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Fri 11/16/12 11:52 AM
the west have threaten to cut aid to african countries which refuses to respect gay rights..is this a right move?to no but this does not mean i have a problem with gays all i think is that the west should try to think of the african culture and their believes.

metalwing's photo
Fri 11/16/12 11:53 AM
Who is the west?

Tono700's photo
Fri 11/16/12 11:56 AM
united kingdom united states just to mention few.

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Fri 11/16/12 11:59 AM
It's Certainly not a good reason to cut off aid.IMO

To be blunt and politically incorrect...
Haven't African countries received enough aid?

Everytime the African warmongers get aid, they buy weapons.... ENOUGH!!!!!mad

Tono700's photo
Fri 11/16/12 12:04 PM
yes i agree with you buddyy we have enough to resources to take care of our problems but the westen nations should use a reasonable point to cut aid not on gay rights.cheers

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Fri 11/16/12 12:08 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 11/16/12 12:08 PM

yes i agree with you buddyy we have enough to resources to take care of our problems but the westen nations should use a reasonable point to cut aid not on gay rights.cheers



That must be coming from the religious communities. The government does not use those kinds of excuses. They give money away indiscriminately usually. Churches who claim to give aid and help have an agenda to preach their morals, governments don't.

I have not actually heard that news tidbit. Where does it come from?

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Fri 11/16/12 12:10 PM

yes i agree with you buddyy we have enough to resources to take care of our problems but the westen nations should use a reasonable point to cut aid not on gay rights.cheers


:thumbsup: Agreed!


I'd rather send you 1000 bulldozers to mine your resources than to send 1$ in aid...

PS: It's cool... You'll owe us! smokin

Kahurangi's photo
Fri 11/16/12 12:10 PM
Wellllll...better start running a few raffles then hadn't you?

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Fri 11/16/12 12:11 PM

the west have threaten to cut aid to african countries which refuses to respect gay rights..is this a right move?to no but this does not mean i have a problem with gays all i think is that the west should try to think of the african culture and their believes.


Id have to read the actual proposal to say for certain

I think it would depend uponwhat is considered 'respecting gay rights'

if it means allow same sex marriage, I Dont think its the business of our government to dictate those guidelines to other cultures


if it means protecting the LIFE of homosexuals or not permitting the literal killng or persecution of those indviduals because f their ifestyle choice

than Id say it is rarely WRONG to try and step in to save lives,,,,

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Fri 11/16/12 12:16 PM
Edited by Tono700 on Fri 11/16/12 12:19 PM


yes i agree with you buddyy we have enough to resources to take care of our problems but the westen nations should use a reasonable point to cut aid not on gay rights.cheers



That must be coming from the religious communities. The government does not use those kinds of excuses. They give money away indiscriminately usually. Churches who claim to give aid and help have an agenda to preach their morals, governments don't.

I have not actually heard that news tidbit. Where does it come from?
this is on bbc.com this even old news october 2011. But this to my notice after reading a news item on new gay laws in uganda.

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Fri 11/16/12 12:20 PM
The OP fails to deliver the real details...


The new "Kill the gays" law in Uganda is probably the most disturbing law in recent history... The government called it an early Christmas present to Ugandans mad

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Fri 11/16/12 12:22 PM

The OP fails to deliver the real details...


The new "Kill the gays" law in Uganda is probably the most disturbing law in recent history... The government called it an early Christmas present to Ugandans mad



They'll use any excuse to kill people in some countries.

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Fri 11/16/12 12:23 PM


yes i agree with you buddyy we have enough to resources to take care of our problems but the westen nations should use a reasonable point to cut aid not on gay rights.cheers


:thumbsup: Agreed!


I'd rather send you 1000 bulldozers to mine your resources than to send 1$ in aid...

PS: It's cool... You'll owe us! smokin
your grandpa owe us some bars of gold and stones lol.cheeeeeeeeers.

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Fri 11/16/12 12:47 PM
so we are supposed to help you oppress some one because they are gay?? that's not how it works.. you are already getting a hand out because you're culture is so corrupt...

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Fri 11/16/12 12:50 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 11/16/12 12:50 PM

so we are supposed to help you oppress some one because they are gay?? that's not how it works.. you are already getting a hand out because you're culture is so corrupt...


laugh laugh

Chicago is not corrupt? America is not corrupt? Sort of like calling the kettle black... the whole world is corrupt.

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Fri 11/16/12 12:53 PM
Edited by jake978 on Fri 11/16/12 12:54 PM
yes compare an apple to an orange I'll take America's corruption over Africa's thanks

msharmony's photo
Fri 11/16/12 01:04 PM

so we are supposed to help you oppress some one because they are gay?? that's not how it works.. you are already getting a hand out because you're culture is so corrupt...



its not so simple mainly because aid doenst just 'help' oppressors it goes to help the oppressed as well

and we give much more to the middle east , which is no less guilty of 'oppressive' policies,,,

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Fri 11/16/12 01:38 PM
Oppressive??? I'm not sure this qualifies as "oppressive".


They are calling for a law that makes it legal to
exterminate by murder based on sexual orientation...


Oppressive? my arse!


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Fri 11/16/12 01:59 PM
Bringing this into perspective:


Lawmaker wants anti-gay law as 'Christmas gift' to Ugandans

By Elias Biryabarema, Reuters November 14, 2012 11:10am



KAMPALA - Uganda's parliamentary speaker said she wanted to pass as a "Christmas gift" for Ugandans an anti-gay law, which rights groups have criticized for its draconian penalties against homosexuals.

The bill had initially proposed the death penalty for gays in the conservative east African country but still presents an array of jail terms for convicted homosexuals, including life imprisonment in certain circumstances.

Denounced as "odious" by U.S. President Barack Obama, the bill has left veteran President Yoweri Museveni struggling to balance the demands of the evangelical church on one side and aid donors on the other.

Some international donors have threatened to cut aid if the legislation, which is now before a parliamentary committee and was first introduced in parliament in 2009, becomes law.

"Ugandans want that law as a Christmas gift. They have asked for it and we'll give them that gift," parliament speaker Rebecca Kadaga told Reuters on Tuesday.

As House speaker Kadaga can ask the committee to expedite scrutiny of a bill in order to bring it back to the House for final debate and voting.

Existing legislation already outlaws gay sex. The new bill prohibits the "promotion" of gay rights and punishes anyone who "funds or sponsors homosexuality" or "abets homosexuality".

Kadaga said it was still possible to pass the bill this year although there was little time remaining before the House went on recess for Christmas holidays.

"It's very, very possible, we can do it," Kadaga said.

Homosexuality is taboo in many African nations. It is illegal in 37 countries on the continent, including Uganda, and activists say few Africans are openly gay, fearing imprisonment, violence and loss of jobs.

International condemnation

Last month Uganda's leading daily newspaper, Daily Monitor, reported a spat in Canada between Kadaga and Canada's foreign minister over Uganda's harassment of gay people.

"If homosexuality is a value for the people of Canada they should not seek to force Uganda to embrace it. We are not a colony or a protectorate of Canada," the paper quoted Kadaga as saying.

Her comments drew support among some Ugandans on Twitter and Facebook and upon returning from Canada she received a rapturous welcome at Entebbe, Uganda's main international airport.

Clare Byarugaba, coordinator for Civil Society Coalition on Human Rights and Constitutional Law (CSCHRCL), said the group would petition the constitutional court to declare the draft legislation unconstitutional.

"The international community supports us and we also believe in the constitution of our country which protects the rights and freedoms of everyone," she said.

"And we'll petition it (constitutional court) and we strongly believe the law will be on our side," she said.

International activist group Avaaz condemned the decision.

"Sentencing people to life in prison for love is not a "Christmas gift", it's a sickening violation of human rights," campaign director Emma Ruby-Sachs said in a statement.

In August gay rights activists hacked several Ugandan government websites to denounce what they regard as harassment of homosexuals in the east African country.

The country also banned 38 NGOs in July it accused of promoting homosexuality and recruiting children into homosexuality.
Reuters







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Fri 11/16/12 02:08 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 11/16/12 02:09 PM
Wow. I find it astonishing that Africa is that backwards that they would persecute gays with a law and imprisonment.

For that reason alone, I would support no more aid to such a country.

Asking a country to let people be who they are without making it a crime, is not asking them to "embrace" homosexuality.

Just don't persecute gays. geeeze... you people who support that law are animals.


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