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Topic: Obamacare vs. Jobs
Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Sat 11/10/12 08:19 AM
One can be sure the "investing class" is well vested in our insurance programs they get a return both ways by screwing over we lucky employees who have insurance with ever increasing premiums and deductibles and getting an ever rising return on their investments in pharmaceuticals and for profit medical system. This nation is ranked 23rd in terms of care by the world health organization and ranked number one in cost. Go figure.

TJN Joined Sun 12/02/07 Posts: 6745	Sat 11/10/12 08:19 AM
not a political point, but an observation, how interesting it is that unemployment rates can be such a misrepresentation of actual job loss or growth,,, oh well, by either standard, the numbers are moving back in the right direction I'd be willing to bet the numbers are going to start going back up.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 11/10/12 08:20 AM
not a political point, but an observation, how interesting it is that unemployment rates can be such a misrepresentation of actual job loss or growth,,, oh well, by either standard, the numbers are moving back in the right direction I'd be willing to bet the numbers are going to start going back up. we will see,, how congress reacts to the presidents win and how much they do or dont do to affect those numbers,,,

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Sat 11/10/12 08:32 AM
Don't forget to mention the implications in the Obamacare program that states that every American will be forced to have a micro-chip implanted by a certain time....and if you don't comply it will put you out of work. http://www.dailypaul.com/223261/obamacare-mandates-rfid-chips-to-be-implanted-in-all-americans-by-march-23rd-2013 I'm sorry, but I refuse these terms. I will not be forced to take on these terms that I do not agree with. Forced to have a micro-chip implanted? That's utter bull crap. Its also insane

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Sat 11/10/12 08:40 AM
One can be sure the "investing class" is well vested in our insurance programs they get a return both ways by screwing over we lucky employees who have insurance with ever increasing premiums and deductibles and getting an ever rising return on their investments in pharmaceuticals and for profit medical system. This nation is ranked 23rd in terms of care by the world health organization and ranked number one in cost. Go figure. don't need to figure! Will be 123rd with the Implementation of that Travesty called Obamacare! How come POTUS,Senate and House are exempted from it? They sure sold the American People a Trojan Horse! Well,YOU HAVE TO VOTE FOR IT;IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS IN IT! The Chairman of the Committee didn't even know!

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Sat 11/10/12 08:50 AM
One can be sure the "investing class" is well vested in our insurance programs they get a return both ways by screwing over we lucky employees who have insurance with ever increasing premiums and deductibles and getting an ever rising return on their investments in pharmaceuticals and for profit medical system. This nation is ranked 23rd in terms of care by the world health organization and ranked number one in cost. Go figure. don't need to figure! Will be 123rd with the Implementation of that Travesty called Obamacare! How come POTUS,Senate and House are exempted from it? They sure sold the American People a Trojan Horse! Well,YOU HAVE TO VOTE FOR IT;IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS IN IT! The Chairman of the Committee didn't even know! As they did not know what was in the Patriot act and we suffer under it as well. Of course we are being screwed Mr Conrad. The 1% own the politicians and the media that forms our opinions. What we have is a start in the right direction and people should be encouraged to discuss ideas and not be mocked by others. I still am rather amazed a man from Zurich takes such an interest in American politics.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Sat 11/10/12 09:02 AM
One can be sure the "investing class" is well vested in our insurance programs they get a return both ways by screwing over we lucky employees who have insurance with ever increasing premiums and deductibles and getting an ever rising return on their investments in pharmaceuticals and for profit medical system. This nation is ranked 23rd in terms of care by the world health organization and ranked number one in cost. Go figure. don't need to figure! Will be 123rd with the Implementation of that Travesty called Obamacare! How come POTUS,Senate and House are exempted from it? They sure sold the American People a Trojan Horse! Well,YOU HAVE TO VOTE FOR IT;IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS IN IT! The Chairman of the Committee didn't even know! As they did not know what was in the Patriot act and we suffer under it as well. Of course we are being screwed Mr Conrad. The 1% own the politicians and the media that forms our opinions. What we have is a start in the right direction and people should be encouraged to discuss ideas and not be mocked by others. I still am rather amazed a man from Zurich takes such an interest in American politics. Keep being amazed! Hope you bunched the Union-Bosses into that 1%! Hope you'll love your All-Union United States of America! Last Experiment like that came to a sorry end in 1991!

TJN Joined Sun 12/02/07 Posts: 6745	Sat 11/10/12 09:04 AM
One can be sure the "investing class" is well vested in our insurance programs they get a return both ways by screwing over we lucky employees who have insurance with ever increasing premiums and deductibles and getting an ever rising return on their investments in pharmaceuticals and for profit medical system. This nation is ranked 23rd in terms of care by the world health organization and ranked number one in cost. Go figure. don't need to figure! Will be 123rd with the Implementation of that Travesty called Obamacare! How come POTUS,Senate and House are exempted from it? They sure sold the American People a Trojan Horse! Well,YOU HAVE TO VOTE FOR IT;IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS IN IT! The Chairman of the Committee didn't even know! As they did not know what was in the Patriot act and we suffer under it as well. Of course we are being screwed Mr Conrad. The 1% own the politicians and the media that forms our opinions. What we have is a start in the right direction and people should be encouraged to discuss ideas and not be mocked by others. I still am rather amazed a man from Zurich takes such an interest in American politics. Then why keep voting for the 1% and media choices?

TJN Joined Sun 12/02/07 Posts: 6745	Sat 11/10/12 09:06 AM
One can be sure the "investing class" is well vested in our insurance programs they get a return both ways by screwing over we lucky employees who have insurance with ever increasing premiums and deductibles and getting an ever rising return on their investments in pharmaceuticals and for profit medical system. This nation is ranked 23rd in terms of care by the world health organization and ranked number one in cost. Go figure. don't need to figure! Will be 123rd with the Implementation of that Travesty called Obamacare! How come POTUS,Senate and House are exempted from it? They sure sold the American People a Trojan Horse! Well,YOU HAVE TO VOTE FOR IT;IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS IN IT! The Chairman of the Committee didn't even know! As they did not know what was in the Patriot act and we suffer under it as well. Of course we are being screwed Mr Conrad. The 1% own the politicians and the media that forms our opinions. What we have is a start in the right direction and people should be encouraged to discuss ideas and not be mocked by others. I still am rather amazed a man from Zurich takes such an interest in American politics. Keep being amazed! Hope you bunched the Union-Bosses into that 1%! Hope you'll love your All-Union United States of America! Last Experiment like that came to a sorry end in 1991! Please stop bringing history into this. We like trying the same thing over again hoping for a different outcome <sarcasm off>

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Sat 11/10/12 09:12 AM
One can be sure the "investing class" is well vested in our insurance programs they get a return both ways by screwing over we lucky employees who have insurance with ever increasing premiums and deductibles and getting an ever rising return on their investments in pharmaceuticals and for profit medical system. This nation is ranked 23rd in terms of care by the world health organization and ranked number one in cost. Go figure. don't need to figure! Will be 123rd with the Implementation of that Travesty called Obamacare! How come POTUS,Senate and House are exempted from it? They sure sold the American People a Trojan Horse! Well,YOU HAVE TO VOTE FOR IT;IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS IN IT! The Chairman of the Committee didn't even know! As they did not know what was in the Patriot act and we suffer under it as well. Of course we are being screwed Mr Conrad. The 1% own the politicians and the media that forms our opinions. What we have is a start in the right direction and people should be encouraged to discuss ideas and not be mocked by others. I still am rather amazed a man from Zurich takes such an interest in American politics. Keep being amazed! Hope you bunched the Union-Bosses into that 1%! Hope you'll love your All-Union United States of America! Last Experiment like that came to a sorry end in 1991! I have been a union man for 20 years now and have no regrets. My son turned 19 today and is also a union (is he a man yet?) it his birthday today and as always I am off to yet another party we are going to my moms to rake leaves and have some food and cake and ice cream a nice family day. Anyhow at 19 my son has insurance, a good job drives a ford mustang has a cheerleader/gymnast girlfriend and is well on his way to living the American dream. The America I know that is worth defending does not have its people work for peanuts and deny healthcare, that is the America we would have if the republicans can gain control of this country. The 1% offshore jobs and their income refusing to support the system that has been so good to them. In your country Mr Conrad how are your healthcare issue tended to? I am curious to know how its paid for who pays for it and what not.

Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Sat 11/10/12 10:14 AM
One can be sure the "investing class" is well vested in our insurance programs they get a return both ways by screwing over we lucky employees who have insurance with ever increasing premiums and deductibles and getting an ever rising return on their investments in pharmaceuticals and for profit medical system. This nation is ranked 23rd in terms of care by the world health organization and ranked number one in cost. Go figure. don't need to figure! Will be 123rd with the Implementation of that Travesty called Obamacare! How come POTUS,Senate and House are exempted from it? They sure sold the American People a Trojan Horse! Well,YOU HAVE TO VOTE FOR IT;IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS IN IT! The Chairman of the Committee didn't even know! As they did not know what was in the Patriot act and we suffer under it as well. Of course we are being screwed Mr Conrad. The 1% own the politicians and the media that forms our opinions. What we have is a start in the right direction and people should be encouraged to discuss ideas and not be mocked by others. I still am rather amazed a man from Zurich takes such an interest in American politics. Keep being amazed! Hope you bunched the Union-Bosses into that 1%! Hope you'll love your All-Union United States of America! Last Experiment like that came to a sorry end in 1991! I have been a union man for 20 years now and have no regrets. My son turned 19 today and is also a union (is he a man yet?) it his birthday today and as always I am off to yet another party we are going to my moms to rake leaves and have some food and cake and ice cream a nice family day. Anyhow at 19 my son has insurance, a good job drives a ford mustang has a cheerleader/gymnast girlfriend and is well on his way to living the American dream. The America I know that is worth defending does not have its people work for peanuts and deny healthcare, that is the America we would have if the republicans can gain control of this country. The 1% offshore jobs and their income refusing to support the system that has been so good to them. In your country Mr Conrad how are your healthcare issue tended to? I am curious to know how its paid for who pays for it and what not. I much prefer being a non union man. I have insurance, would have a mustang or camero if I didn't live in a snowy area, a $1200+ month apartment and cash to burn. I have all this not because I need someone to fight to get it for me but because people actually want to win my employment. That's why I can tell them to raise my job offer by 10% if they want me. I just hope your son realizes that it is quite possible his line of work starts to disappear in his lifetime. Just like how many manufacturing workers were replaced by robotic assembly lines. Robotics and alternate fuel is on the rise. Tesla motors is planning to build quick recharge stations for electric cars all across the US in 2013 and I am sure many more to come in the coming years. It is something to think about and discuss with him for his sake. You know his job area and yes he has a good job now but will he still be valuable if things change?

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Sat 11/10/12 10:16 AM
One can be sure the "investing class" is well vested in our insurance programs they get a return both ways by screwing over we lucky employees who have insurance with ever increasing premiums and deductibles and getting an ever rising return on their investments in pharmaceuticals and for profit medical system. This nation is ranked 23rd in terms of care by the world health organization and ranked number one in cost. Go figure. don't need to figure! Will be 123rd with the Implementation of that Travesty called Obamacare! How come POTUS,Senate and House are exempted from it? They sure sold the American People a Trojan Horse! Well,YOU HAVE TO VOTE FOR IT;IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS IN IT! The Chairman of the Committee didn't even know! As they did not know what was in the Patriot act and we suffer under it as well. Of course we are being screwed Mr Conrad. The 1% own the politicians and the media that forms our opinions. What we have is a start in the right direction and people should be encouraged to discuss ideas and not be mocked by others. I still am rather amazed a man from Zurich takes such an interest in American politics. for me to know and for you to find out! http://mises.org/daily/5773/In-Praise-of-the-Capitalist-1-Percent The protesters in the Occupy Wall Street movement and its numerous clones elsewhere in the country and around the world chant that 1 percent of the population owns all the wealth and lives at the expense of the remaining 99 percent. The obvious solution that they imply is for the 99 percent to seize the wealth of the 1 percent and use it for their benefit rather than allowing it to continue to be used for the benefit of the 1 percent, who are allegedly undeserving greedy capitalist exploiters. In other words, the implicit program of the protesters is that of socialism and the redistribution of wealth. Putting aside the hyperbole in the movement's claim, it is true that a relatively small minority of people does own the far greater part of the wealth of the country. The figures "1 percent" and "99 percent," however exaggerated, serve to place that fact in the strongest possible light. What the protesters do not realize is that the wealth of the 1 percent provides the standard of living of the 99 percent. The protesters have no awareness of this, because they see the world through an intellectual lens that is inappropriate to life under capitalism and its market economy. They see a world, still present in some places, and present everywhere a few centuries ago, of self-sufficient farm families, each producing for its own consumption and having no essential connection to markets. In such a world, if one sees a farmer's field, or his barn, or plow, or draft animals, and asks who do these means of production serve, the answer is the farmer and his family, and no one else. In such a world, apart from the receipt of occasional charity from the owners, those who are not owners of means of production cannot benefit from means of production unless and until they themselves somehow become owners of means of production. They cannot benefit from other people's means of production except by inheriting them or by seizing them. In the world of the protesters, means of production have the same essential status as consumers' goods, which as a rule are of benefit only to their owners. It is because of this that those who share the mentality of the protesters typically depict capitalists as fat men, whose plates are heaped high with food, while the masses of wage earners must live near starvation. According to this mentality, the redistribution of wealth is a matter merely of taking from the overflowing plates of the capitalists and giving to the starving workers. The Looter's Mentality!

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Sat 11/10/12 01:20 PM
One can be sure the "investing class" is well vested in our insurance programs they get a return both ways by screwing over we lucky employees who have insurance with ever increasing premiums and deductibles and getting an ever rising return on their investments in pharmaceuticals and for profit medical system. This nation is ranked 23rd in terms of care by the world health organization and ranked number one in cost. Go figure. don't need to figure! Will be 123rd with the Implementation of that Travesty called Obamacare! How come POTUS,Senate and House are exempted from it? They sure sold the American People a Trojan Horse! Well,YOU HAVE TO VOTE FOR IT;IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS IN IT! The Chairman of the Committee didn't even know! As they did not know what was in the Patriot act and we suffer under it as well. Of course we are being screwed Mr Conrad. The 1% own the politicians and the media that forms our opinions. What we have is a start in the right direction and people should be encouraged to discuss ideas and not be mocked by others. I still am rather amazed a man from Zurich takes such an interest in American politics. Keep being amazed! Hope you bunched the Union-Bosses into that 1%! Hope you'll love your All-Union United States of America! Last Experiment like that came to a sorry end in 1991! I have been a union man for 20 years now and have no regrets. My son turned 19 today and is also a union (is he a man yet?) it his birthday today and as always I am off to yet another party we are going to my moms to rake leaves and have some food and cake and ice cream a nice family day. Anyhow at 19 my son has insurance, a good job drives a ford mustang has a cheerleader/gymnast girlfriend and is well on his way to living the American dream. The America I know that is worth defending does not have its people work for peanuts and deny healthcare, that is the America we would have if the republicans can gain control of this country. The 1% offshore jobs and their income refusing to support the system that has been so good to them. In your country Mr Conrad how are your healthcare issue tended to? I am curious to know how its paid for who pays for it and what not. I much prefer being a non union man. I have insurance, would have a mustang or camero if I didn't live in a snowy area, a $1200+ month apartment and cash to burn. I have all this not because I need someone to fight to get it for me but because people actually want to win my employment. That's why I can tell them to raise my job offer by 10% if they want me. I just hope your son realizes that it is quite possible his line of work starts to disappear in his lifetime. Just like how many manufacturing workers were replaced by robotic assembly lines. Robotics and alternate fuel is on the rise. Tesla motors is planning to build quick recharge stations for electric cars all across the US in 2013 and I am sure many more to come in the coming years. It is something to think about and discuss with him for his sake. You know his job area and yes he has a good job now but will he still be valuable if things change? I work with Fanuc robotics they feed my lathes, my son works with ABBs We do allot of robot tending. The robots do just about all the work.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Sat 11/10/12 02:37 PM Edited by Conrad_73 on Sat 11/10/12 02:43 PM
One can be sure the "investing class" is well vested in our insurance programs they get a return both ways by screwing over we lucky employees who have insurance with ever increasing premiums and deductibles and getting an ever rising return on their investments in pharmaceuticals and for profit medical system. This nation is ranked 23rd in terms of care by the world health organization and ranked number one in cost. Go figure. don't need to figure! Will be 123rd with the Implementation of that Travesty called Obamacare! How come POTUS,Senate and House are exempted from it? They sure sold the American People a Trojan Horse! Well,YOU HAVE TO VOTE FOR IT;IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS IN IT! The Chairman of the Committee didn't even know! As they did not know what was in the Patriot act and we suffer under it as well. Of course we are being screwed Mr Conrad. The 1% own the politicians and the media that forms our opinions. What we have is a start in the right direction and people should be encouraged to discuss ideas and not be mocked by others. I still am rather amazed a man from Zurich takes such an interest in American politics. Keep being amazed! Hope you bunched the Union-Bosses into that 1%! Hope you'll love your All-Union United States of America! Last Experiment like that came to a sorry end in 1991! I have been a union man for 20 years now and have no regrets. My son turned 19 today and is also a union (is he a man yet?) it his birthday today and as always I am off to yet another party we are going to my moms to rake leaves and have some food and cake and ice cream a nice family day. Anyhow at 19 my son has insurance, a good job drives a ford mustang has a cheerleader/gymnast girlfriend and is well on his way to living the American dream. The America I know that is worth defending does not have its people work for peanuts and deny healthcare, that is the America we would have if the republicans can gain control of this country. The 1% offshore jobs and their income refusing to support the system that has been so good to them. In your country Mr Conrad how are your healthcare issue tended to? I am curious to know how its paid for who pays for it and what not. look it up,it's on Google! actually,I pay,for what suits me,and so far I have been well served! Better than anything Obama came up with! It's a System for the People,NOT the Government. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Switzerland http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2011/04/29/why-switzerland-has-the-worlds-best-health-care-system/