Topic: Israeli Pre-Dawn Raid on Palestinian NGOs Called 'Retaliator
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Tue 12/11/12 05:00 PM





Come on. That sounds racist to me.


Maybe you're onto something here. winking




Maybe you should learn the difference between religion and skin color.




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Tue 12/11/12 05:04 PM






Come on. That sounds racist to me.


Maybe you're onto something here. winking




Maybe you should learn the difference between religion and skin color.




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Thank you for proving my point.

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Tue 12/11/12 05:44 PM
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I don't think I proved YOUR point, but I hope you learned the difference between race and religion.

A person of any religion can be any race.


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Tue 12/11/12 05:54 PM



Maybe there will be peace when the ARABS THEMSELVES RECOGNIZE ISRAEL'S RIGHT TO EXIST.


That will not satisfy Israel. Israel is asking for the Arabs to recognize Israel's right to exist AS A JEWISH STATE not just the right to exist.

Everyone has a right to exist DUH!!!

It is a legal issue. Israel wants to claim all of the Holy land and they want to rule it under JEWISH LAW.

Arabs don't want peace with Israel if Israel wants to rule them under Jewish law.

It will never happen.

Muslims want their stupid religious laws and Jews want their stupid religious laws.

Religion and government SHOULD NOT BE MIXED.

Same goes for the sovereign Christians who want to create a Christian government for the Republic of America.

It can't happen. Religion is on the way out and should be on the way out.








OH SO ISRAEL SHOULD NOT HAVE A SOVEREIGN RIGHT TO RULE THEMSELVES? THEY DON'T DESERVE STATEHOOD BUT PALESTINE DOES?

Come on. That sounds racist to me. It also sounds self serving. So Israel should not be allowed to maintain their own laws in their own reaches? They should allow Islam to impose their law on them?

Get real! You know your very own argument folds in on itself!

So what do you call The Vatican? That is Sovereign Catholic soil! And on top of that you make it sound like America should allow a theocratic state among the union? Really? Shall I list theocratic nations?

Indonesia, Yeman, Saudi Arabia, Iran, nd I know there are others but I just need to dig them up and list them if you feel I need to add to this. So like I said, ONE JEWISH STATE, ISRAEL vs. HOW MANY ISLAMIC STATES?

Your very own argument is what prevents peace in that region because it is that same hollow racist view people there use to justify their hatred of Israel. A good neighbor does not shoot at your home because they are mad at you!

Then again this whole issue illustrates just how impotent the UN really is!


There is nothing racist about anything I said.

I am simply saying that religion should not be the government.




then lets bring this home... The Republican party... Need I say any more?

I do agree on your point. I disagree with its execution. If anything your ideals are in the right place but utterly misguided.

Look at what Egypt is going through right now and tell me Islam has any right to exist as a state? You could not nor would last long living in an Islamic nation. Part of is is your upbringing. The other part is you being a woman. You have NO RIGHTS WHAT SO EVER IN ISLAM. YOU are property and a breeding cow to Islam. At least here in our Dysfunctional Christian pseudo-theocracy you got the right to be a person and rights as an equal. Even Israelis treat their women FAR better than Islam. They are really the ONLY real Democracy in the Middle East.

Frankly if you bash Israel you bash all Jews on the grounds you and other cite. So what Israeli policies are bitter and brutal. LOOK AT WHAT THEY ARE SURROUNDED BY! bitter, brutal people who hate them because Muhammad told them to hate Jews and other Infidels such as myself. I hate Iran's GOVERNMENT. I hate their Religion! I DON'T hate the people of Iran nor do I bear them any animosity because like I have no power over my shittehead government they have none either. But when the shitte does hit the fan they had better run for cover!

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Tue 12/11/12 06:29 PM

rofl rofl rofl rofl

I don't think I proved YOUR point, but I hope you learned the difference between race and religion.

A person of any religion can be any race.




As usual, you just don't get it. Not surprising though.

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Wed 12/12/12 12:25 AM


rofl rofl rofl rofl

I don't think I proved YOUR point, but I hope you learned the difference between race and religion.

A person of any religion can be any race.




As usual, you just don't get it. Not surprising though.
:laughing:

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Wed 12/12/12 12:08 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 12/12/12 12:10 PM



rofl rofl rofl rofl

I don't think I proved YOUR point, but I hope you learned the difference between race and religion.

A person of any religion can be any race.




As usual, you just don't get it. Not surprising though.
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As usual you don't make sense and YOU don't get it.
Do you know the difference between race and religion?

Do you know what racism is?

It has to do with skin color, just in case you don't know.

Oh, and do you know the difference between a Zionist and a Jew?

I seriously doubt you do.





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Wed 12/12/12 12:20 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 12/12/12 12:23 PM





Come on. That sounds racist to me.


Maybe you're onto something here. winking




Maybe you should learn the difference between religion and skin color.




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rac·ism

/ˈrāˌsizəm/

Noun

1.The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as...
2.Prejudice or discrimination directed against someone of a different race based on such a belief.


So, defining the inhabitants of Israel as Ashkenazi Jews (as opposed to Sephardic Jews) is not imposing a racialist stereotype? You make a nonsense of your own argument.




Basically race has to do with skin color. European or Ashkenazi's are a Caucasian white skinned people. They live all over the world and they ascribe to all different religions. I can't distinguish them from my own race. I might even be related to them. Therefore, to imply that I am "racist" against that group of people is illogical and impossible.

When you add "Jew" behind Ashkenazi, as you have (Ashkenazi Jew) then you are ascribing a religion to that individual. "Jewish" is a religion.

Race and religion are not the same thing. I don't hate people because of their skin color. I don't hate people because of their religious beliefs either.

Referring to your definition above, I have no such "beliefs."

The one thing I will do, is criticize hostile actions, tyranny, and immoral acts by governments and groups of people.

So be clear on that.

Zionism is a political agenda created by a white skinned Caucasian European Ashkenazi (royal) family dynasty called Rothschild. They are not Jewish. They are impostors.

That is my belief.












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Wed 12/12/12 12:47 PM
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Still missing the point, I see.

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Wed 12/12/12 01:45 PM

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Still missing the point, I see.


You have no point.laugh laugh

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Thu 12/13/12 01:09 AM






Come on. That sounds racist to me.


Maybe you're onto something here. winking




Maybe you should learn the difference between religion and skin color.




laugh

rac·ism

/ˈrāˌsizəm/

Noun

1.The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as...
2.Prejudice or discrimination directed against someone of a different race based on such a belief.


So, defining the inhabitants of Israel as Ashkenazi Jews (as opposed to Sephardic Jews) is not imposing a racialist stereotype? You make a nonsense of your own argument.




Basically race has to do with skin color. European or Ashkenazi's are a Caucasian white skinned people. They live all over the world and they ascribe to all different religions. I can't distinguish them from my own race. I might even be related to them. Therefore, to imply that I am "racist" against that group of people is illogical and impossible.

When you add "Jew" behind Ashkenazi, as you have (Ashkenazi Jew) then you are ascribing a religion to that individual. "Jewish" is a religion.

Race and religion are not the same thing. I don't hate people because of their skin color. I don't hate people because of their religious beliefs either.

Referring to your definition above, I have no such "beliefs."

The one thing I will do, is criticize hostile actions, tyranny, and immoral acts by governments and groups of people.

So be clear on that.

Zionism is a political agenda created by a white skinned Caucasian European Ashkenazi (royal) family dynasty called Rothschild. They are not Jewish. They are impostors.

That is my belief.














And a "Belief" is just not good enough!
Genome-Report proves otherwise,regardless of what you believe!
Your Post actually is the Argument the Judeophobes on all those anti-Israel Sites use to delegitimize Israel!
But the Theory holds no water!
Been so nicely debunked by Genetic Research from several Sources!laugh

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Thu 12/13/12 03:00 AM







Come on. That sounds racist to me.


Maybe you're onto something here. winking




Maybe you should learn the difference between religion and skin color.




laugh





Thank you for proving my point.


Judging people solely based on their photograph sounds like bigotry
to me.

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Thu 12/13/12 03:42 AM








Come on. That sounds racist to me.


Maybe you're onto something here. winking




Maybe you should learn the difference between religion and skin color.




laugh





Thank you for proving my point.


Judging people solely based on their photograph sounds like bigotry
to me.

no man,it's the CT's Scientific Method!laugh

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Thu 12/13/12 09:54 AM







Come on. That sounds racist to me.


Maybe you're onto something here. winking




Maybe you should learn the difference between religion and skin color.




laugh

rac·ism

/ˈrāˌsizəm/

Noun

1.The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as...
2.Prejudice or discrimination directed against someone of a different race based on such a belief.


So, defining the inhabitants of Israel as Ashkenazi Jews (as opposed to Sephardic Jews) is not imposing a racialist stereotype? You make a nonsense of your own argument.




Basically race has to do with skin color. European or Ashkenazi's are a Caucasian white skinned people. They live all over the world and they ascribe to all different religions. I can't distinguish them from my own race. I might even be related to them. Therefore, to imply that I am "racist" against that group of people is illogical and impossible.

When you add "Jew" behind Ashkenazi, as you have (Ashkenazi Jew) then you are ascribing a religion to that individual. "Jewish" is a religion.

Race and religion are not the same thing. I don't hate people because of their skin color. I don't hate people because of their religious beliefs either.

Referring to your definition above, I have no such "beliefs."

The one thing I will do, is criticize hostile actions, tyranny, and immoral acts by governments and groups of people.

So be clear on that.

Zionism is a political agenda created by a white skinned Caucasian European Ashkenazi (royal) family dynasty called Rothschild. They are not Jewish. They are impostors.

That is my belief.







And a "Belief" is just not good enough!
Genome-Report proves otherwise,regardless of what you believe!
Your Post actually is the Argument the Judeophobes on all those anti-Israel Sites use to delegitimize Israel!
But the Theory holds no water!
Been so nicely debunked by Genetic Research from several Sources!laugh




So WHAT exactly do you believe your genome report "proves?"


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Thu 12/13/12 09:58 AM
Here is something to think about. This is basically what you are claiming:

Consider the case of a Caucasian Ashkenazi European who claims to be "Jewish" and is not "Semitic" or religious at all, (does not practice Judaism) --- what makes him "Jewish?"

A gene?

That is absurd. Genes have nothing to do with religion.

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Thu 12/13/12 10:07 AM

Here is something to think about. This is basically what you are claiming:

Consider the case of a Caucasian Ashkenazi European who claims to be "Jewish" and is not "Semitic" or religious at all, (does not practice Judaism) --- what makes him "Jewish?"

A gene?

That is absurd. Genes have nothing to do with religion.


1. Because Ashkenazi Jews practice Judaism. That is why they are
called Ashkenazi Jews.

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2. It is crazy to expect that people who have the same religion
would get married and have kids who also practice the same religion
with their family. That is just crazy talk!?!

laugh

Why would people with the same religion be related? It's unfathomable.

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Thu 12/13/12 10:11 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 12/13/12 10:12 AM


Here is something to think about. This is basically what you are claiming:

Consider the case of a Caucasian Ashkenazi European who claims to be "Jewish" and is not "Semitic" or religious at all, (does not practice Judaism) --- what makes him "Jewish?"

A gene?

That is absurd. Genes have nothing to do with religion.


1. Because Ashkenazi Jews practice Judaism. That is why they are
called Ashkenazi Jews.

laugh

2. It is crazy to expect that people who have the same religion
would get married and have kids who also practice the same religion
with their family. That is just crazy talk!?!

laugh

Why would people with the same religion be related? It's unfathomable.



--->.1. Because Ashkenazi Jews practice Judaism. That is why they are
called Ashkenazi Jews.<-----

NOT TRUE

An Ashkenazi European is not always a "Jew." Some of them claim to be by birth, even when they do not practice Judaism.

Those are the impostors.

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Fri 12/14/12 12:36 AM



Here is something to think about. This is basically what you are claiming:

Consider the case of a Caucasian Ashkenazi European who claims to be "Jewish" and is not "Semitic" or religious at all, (does not practice Judaism) --- what makes him "Jewish?"

A gene?

That is absurd. Genes have nothing to do with religion.


1. Because Ashkenazi Jews practice Judaism. That is why they are
called Ashkenazi Jews.

laugh

2. It is crazy to expect that people who have the same religion
would get married and have kids who also practice the same religion
with their family. That is just crazy talk!?!

laugh

Why would people with the same religion be related? It's unfathomable.



--->.1. Because Ashkenazi Jews practice Judaism. That is why they are
called Ashkenazi Jews.<-----

NOT TRUE

An Ashkenazi European is not always a "Jew." Some of them claim to be by birth, even when they do not practice Judaism.

Those are the impostors.
Still think you're smarter with your assumptions than those Genome-Investigators with their Research?laugh

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Fri 12/14/12 04:51 AM
Actually the term "Ashkenazi" comes from a Hebrew word and refers
only to Jews - see the website on basic judaism 101 where this
question level is rated "basic". Ashkenazis are one of three major
groups of Jews based on geography. The term was invented to describe
one of these groups of Jews and no one else. There is no such thing
as non-Jewish Ashkenazis. Ashkenazis, Sephardim and Mizrachi are
all Jews from different geographic areas who have slightly different
rituals. Other than that, they are all Jews who practice the
religion Judaism and whom the genetic studies clearly show are
related and originate from the Middle east.

When you speak of the Ashkenazi of Israel you are merely talking about Jews whose ancestors are from these areas. Meanwhile you are
confused about so-called secular Jews who are Jews from any of these
regions who just don't go to church everyday.

First of all, secular Jews are still Jews - still believe all the
central precepts of Judaism but are somewhat less observant.

It's like saying that Christians who don't go to church everyday are
not Christian even though they believe in Jesus, go to lengths to
follow his teachings but they only go to church on Christmas and
Easter or for various family events.

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It still begs the question - why do some here always try to find ways
to delegitimize some Jews and attack Israel?

I think this bias against Jews in particular and also with Israeli
Jews is the reason others are suspicious of the motivation especially
with the long history of unjust bias and lies disparaging Jews as a
form of genocidal religious hatred.

whoa
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Read the whole article on Ashkenazis here...
http://www.jewfaq.org/ashkseph.htm

Ashkenazic and Sephardic Jews
Ashkenazim v'Sepharadim (in Hebrew)

Level: Basic

• There are several subgroups of Jews with different culture and traditions:
Ashkenazic: Descendants of Jews from France, Germany and Eastern Europe
Sephardic: Descendants of Jews from Spain, Portugal, North Africa and the Middle East
Mizrachi: Descendants of Jews from North Africa and the Middle East
• Other subgroups are Yemenite, Ethiopian and Oriental

Ashkenazic and Sephardic Jews represent two distinct subcultures of Judaism. We are all Jews and share the same basic beliefs, but there are some variations in culture and practice. It's not clear when the split began, but it has existed for more than a thousand years, because around the year 1000 C.E., Rabbi Gershom ben Judah issued an edict against polygamy that was accepted by Ashkenazim but not by Sephardim.
Who are Ashkenazic Jews?

Ashkenazic Jews are the Jews of France, Germany, and Eastern Europe and their descendants. The adjective "Ashkenazic" and corresponding nouns, Ashkenazi (singular) and Ashkenazim (plural) are derived from the Hebrew word "Ashkenaz," which is used to refer to Germany. Most American Jews today are Ashkenazim, descended from Jews who emigrated from Germany and Eastern Europe from the mid 1800s to the early 1900s. The pages in this site are written from the Ashkenazic Jewish perspective.

=-=-=-=

or, read the Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews

Ashkenazi Jews, also known as Ashkenazic Jews or Ashkenazim (Hebrew: אַשְׁכְּנַזִּים, Ashkenazi Hebrew pronunciation: [ˌaʃkəˈnazim], singular: [ˌaʃkəˈnazi], Modern Hebrew: [aʃkenaˈzim], [aʃkenaˈzi]; also יְהוּדֵי אַשְׁכֲּנַז Y'hudey Ashkenaz, "The Jews of Ashkenaz"), are an ethnoreligious group who trace their origins to the indigenous Hebrew speaking peoples of Canaan in South Western Asia, and settled along the Rhine in Germany from Alsace in the south to the Rhineland in the north, probably during the early Middle Ages.[5]

The name Ashkenazi derives from the biblical figure of Ashkenaz, the first son of Gomer, and a Japhetic patriarch in the Table of Nations (Genesis 10). In the rabbinic literature, the kingdom of Ashkenaz was first associated with the Scythian region, then later with the Slavic territories,[6] and, from the 11th century onwards, with northern Europe and Germany.[7] The Jews living in these regions associated with Ashkenaz's kingdom thus came to call themselves the Ashkenazi.[7] Later, Jews from Western and Central Europe also came to be called Ashkenazi because the main centers of Jewish learning were located in Germany.

Many Ashkenazi Jews later migrated, largely eastward, forming communities in non German-speaking areas, including Bohemia, Hungary, Poland, Belarus, Lithuania, Russia, Ukraine, Romania, and elsewhere between the 11th and 19th centuries. With them, they took and diversified Yiddish, a High German language written using the Hebrew alphabet. It had developed in medieval times as the lingua franca among Ashkenazi Jews. The Jewish communities of three cities along the Rhine: Speyer, Worms and Mainz, created the SHUM league (SHUM after the first Hebrew letters of Shpira, Vermayza, and Magentza). The ShUM-cities are considered the cradle of the distinct Ashkenazi culture and liturgy.

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Fri 12/14/12 08:24 AM
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Even your genome report states that you can't tell what a person's religion is by their genes.

The problem with the term "Jewish" is that it claims to mean religion and a group of people supposedly all related.

The only reason for the study is a poor attempt to claim that Jews who were born elsewhere have a right to invade a land and claim it.

Its absurd.