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Topic: Gun control? We need medication control!
Bestinshow's photo
Sat 12/15/12 11:52 AM
*** shootings involving guns and mind-altering medications, politicians immediately seek to blame guns but never the medication.

Nearly every mass shooting that has taken place in America over the last two decades has a link to psychiatric medication, and it appears today’s tragic event is headed in the same direction.

According to ABC News, Adam Lanza, the alleged shooter, has been labeled as having “mental illness” and a “personality disorder.” These are precisely the words typically heard in a person who is being “treated” with mind-altering psychiatric drugs.

One of the most common side effects of psychiatric drugs is violent outbursts and thoughts of suicide.

Note: The shooter was originally mid-identified as Ryan Lanza but has now been corrected to Adam Lanza.

The Columbine High School shooters were, of course, on psychiatric drugs at the time they shot their classmates in 1999. Suicidal tendencies and violent, destructive thoughts are some of the admitted behavioral side effects of mind-altering prescription medications.

No gun can, by itself, shoot anyone. It must be triggered by a person who makes a decision to use it.

And while people like NY Mayor Bloomberg are predictably trying to exploit the deaths of these children to call for guns to be stripped from all law abiding citizens who have done nothing wrong whatsoever, nobody calls for medication control.

Why is that? After all, medication alters the mind that controls the finger that pulls the trigger. The saying that “guns kill people” is physically impossible. People kill other people, and as we all learned from watching the O.J. Simpson trial, you don’t need a gun to commit murder.

We should be outlawing psychiatric medications, not an inanimate piece of metal

If there is to be any legitimate debate on so-called “gun control” in the aftermath of this shooting, the only idea that makes any sense at all would be to restrict gun purchases by people currently taking psychiatric medications.

But even that restriction would of course be abused by the government to take guns away from perfectly healthy, law-abiding citizens who innocently seek treatment for mild depression and who honestly have no clue that psychiatric drugs can cause violent behavior.

A far better solution here would be to outlaw psychiatric drugs that cause the violent behavior in the first place. After all, if you only outlaw guns but fail to eliminate the drugs that cause the violence, people dosed up on mind-altering meds will simply find alternate weapons to commit the same acts of violence.

You don’t think a crazy guy with a sword can hack up 20 or 30 kids in a school? A sword, a knife or even a pick axe can be just as deadly as a firearm.

A guy with a chain saw can do all kinds of damage if he’s out of his mind. Should we ban chain saws?

I have thought for quite some time that people on medication are dangerous operating automobiles on public roads. If driving drunk is illegal, why isn’t “driving on meds” illegal? Why are wildly medicated people allowed to operate heavy machinery?

A high-ranking police officer in Tucson, Arizona once told me, on the record, that one-third of all automobile accidents in the city of Tucson were related to medicated drivers. That’s an astonishing number, and if true, it would seem to indicate that medications are more dangerous than guns when it comes to the total daily body count.

Do the math: medications are far more deadly than guns

Medications kill roughly 100,000 Americans each year according to study statistics. The actual number is either 98,000 or 106,000 depending on which study you believe.

For guns to be as deadly as medications, you’d have to see a Newton-style massacre happening ten times a day, every day of the year. Only then would “gun violence” even match up to the number of deaths caused by doctor-prescribed, FDA-approved medications.

Why does America grieve for the children killed in Newton, but not for the medical victims killed by Big Pharma?

Are the lives of people on medication not valuable compared to the lives of children in elementary school? Will Obama shed a tear for the victims of Big Pharma, or are his tears reserved only for politically expedient events that push his agenda of unconstitutional gun restrictions?

If our goal us to stop the violence in America, we are completely dishonest if we do not consider the mental causes of violent behavior. And that starts with mind-altering psychiatric drugs which I believe have unleashed a drug-induced epidemic of violence across our nation.

Obama, Bloomberg and others will point to guns and try to convince you that inanimate metal objects are the cause of this violence. But they lie by omission. No guns shoots itself.

The trigger must be pulled by someone, and the mental state of that person is the primary cause of the resulting action. To ignore this fundamental chain of facts is brutally dishonest.

http://theintelhub.com/2012/12/15/school-shooter-adam-lanza-likely-on-meds-labeled-as-having-personality-disorder/

AndyBgood's photo
Sat 12/15/12 12:51 PM
OH MY GOD! WE ACTUALLY AGREE ON SOMETHING?


I am going to see if the sky is falling! I'll be back...


(LOOKING OUTSIDE...)



Holy cow! This is not a dream!

in grade school I was so doped out on Ritalin I actually did try to kill people. I hate to admit this openly but the fact is I resent the LA Unified School District for having forced my parents into making me a Lab Rat for a experimental at the time drug. Bear in mind this behavior kicked in at about 75mg daily in three 25mg doses. I was up at 150mg in three doses of 50mg and by then I wasn't sure who the hell was out to kill me. These days it takes a court order to allow more than 30 mg daily at all. BUT THIS GETS BETTER...

Not counting people I knew who were recreationally using MUCH harder illegal drugs and wandering out on the 405 freeway at 3AM naked as a jaybird... I do not advocate pharma or bathtub pharma at all and never did. People do what they do and I have no control over them so moving on...

I knew a family who had their teenage son on Prozac. I thought the kid just needed a backhand across the side of his face because of attitude but "we don't hit," right??? They tried 'Dr. Spock' who decided Prozac would be the best option. Well, the kid began to have some real bad problems. Delusions, bad nightmares, then came the rather "gothic" attitude (everything is dark and dismal. I wish I were dead...) which had me through a second party suggest going to another doctor with a different specialty, drug addiction, which to my surprise my advice was taken thankfully to a number of news articles pertaining to children on Prozac flipping out. An addiction specialist would spot the problems right from the get go in a patient going through the symptoms of "going over the bridge." After an interview said kid did indeed attempt suicide a few days later after being taken promptly off of Prozac but thankfully his parents were told what to watch for and indeed their kid was found trying to get at a kitchen knife to do himself since his parents removed and locked up every thing sharp and their guns and removed anything potentially lethal including hose hold cleaners, plant fertilizers, paint, and other stuff. The whole Prozac experience has marred these people's lives for good considering their kid needed a lot of therapy after that. He is not the same and as an adult now he is managing but you can never tell now with someone who has been imprinted with the memory of wanting to die so much so they try to effect it.

In High School I knew a guy named Kelly who was sort of a lost soul. Its hard to describe a person like that. He was not a bad person per say and really did no harm to anyone. But he was an epileptic and on so many weird drugs that at times he would just go into his own little world for a little while and would come back like nothing happened. His nickname was Drugs sadly and the list of what he took was more than impressive. I could not pronounce most of the names. He always talked about living a life never needing to do any of it. He felt cursed he needed all the drugs he was taking to supposedly keep him "here" and he knew the cost was breaking his parents. He felt a strange guilt no one ever really knew about the guy.

I went to visit him out of the blue one day and his parents said he was in the garage. Well, he was. I was not the one who had to tell his parents thankfully. All I did was go to the neighbors apartment and ask them to call the police. I told them what I knew and seen and where not one person felt any sense of loss about his death. I sure did. I never seen that coming. He was so desperate to be normal...

You know every friend I lost to drug abuse isn't as bad as the ones who died from the drugs Doctors gave them...

So who pays when the pill that kills is given? Its so god damn easy to point a finger at a gun... But a doctor?

In the case of illegal drugs there are laws that make a drug dealer responsible for a death...

I don't like Pharma or blindly trust Doctors.

huh I think I am in hell in this life sometimes!grumble

grizz11952001's photo
Sat 12/15/12 02:16 PM
i agree seen many people flip out because of prescribed pain killers an antidepressants from the doctors but yet because they make money from them its legal kinda like a legal dope pusher really this should be looked at closely .beer is only legal because they tax it i dont know if they tax medicine but im sure they get there cut of that to. smokin

HotRodDeluxe's photo
Sun 12/16/12 01:25 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Sun 12/16/12 01:25 PM
Is it confirmed that he was taking medication for his condition?

AndyBgood's photo
Sun 12/16/12 01:50 PM

Is it confirmed that he was taking medication for his condition?


That is what I really want to know. The patterns are all too clear sometimes! If all of these shootings have Prescription drugs behind them well what do we think about this tragedy then? Are not the doctors who gave it to him not the killers?

Dodo_David's photo
Sun 12/16/12 01:59 PM

Is it confirmed that he was taking medication for his condition?


No, there is no report of the shooter having been on prescription medication.

HotRodDeluxe's photo
Sun 12/16/12 02:32 PM


Is it confirmed that he was taking medication for his condition?


No, there is no report of the shooter having been on prescription medication.


Thank you. I hadn't read anything that suggested he was on medication.

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Sun 12/16/12 03:54 PM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Sun 12/16/12 04:01 PM
Of course there's no report of the shooter being on drugs.... Big Pharma would rather have it blamed on guns and spends a fortune keeping it that way with the help of the media and lobbyists in congress!

It will come out eventually, just not while it's a hateful topic on peoples minds..... blame guns!

If they're seeing a shrink, they're on psychotropic drugs! guaranteed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhO0Pul_FcE&feature=youtu.be

Dodo_David's photo
Sun 12/16/12 04:10 PM

Of course there's no report of the shooter being on drugs.... Big Pharma would rather have it blamed on guns and spends a fortune keeping it that way with the help of the media and lobbyists in congress!

It will come out eventually, just not while it's a hateful topic on peoples minds..... blame guns!

If they're seeing a shrink, they're on psychotropic drugs! guaranteed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhO0Pul_FcE&feature=youtu.be


Again, you are assuming details that have not been established as being facts.

What news report says that the Connecticut shooter was undergoing help for mental illness?


Sojourning_Soul's photo
Sun 12/16/12 04:23 PM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Sun 12/16/12 04:23 PM


Of course there's no report of the shooter being on drugs.... Big Pharma would rather have it blamed on guns and spends a fortune keeping it that way with the help of the media and lobbyists in congress!

It will come out eventually, just not while it's a hateful topic on peoples minds..... blame guns!

If they're seeing a shrink, they're on psychotropic drugs! guaranteed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhO0Pul_FcE&feature=youtu.be


Again, you are assuming details that have not been established as being facts.

What news report says that the Connecticut shooter was undergoing help for mental illness?




A sane person doesn't shoot up a preschool!

Common sense should be enough to figure that one out!

msharmony's photo
Sun 12/16/12 04:25 PM



Of course there's no report of the shooter being on drugs.... Big Pharma would rather have it blamed on guns and spends a fortune keeping it that way with the help of the media and lobbyists in congress!

It will come out eventually, just not while it's a hateful topic on peoples minds..... blame guns!

If they're seeing a shrink, they're on psychotropic drugs! guaranteed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhO0Pul_FcE&feature=youtu.be


Again, you are assuming details that have not been established as being facts.

What news report says that the Connecticut shooter was undergoing help for mental illness?




A sane person doesn't shoot up a preschool!

Common sense should be enough to figure that one out!


depends upon how one is defining 'sanity'

I think no sane person enjoys sodomy,,,

but I dont think any of us are medical professionals,,,,

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Sun 12/16/12 04:30 PM




Of course there's no report of the shooter being on drugs.... Big Pharma would rather have it blamed on guns and spends a fortune keeping it that way with the help of the media and lobbyists in congress!

It will come out eventually, just not while it's a hateful topic on peoples minds..... blame guns!

If they're seeing a shrink, they're on psychotropic drugs! guaranteed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhO0Pul_FcE&feature=youtu.be


Again, you are assuming details that have not been established as being facts.

What news report says that the Connecticut shooter was undergoing help for mental illness?




A sane person doesn't shoot up a preschool!

Common sense should be enough to figure that one out!


depends upon how one is defining 'sanity'

I think no sane person enjoys sodomy,,,

but I dont think any of us are medical professionals,,,,


So shooting up a preschool could be a "sane" act under any definition? rofl

Dodo_David's photo
Sun 12/16/12 04:34 PM



Of course there's no report of the shooter being on drugs.... Big Pharma would rather have it blamed on guns and spends a fortune keeping it that way with the help of the media and lobbyists in congress!

It will come out eventually, just not while it's a hateful topic on peoples minds..... blame guns!

If they're seeing a shrink, they're on psychotropic drugs! guaranteed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhO0Pul_FcE&feature=youtu.be


Again, you are assuming details that have not been established as being facts.

What news report says that the Connecticut shooter was undergoing help for mental illness?




A sane person doesn't shoot up a preschool!

Common sense should be enough to figure that one out!


You have not given any evidence that the shooter was undergoing treatment for a mental health problem.

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Sun 12/16/12 04:34 PM

Anyone seeing a "shrink" of any kind is on psychotropic drugs of one kind or another GUARANTEED! That's what they do, push pills for Big Pharma.....that's ALL they do!

There is very little evidence that shrinks actually ever help a persons condition. All they ever do is provide a new name for their condition, and pharma makes a new drug for it!

msharmony's photo
Sun 12/16/12 04:35 PM





Of course there's no report of the shooter being on drugs.... Big Pharma would rather have it blamed on guns and spends a fortune keeping it that way with the help of the media and lobbyists in congress!

It will come out eventually, just not while it's a hateful topic on peoples minds..... blame guns!

If they're seeing a shrink, they're on psychotropic drugs! guaranteed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhO0Pul_FcE&feature=youtu.be


Again, you are assuming details that have not been established as being facts.

What news report says that the Connecticut shooter was undergoing help for mental illness?




A sane person doesn't shoot up a preschool!

Common sense should be enough to figure that one out!


depends upon how one is defining 'sanity'

I think no sane person enjoys sodomy,,,

but I dont think any of us are medical professionals,,,,


So shooting up a preschool could be a "sane" act under any definition? rofl


sanity is a reference to state of mind, not a description of an activity

sane people do insane things,, just like insane people sometimes do otherwise sane things,,

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Sun 12/16/12 04:36 PM




Of course there's no report of the shooter being on drugs.... Big Pharma would rather have it blamed on guns and spends a fortune keeping it that way with the help of the media and lobbyists in congress!

It will come out eventually, just not while it's a hateful topic on peoples minds..... blame guns!

If they're seeing a shrink, they're on psychotropic drugs! guaranteed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhO0Pul_FcE&feature=youtu.be


Again, you are assuming details that have not been established as being facts.

What news report says that the Connecticut shooter was undergoing help for mental illness?




A sane person doesn't shoot up a preschool!

Common sense should be enough to figure that one out!


You have not given any evidence that the shooter was undergoing treatment for a mental health problem.


If you bothered to read, I said "if they are seeing a shrink..."!

If you had bothered to watch the video you would have seen where all the past such acts where done by people taking psychotropic drugs.....documented!

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Sun 12/16/12 04:38 PM






Of course there's no report of the shooter being on drugs.... Big Pharma would rather have it blamed on guns and spends a fortune keeping it that way with the help of the media and lobbyists in congress!

It will come out eventually, just not while it's a hateful topic on peoples minds..... blame guns!

If they're seeing a shrink, they're on psychotropic drugs! guaranteed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhO0Pul_FcE&feature=youtu.be


Again, you are assuming details that have not been established as being facts.

What news report says that the Connecticut shooter was undergoing help for mental illness?




A sane person doesn't shoot up a preschool!

Common sense should be enough to figure that one out!


depends upon how one is defining 'sanity'

I think no sane person enjoys sodomy,,,

but I dont think any of us are medical professionals,,,,


So shooting up a preschool could be a "sane" act under any definition? rofl


sanity is a reference to state of mind, not a description of an activity

sane people do insane things,, just like insane people sometimes do otherwise sane things,,


That's pure BS! Sane people may do some silly things in their lives, but I think they may draw the line at killing 5 yr olds!

msharmony's photo
Sun 12/16/12 04:40 PM







Of course there's no report of the shooter being on drugs.... Big Pharma would rather have it blamed on guns and spends a fortune keeping it that way with the help of the media and lobbyists in congress!

It will come out eventually, just not while it's a hateful topic on peoples minds..... blame guns!

If they're seeing a shrink, they're on psychotropic drugs! guaranteed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhO0Pul_FcE&feature=youtu.be


Again, you are assuming details that have not been established as being facts.

What news report says that the Connecticut shooter was undergoing help for mental illness?




A sane person doesn't shoot up a preschool!

Common sense should be enough to figure that one out!


depends upon how one is defining 'sanity'

I think no sane person enjoys sodomy,,,

but I dont think any of us are medical professionals,,,,


So shooting up a preschool could be a "sane" act under any definition? rofl


sanity is a reference to state of mind, not a description of an activity

sane people do insane things,, just like insane people sometimes do otherwise sane things,,


That's pure BS! Sane people may do some silly things in their lives, but I think they may draw the line at killing 5 yr olds!


I guess its easier to believe that 'sane' people dont do those things

sane people can do anything an insane person can do, except the sane person probably has more 'guilt' and conscience after the fact,,,

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Sun 12/16/12 04:43 PM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Sun 12/16/12 04:45 PM








Of course there's no report of the shooter being on drugs.... Big Pharma would rather have it blamed on guns and spends a fortune keeping it that way with the help of the media and lobbyists in congress!

It will come out eventually, just not while it's a hateful topic on peoples minds..... blame guns!

If they're seeing a shrink, they're on psychotropic drugs! guaranteed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhO0Pul_FcE&feature=youtu.be


Again, you are assuming details that have not been established as being facts.

What news report says that the Connecticut shooter was undergoing help for mental illness?




A sane person doesn't shoot up a preschool!

Common sense should be enough to figure that one out!


depends upon how one is defining 'sanity'

I think no sane person enjoys sodomy,,,

but I dont think any of us are medical professionals,,,,


So shooting up a preschool could be a "sane" act under any definition? rofl


sanity is a reference to state of mind, not a description of an activity

sane people do insane things,, just like insane people sometimes do otherwise sane things,,


That's pure BS! Sane people may do some silly things in their lives, but I think they may draw the line at killing 5 yr olds!


I guess its easier to believe that 'sane' people dont do those things

sane people can do anything an insane person can do, except the sane person probably has more 'guilt' and conscience after the fact,,,


Sanity is having that knowledge BEFORE the fact

There are some evil people in the world I must admit.....there's one in the White House now, who know better but the addiction controls.... to insanity

Dodo_David's photo
Sun 12/16/12 04:51 PM





Of course there's no report of the shooter being on drugs.... Big Pharma would rather have it blamed on guns and spends a fortune keeping it that way with the help of the media and lobbyists in congress!

It will come out eventually, just not while it's a hateful topic on peoples minds..... blame guns!

If they're seeing a shrink, they're on psychotropic drugs! guaranteed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhO0Pul_FcE&feature=youtu.be


Again, you are assuming details that have not been established as being facts.

What news report says that the Connecticut shooter was undergoing help for mental illness?




A sane person doesn't shoot up a preschool!

Common sense should be enough to figure that one out!


You have not given any evidence that the shooter was undergoing treatment for a mental health problem.


If you bothered to read, I said "if they are seeing a shrink..."!

If you had bothered to watch the video you would have seen where all the past such acts where done by people taking psychotropic drugs.....documented!


You are making the "correlation = causation" argument, which is a flaw in logic because correlation does not equal causation.

Why even mention prescription drugs if there is no evidence that the Connecticut shooter was using prescription drugs?

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