stop the criminals from getting them? That worked well with drugs didn't it? Now only criminals have drugs, ruthless cartels and gangs profit at the expense of the people, crime rises, taxes/debt raise to house the offenders in jails, grow gov't, better arm the police, and further reduce our liberties. Prohibition has NEVER worked! It raises crime, risk, and illegal profits, growing gangs and a police state! The people lose! Anyone who believes otherwise is fooling themselves! They are the problem! Big Pharma is the problem! TV and video games, computers are the problem! Biased media, corrupt politicians, bad leadership, that is the problem! Loss of liberty, lack of a decent wage or jobs to provide one, gov't regulations, and the results of them are the problem. Blaming a tool for a violent act is as foolish as blaming the children for being there! Children will continue to go to school, companies will continue to make guns, criminals will continue to get guns regardless of the laws.... that's why they are called criminals! Get your head on straight! It's best to be able to defend yourself against the obvious than to become another victim to it! again the difference between regulation and banning is being lost here death is inevitable as is tragedy, the point of regulations or laws is not to STOP tragedies completely, that is not possible the point of regulations or laws is to try to make tragedies occur LESS OFTEN,,, everything being erroneously compared to guns , in that they can cause death too, is regulated,,,,, Then you validate my point... prohibition, regulation, whatever, is a fools errand at taxpayer/citizen loss! It solves NOTHING! It only causes loss of liberty and further grows a police state/gov't! Back to the topic however... Obama is a murderer who policizes the wholesale slaughter of innocents, much worse than any of the shooters blamed for these outrages! And he does it from a comfortable office 5,000 miles away! As far as I know.... he can't use SSRIs as an excuse! |
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Let's take medicines off the shelves... they kill as many as they help. Remove cars....traffic deaths are the highest death tolls per year. Ban wars.... they kill millions, most being innocents. Let's cut off the electricity....cancer clusters are a proven problem Ban manufacturing... their contaminants pollute our air and streams Ban food... it causes obesity, heart conditions, and death. Ban airplanes... 3,000+ deaths in one day could have been avoided The list could go on and on! Any of the items above kill more people each year than psychos with guns in public places! Where is the outrage to these "killers"? Guns are NOT the problem! You may say "people with guns is the problem!"... so do we ban people? After all, being crazy enough to carry out these attacks is the reason some use to desire a gun ban. Do they start using nerve gas, anthrax, bombs instead? No, they will continue to use guns because the manufacturing of them will never stop, regardless of the peoples "right" to own them! So we take away these guns from citizens, will that stop the criminals from getting them? That worked well with drugs didn't it? Now only criminals have drugs, ruthless cartels and gangs profit at the expense of the people, crime rises, taxes/debt raise to house the offenders in jails, grow gov't, better arm the police, and further reduce our liberties. Prohibition has NEVER worked! It raises crime, risk, and illegal profits, growing gangs and a police state! The people lose! Anyone who believes otherwise is fooling themselves! They are the problem! Big Pharma is the problem! TV and video games, computers are the problem! Biased media, corrupt politicians, bad leadership, that is the problem! Loss of liberty, lack of a decent wage or jobs to provide one, gov't regulations, and the results of them are the problem. Blaming a tool for a violent act is as foolish as blaming the children for being there! Children will continue to go to school, companies will continue to make guns, criminals will continue to get guns regardless of the laws.... that's why they are called criminals! Get your head on straight! It's best to be able to defend yourself against the obvious than to become another victim to it! again the difference between regulation and banning is being lost here death is inevitable as is tragedy, the point of regulations or laws is not to STOP tragedies completely, that is not possible the point of regulations or laws is to try to make tragedies occur LESS OFTEN,,, everything being erroneously compared to guns , in that they can cause death too, is regulated,,,,, Then you validate my point... prohibition, regulation, whatever, is a fools errand at taxpayer/citizen loss! It solves NOTHING! It only causes loss of liberty and further grows a police state/gov't! Back to the topic however... Obama is a murderer who policizes the wholesale slaughter of innocents, much worse than any of the shooters blamed for these outrages! And he does it from a comfortable office 5,000 miles away! As far as I know.... he can't use SSRIs as an excuse! I wouldnt think the lives saved keeping licenses out of the inexperienced drivers hands is a fools errand or the lives saved by keeping people warm and connected to their world and community through technology requiring 'power' (electric or otherwise) is a fools errand I dont think the lives saved when pollution standards are set is a fools errand whatever opinion people have of a president because of wars is their personal problem,,,, war has been a part of american history, a part of EVERY countries history, and it is inevitable as any other kind of violence sometimes it is necessary in defense and sometimes its not,, I leave that to the actual military consultants and experts who study international treaties/conflicts/politics,,, |
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Sat 12/22/12 04:31 PM
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Let's take medicines off the shelves... they kill as many as they help. Remove cars....traffic deaths are the highest death tolls per year. Ban wars.... they kill millions, most being innocents. Let's cut off the electricity....cancer clusters are a proven problem Ban manufacturing... their contaminants pollute our air and streams Ban food... it causes obesity, heart conditions, and death. Ban airplanes... 3,000+ deaths in one day could have been avoided The list could go on and on! Any of the items above kill more people each year than psychos with guns in public places! Where is the outrage to these "killers"? Guns are NOT the problem! You may say "people with guns is the problem!"... so do we ban people? After all, being crazy enough to carry out these attacks is the reason some use to desire a gun ban. Do they start using nerve gas, anthrax, bombs instead? No, they will continue to use guns because the manufacturing of them will never stop, regardless of the peoples "right" to own them! So we take away these guns from citizens, will that stop the criminals from getting them? That worked well with drugs didn't it? Now only criminals have drugs, ruthless cartels and gangs profit at the expense of the people, crime rises, taxes/debt raise to house the offenders in jails, grow gov't, better arm the police, and further reduce our liberties. Prohibition has NEVER worked! It raises crime, risk, and illegal profits, growing gangs and a police state! The people lose! Anyone who believes otherwise is fooling themselves! They are the problem! Big Pharma is the problem! TV and video games, computers are the problem! Biased media, corrupt politicians, bad leadership, that is the problem! Loss of liberty, lack of a decent wage or jobs to provide one, gov't regulations, and the results of them are the problem. Blaming a tool for a violent act is as foolish as blaming the children for being there! Children will continue to go to school, companies will continue to make guns, criminals will continue to get guns regardless of the laws.... that's why they are called criminals! Get your head on straight! It's best to be able to defend yourself against the obvious than to become another victim to it! again the difference between regulation and banning is being lost here death is inevitable as is tragedy, the point of regulations or laws is not to STOP tragedies completely, that is not possible the point of regulations or laws is to try to make tragedies occur LESS OFTEN,,, everything being erroneously compared to guns , in that they can cause death too, is regulated,,,,, Then you validate my point... prohibition, regulation, whatever, is a fools errand at taxpayer/citizen loss! It solves NOTHING! It only causes loss of liberty and further grows a police state/gov't! Back to the topic however... Obama is a murderer who policizes the wholesale slaughter of innocents, much worse than any of the shooters blamed for these outrages! And he does it from a comfortable office 5,000 miles away! As far as I know.... he can't use SSRIs as an excuse! I wouldnt think the lives saved keeping licenses out of the inexperienced drivers hands is a fools errand or the lives saved by keeping people warm and connected to their world and community through technology requiring 'power' (electric or otherwise) is a fools errand I dont think the lives saved when pollution standards are set is a fools errand whatever opinion people have of a president because of wars is their personal problem,,,, war has been a part of american history, a part of EVERY countries history, and it is inevitable as any other kind of violence sometimes it is necessary in defense and sometimes its not,, I leave that to the actual military consultants and experts who study international treaties/conflicts/politics,,, Being overly analytical of the examples given, misdirecting the conversation, does not change the fact that they kill more people than all the people killed by these shooter kids with their semi-autos. Are these shootings a problem? YES! Is gun control the solution? NO! SSRIs have been linked to the larger majority of these shootings as well as most other violent crimes... where is the outrage for more control of these? The misdirection of fault from the cause to the actor or his choice of weapon, is senseless unless you plan on barring people from existing. Just like cars, power lines and substations, airplanes, trains, knives, forks and peoples hands and feet are inanimate objects controlled by a user, so are guns! No sane person slaughters a classroom full of kids.... but it's the guns fault? That's just stupidity, plain and simple! If you are to blame guns, you must blame every example I gave previously with equal attention and actions or your opinions are invalidated by your bias. Just as sane people don't slaughter women and children, you would think that a leader of a powerful country would rethink or abort any action that does so! Obama doesn't! He dismisses it as "collateral damage" with no second thoughts, like that makes it excusable or rational! IT'S NOT! Let's take the secret service away from his wife and kids, expose them to the realities of life, much less his actions! But you are right in a sense because we the people (well, some of them) are at fault for allowing him to proceed with these atrocities, or re-electing him after his abuses to peoples rights and his attacks and abuses imposed on a large portion of humanity the world over! |
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this is not an Obama issue
every president that has overseen a military has overseen deaths of 'innocents' in the crossfire,,, and that is an issue used to misdirect from the conversation of what is happening here in AMERICA all and every item can be used as a weapon, but the difference is, those items are not created to BE a weapon, and when used as a weapon, you will rarely find them capable of producing MASS Murder in the numbers that guns have been used to produce there is just no comparison, no matter how often the insane analogy is made,,, |
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OBAMA is not the problem. Who is the problem then if not the Commander-in-chief? If not him, then who accepts responsibility for American foreign & domestic policy? If it is true, then: NIxon wasn't responsible for Watergate Johnson wasn't responsible for the Mai Lai massacre Truman wasn't responsible for Hiroshima and Nagasaki (so much for the buck stopping there eh?) Hitler wasn't responsible for persecuting the Jews Stalin wasn't responsible for the purges & other atrocities under his watch Mao wasn't responsible for the cultural revolution that killed some 70,000,000 Chinese. If I'm not mistaken, the Commander-in Chief IS responsible. I believe it is written into the laws of war in the Geneva conventions. It was proved at Nuremberg. Tell me again that Obama isn't responsible for what happens under his command, because that's exactly what you said when you said "Obama is not the problem." |
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this is not an Obama issue every president that has overseen a military has overseen deaths of 'innocents' in the crossfire,,, and that is an issue used to misdirect from the conversation of what is happening here in AMERICA all and every item can be used as a weapon, but the difference is, those items are not created to BE a weapon, and when used as a weapon, you will rarely find them capable of producing MASS Murder in the numbers that guns have been used to produce there is just no comparison, no matter how often the insane analogy is made,,, Every tool has its use, but you are wrong, guns were not created as weapons. Like the bow and arrow, its initial use was a simple improvement over mans (then) ability to provide food AND protection in a harsh environment for his family. The military weaponized it, sponsored mass production of it, and made it what is is today. When scientists discovered the atom do you think they said "Hey, this will make a great bomb!"? No! It too was militarized! So, it would seem we can blame the military as well as psychotropic drugs and crazy people.... so which do we ban next? |
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Sat 12/22/12 06:16 PM
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OBAMA is not the problem. Who is the problem then if not the Commander-in-chief? If not him, then who accepts responsibility for American foreign & domestic policy? If it is true, then: NIxon wasn't responsible for Watergate Johnson wasn't responsible for the Mai Lai massacre Truman wasn't responsible for Hiroshima and Nagasaki (so much for the buck stopping there eh?) Hitler wasn't responsible for persecuting the Jews Stalin wasn't responsible for the purges & other atrocities under his watch Mao wasn't responsible for the cultural revolution that killed some 70,000,000 Chinese. If I'm not mistaken, the Commander-in Chief IS responsible. I believe it is written into the laws of war in the Geneva conventions. It was proved at Nuremberg. Tell me again that Obama isn't responsible for what happens under his command, because that's exactly what you said when you said "Obama is not the problem." That can be summed up by one word in the plural for both corrupt parties.....BANKERS! If you are a believer... even Christ threw the money changers out of the temple! Andrew Jackson did as well, and they tried to assassinate him (they were more successful with Lincoln and the Kennedy brothers). |
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this is not an Obama issue every president that has overseen a military has overseen deaths of 'innocents' in the crossfire,,, and that is an issue used to misdirect from the conversation of what is happening here in AMERICA all and every item can be used as a weapon, but the difference is, those items are not created to BE a weapon, and when used as a weapon, you will rarely find them capable of producing MASS Murder in the numbers that guns have been used to produce there is just no comparison, no matter how often the insane analogy is made,,, Every tool has its use, but you are wrong, guns were not created as weapons. Like the bow and arrow, its initial use was a simple improvement over mans (then) ability to provide food AND protection in a harsh environment for his family. The military weaponized it, sponsored mass production of it, and made it what is is today. When scientists discovered the atom do you think they said "Hey, this will make a great bomb!"? No! It too was militarized! So, it would seem we can blame the military as well as psychotropic drugs and crazy people.... so which do we ban next? providing food requires 'hunting' with a weapon and guns dont protect from harsh environments without being used as 'weapons' against animals or people that may harm them there is no way around calling it a weapon,,,intended to harm or kill, regardless of the reason behind the harming and killing a gun is a gun, it was created as a gun atoms were not CREATED they were discovered, and then the knowledge gained through their study helped scientists develop a WEAPON called an atom bomb we can blame the culture and the mentality of those with the weapons as well as the availability and design of the weapons themself,,, |
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