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16 an hour is nothing good luck building a life on that.
 In what part of the world?
I would call 16.00$ an hour upper lower class in this day and age. Would be good money for recent high school graduate (my son started at 14.00 an hour but after joining the union is at 18.00 and some change. No way can a man build a life for his family on 16.00 at least not in Ohio. I think that wage would qualify a family of four for food stamps |
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16 an hour is nothing good luck building a life on that.
In what part of the world?
I would call 16.00$ an hour upper lower class in this day and age. Would be good money for recent high school graduate (my son started at 14.00 an hour but after joining the union is at 18.00 and some change. No way can a man build a life for his family on 16.00 at least not in Ohio. I think that wage would qualify a family of four for food stamps Well, here in Los Angeles $50 an hour BARELY and I mean BARELY makes ends meet. But one fact is that the middle class work hard for what poor people want handed to them. Imagine my shock watching some fat black woman from Louisiana crying about how bad FEMA was being to her telling her she had to leave government assisted (FEMA) housing two years after Katrina and in the background was two additionally fat black youths playing PS3 on a flat screen bigger than the one I have now! In the same interview of the "Neighborhood" that was all FEMA assisted housing I seen a LOT of Cadillacs and a couple Benzs'. What were these people doing with their aid money? There is something WRONG with POOR PEOPLE BEING FAT! BLACK, WHITE, OR ANY OTHER COLOR! If that person is fat they are not poor. They sure can afford to feed themselves pretty well! Who is kidding who? You want to fix the problem get politicians like Obama the hell out of office! He is a two faced snake. Likewise since when did Unions speak for all of us? FACT IS THEY DON'T! Another fact, if you have a low wage job either shut up and put up with it or get a better job! That is what training is. It takes applying yourself to get ahead. I a struggle like hell and I am still working on putting a business of my own together. I sure could use a hand up but not a hand out. But the fact is I am doing something for myself. I am not depending on Obama or anyone else like Ronald Regan's second coming to save me. A poor person sits on the sinking ship expecting someone to pull up along side of the sinking ship to save them even if it compromises the safety of the rescue vessel because they are too scared to get themselves wet swimming to the life boat! Worst is a poor person is the first to run in a bad situation right before the rich start to bail out! We are loosing the middle class to the poor expecting handouts and politicians giving them entitlements. At this rate I hope your boy still has daddy's former job to look foreword too by the end of four years! |
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I made a funny,
The second coming of Ronald Regan... 
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Edited by
boredinaz06
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Sun 11/18/12 03:22 PM
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Union's need to disappear! Along with the eight hour day, health care, vacations, and safe working environments too I suppose? All that should be regulated at the state level, get the unions out of the picture and new car won't cost $35k! |
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Union's need to disappear! Along with the eight hour day, health care, vacations, and safe working environments too I suppose? so what does that have to do with the unions disappearing? Obviously you have forgotten about the fights of the labor unions during the days of the great robber barons when people worked twelve hour days, and six day weeks, in dangerous working conditions, while people like Carnigie, Morgan, and Rockafeller made millions and lived in life styles Louie the fourteenth would have been envious of. that was then, this is now... there is no need for unions nowadays, the government is big enough to see to any of the problems you seem to be scared of |
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16 an hour is nothing good luck building a life on that.
In what part of the world?
I would call 16.00$ an hour upper lower class in this day and age. Would be good money for recent high school graduate (my son started at 14.00 an hour but after joining the union is at 18.00 and some change. No way can a man build a life for his family on 16.00 at least not in Ohio. I think that wage would qualify a family of four for food stamps If you wanna be middle class this day in age you need to go to college. |
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16 an hour is nothing good luck building a life on that.
In what part of the world?
I would call 16.00$ an hour upper lower class in this day and age. Would be good money for recent high school graduate (my son started at 14.00 an hour but after joining the union is at 18.00 and some change. No way can a man build a life for his family on 16.00 at least not in Ohio. I think that wage would qualify a family of four for food stamps If you wanna be middle class this day in age you need to go to college. 
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16 an hour is nothing good luck building a life on that.
In what part of the world?
I would call 16.00$ an hour upper lower class in this day and age. Would be good money for recent high school graduate (my son started at 14.00 an hour but after joining the union is at 18.00 and some change. No way can a man build a life for his family on 16.00 at least not in Ohio. I think that wage would qualify a family of four for food stamps Well, here in Los Angeles $50 an hour BARELY and I mean BARELY makes ends meet. But one fact is that the middle class work hard for what poor people want handed to them. Imagine my shock watching some fat black woman from Louisiana crying about how bad FEMA was being to her telling her she had to leave government assisted (FEMA) housing two years after Katrina and in the background was two additionally fat black youths playing PS3 on a flat screen bigger than the one I have now! In the same interview of the "Neighborhood" that was all FEMA assisted housing I seen a LOT of Cadillacs and a couple Benzs'. What were these people doing with their aid money? There is something WRONG with POOR PEOPLE BEING FAT! BLACK, WHITE, OR ANY OTHER COLOR! If that person is fat they are not poor. They sure can afford to feed themselves pretty well! Who is kidding who? You want to fix the problem get politicians like Obama the hell out of office! He is a two faced snake. Likewise since when did Unions speak for all of us? FACT IS THEY DON'T! Another fact, if you have a low wage job either shut up and put up with it or get a better job! That is what training is. It takes applying yourself to get ahead. I a struggle like hell and I am still working on putting a business of my own together. I sure could use a hand up but not a hand out. But the fact is I am doing something for myself. I am not depending on Obama or anyone else like Ronald Regan's second coming to save me. A poor person sits on the sinking ship expecting someone to pull up along side of the sinking ship to save them even if it compromises the safety of the rescue vessel because they are too scared to get themselves wet swimming to the life boat! Worst is a poor person is the first to run in a bad situation right before the rich start to bail out! We are loosing the middle class to the poor expecting handouts and politicians giving them entitlements. At this rate I hope your boy still has daddy's former job to look foreword too by the end of four years! |
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The Parasite That Kills Its Hostess http://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2012/11/19/the_parasite_that_kills_its_hostess_99995.html |
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I wonder why the malcontents don't just start their own businesses?
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Working or not, at the end of the day, the folks running the Unions will get paid.
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Edited by
AndyBgood
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Mon 11/19/12 08:50 AM
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16 an hour is nothing good luck building a life on that.
In what part of the world?
I would call 16.00$ an hour upper lower class in this day and age. Would be good money for recent high school graduate (my son started at 14.00 an hour but after joining the union is at 18.00 and some change. No way can a man build a life for his family on 16.00 at least not in Ohio. I think that wage would qualify a family of four for food stamps Well, here in Los Angeles $50 an hour BARELY and I mean BARELY makes ends meet. But one fact is that the middle class work hard for what poor people want handed to them. Imagine my shock watching some fat black woman from Louisiana crying about how bad FEMA was being to her telling her she had to leave government assisted (FEMA) housing two years after Katrina and in the background was two additionally fat black youths playing PS3 on a flat screen bigger than the one I have now! In the same interview of the "Neighborhood" that was all FEMA assisted housing I seen a LOT of Cadillacs and a couple Benzs'. What were these people doing with their aid money? There is something WRONG with POOR PEOPLE BEING FAT! BLACK, WHITE, OR ANY OTHER COLOR! If that person is fat they are not poor. They sure can afford to feed themselves pretty well! Who is kidding who? You want to fix the problem get politicians like Obama the hell out of office! He is a two faced snake. Likewise since when did Unions speak for all of us? FACT IS THEY DON'T! Another fact, if you have a low wage job either shut up and put up with it or get a better job! That is what training is. It takes applying yourself to get ahead. I a struggle like hell and I am still working on putting a business of my own together. I sure could use a hand up but not a hand out. But the fact is I am doing something for myself. I am not depending on Obama or anyone else like Ronald Regan's second coming to save me. A poor person sits on the sinking ship expecting someone to pull up along side of the sinking ship to save them even if it compromises the safety of the rescue vessel because they are too scared to get themselves wet swimming to the life boat! Worst is a poor person is the first to run in a bad situation right before the rich start to bail out! We are loosing the middle class to the poor expecting handouts and politicians giving them entitlements. At this rate I hope your boy still has daddy's former job to look foreword too by the end of four years! How about a welcome to the real world. I pay for my medical care. I do so out of pocket. When I get sick I treat myself unless it is something beyond my own power to administer too. I don't go running to the doctor every time I get the sniffles like most other people. My plan since I am starting a new business is to build MY OWN RETIREMENT. My plan ALWAYS was: make enough money to be comfortable and dig in hard and deep so my retirement is rest assured. Originally my plan was based on mutualism but that NEVER panned out. The other guy ALWAYS wanted more than me or the others in any collective effort. Likewise any thought of having a woman by my side helping me have been tossed in the trash can. The closer I get to solvency alone the more Monogamy becomes another kind of wood! So my plan is this: FUQQ SOCIAL INSECURITY! Get rich or DIE TRYING and SHARE NOTHING WITH THE UNDESERVING! Welcome to the real world! No my friend, this world is full of people like yourself so entrenched in your beliefs you fail to see the others behind you parroting your own beliefs expecting people like me to GIVE THEM SOMETHING FOR NOTHING! |
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Mr Conrad. Your posts are always a great reminder of why the right wing ideology is bankrupt. Thanks  
I rose early today to tackle some projects the coffee pot is dry and I am ready to roll. Have a great day old buddy. 
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Just for the record, the AP reports the following:
Management missteps were another problem. Hostess came under fire this spring after it was revealed that nearly a dozen executives received pay hikes of up to 80 percent last year even as the company was struggling.
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I like Hostess Sno Balls!
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Just for the record, the AP reports the following: Management missteps were another problem. Hostess came under fire this spring after it was revealed that nearly a dozen executives received pay hikes of up to 80 percent last year even as the company was struggling.
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^^^Why do I feel the above picture fits so well?^^^
Is this the face of Liberal America that the REAL world doesn't conform to their ideals? Up and to the left... |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Mon 11/19/12 02:26 PM
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Today, Hostess Brands inc. — the company famed for its sickly sweet desert snacks like Twinkies and Sno Balls — announced they’d be shuttering after more than eighty years of production. But while headlines have been quick to blame unions for the downfall of the company there’s actually more to the story: While the company was filing for bankruptcy, for the second time, earlier this year, it actually tripled its CEO’s pay, and increased other executives’ compensation by as much as 80 percent. At the time, creditors warned that the decision signaled an attempt to “sidestep” bankruptcy rules, potentially as a means for trying to keep the executive at a failing company. The Confectionery, Tobacco Workers & Grain Millers International Union pointed this out in their written reaction to the news that the business is closing: BCTGM members are well aware that as the company was preparing to file for bankruptcy earlier this year, the then CEO of Hostess was awarded a 300 percent raise (from approximately $750,000 to $2,550,000) and at least nine other top executives of the company received massive pay raises. One such executive received a pay increase from $500,000 to $900,000 and another received one taking his salary from $375,000 to $656,256. Certainly, the company agreed to an out-sized pension debt, but the decision to pay executives more while scorning employee contracts during a bankruptcy reflects a lack of good managerial judgement. It also follows a trend of rising CEO pay in times of economic difficulty. At the manufacturing company Caterpillar, for example, they froze workers’ pay while boosting their CEO’s pay to $17 million. And at Citigroup, CEO Vikram Pandit received $6.7 million for crashing his company, walking off with $260 million after the business lost 88 percent of its value. http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/11/16/1203151/why-unions-dont-shoulder-the-blame-for-hostesss-downfall/?mobile=nc That is clearly evidence that the company was full of corruption and the top executives just wanted to take as much money as possible before it went under. Greedy thieves. Then they try to blame it on the Unions. Or the employees for not returning to work. |
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^^^Why do I feel the above picture fits so well?^^^ Is this the face of Liberal America that the REAL world doesn't conform to their ideals? Up and to the left... People can claim " OH I don't get sick" but here is a news flash...... We all get sick and die so who is going to pay that bill when your in a hospital with an end of life issue? |
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Today, Hostess Brands inc. — the company famed for its sickly sweet desert snacks like Twinkies and Sno Balls — announced they’d be shuttering after more than eighty years of production. But while headlines have been quick to blame unions for the downfall of the company there’s actually more to the story: While the company was filing for bankruptcy, for the second time, earlier this year, it actually tripled its CEO’s pay, and increased other executives’ compensation by as much as 80 percent. At the time, creditors warned that the decision signaled an attempt to “sidestep” bankruptcy rules, potentially as a means for trying to keep the executive at a failing company. The Confectionery, Tobacco Workers & Grain Millers International Union pointed this out in their written reaction to the news that the business is closing: BCTGM members are well aware that as the company was preparing to file for bankruptcy earlier this year, the then CEO of Hostess was awarded a 300 percent raise (from approximately $750,000 to $2,550,000) and at least nine other top executives of the company received massive pay raises. One such executive received a pay increase from $500,000 to $900,000 and another received one taking his salary from $375,000 to $656,256. Certainly, the company agreed to an out-sized pension debt, but the decision to pay executives more while scorning employee contracts during a bankruptcy reflects a lack of good managerial judgement. It also follows a trend of rising CEO pay in times of economic difficulty. At the manufacturing company Caterpillar, for example, they froze workers’ pay while boosting their CEO’s pay to $17 million. And at Citigroup, CEO Vikram Pandit received $6.7 million for crashing his company, walking off with $260 million after the business lost 88 percent of its value. http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/11/16/1203151/why-unions-dont-shoulder-the-blame-for-hostesss-downfall/?mobile=nc That is clearly evidence that the company was full of corruption and the top executives just wanted to take as much money as possible before it went under. Greedy thieves. Then they try to blame it on the Unions. Or the employees for not returning to work.  
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