Topic: 'Under God' upheld again
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Thu 11/01/12 02:12 PM


Next time (if ever) you have to appear in court, and before you cross the threshold into the hot seat where the "defendant" faces the judge, ask the judge this question:

"Is this a constitutional court?"

And then take note of the flag in the room. It has a yellow trim, right?

That is a corporate flag and you are in a corporate court.




rofl

What an imagination!


Do some real research dodo.

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Thu 11/01/12 02:23 PM




Jesus taught to pray and give alms in private without making a big show of it


And that is what people should do.




So, are you suggesting Christians get in a closet...
while everything that's been in the closet should be let out?

Keeping prayer in a closet is not what Jesus was implying anyhow.



No, if people want to pray in a public restaurant on on the street, then that is fine with me. It should not be a problem with most people.

What I am saying is in a crowd of mixed audience, public conducted prayer -from a podium etc-- to a captive audience is rude and assuming.

It assumes that everyone in the audience is approving of that belief and it publicly endorses a belief that should be personal.




I've not heard of any who complained about public prayers for 911 victims and their families.

Hope was given. Strength was received.
Prayers are good for prevention as well!
Many gather for that sort of prayer.
Even unbelievers appreciate the prayers of godly men, women, and children.



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Thu 11/01/12 02:59 PM

Next time (if ever) you have to appear in court, and before you cross the threshold into the hot seat where the "defendant" faces the judge, ask the judge this question:

"Is this a constitutional court?"

And then take note of the flag in the room. It has a yellow trim, right?

That is a corporate flag and you are in a corporate court.


actually what you posted is marked as Military Flag!laugh rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

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Thu 11/01/12 03:04 PM


The USA (The United States of America) is a corporation run by criminals.

I will gladly recite a pledge to America, the country.


whoa



Okay slaves, here is your new pledge.



I pledge allegiance to the flag with the yellow trim.
And to the corporate entity that we named the United States of America.
And to world domination for which it stands
One COMPANY, Indivisible, under Elite control
Two big to fail,
Giving no liberty, freedom or justice
for the working class
do you believe you could have lived and survived in the USSR,the way you're doing in the USofA?

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Thu 11/01/12 03:07 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 11/01/12 03:14 PM


Next time (if ever) you have to appear in court, and before you cross the threshold into the hot seat where the "defendant" faces the judge, ask the judge this question:

"Is this a constitutional court?"

And then take note of the flag in the room. It has a yellow trim, right?

That is a corporate flag and you are in a corporate court.


actually what you posted is marked as Military Flag!laugh rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl



It does not matter what it is "marked."

It is a military flag ... with a gold trim.
It is a corporate flag and will be found in every court room you enter.

Have you ever seen a civil peace time flag???


Here it is:




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Thu 11/01/12 03:11 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 11/01/12 03:12 PM





Jesus taught to pray and give alms in private without making a big show of it


And that is what people should do.




So, are you suggesting Christians get in a closet...
while everything that's been in the closet should be let out?

Keeping prayer in a closet is not what Jesus was implying anyhow.



No, if people want to pray in a public restaurant on on the street, then that is fine with me. It should not be a problem with most people.

What I am saying is in a crowd of mixed audience, public conducted prayer -from a podium etc-- to a captive audience is rude and assuming.

It assumes that everyone in the audience is approving of that belief and it publicly endorses a belief that should be personal.




I've not heard of any who complained about public prayers for 911 victims and their families.



Of course not. To complain would also be extremely RUDE. Not to mention the abuse any complainer would surely have to endure for complaining.



Hope was given. Strength was received.
Prayers are good for prevention as well!
Many gather for that sort of prayer.
Even unbelievers appreciate the prayers of godly men, women, and children.


That is not the point I am making. I am speaking ONLY OF PUBLIC PRAYER FROM A POSITION OF AUTHORITY to a crowd of unknowns.

I am saying that, while not "illegal" it is RUDE and it assumes that everyone in the crowd is of that faith or should be.






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Thu 11/01/12 03:17 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 11/01/12 03:24 PM



The USA (The United States of America) is a corporation run by criminals.

I will gladly recite a pledge to America, the country.


whoa



Okay slaves, here is your new pledge.



I pledge allegiance to the flag with the yellow trim.
And to the corporate entity that we named the United States of America.
And to world domination for which it stands
One COMPANY, Indivisible, under Elite control
Two big to fail,
Giving no liberty, freedom or justice
for the working class
do you believe you could have lived and survived in the USSR,the way you're doing in the USofA?



I'm not sure I understand your question. (or what it has to do with the subject.)
I am simply telling you people the truth.

The United States of America is a CORPORATION.
It is run like a corporation.

Those things you think are "laws" are Corporate law. They are UCC (Universal Commercial Code.) Note: COMMERCIAL CODE.



The flag with the yellow trim is a corporate flag for the USA.
The flag I posted above is an American civil peacetime flag.
The flag without the yellow trim is an American military flag.


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Thu 11/01/12 03:22 PM



Next time (if ever) you have to appear in court, and before you cross the threshold into the hot seat where the "defendant" faces the judge, ask the judge this question:

"Is this a constitutional court?"

And then take note of the flag in the room. It has a yellow trim, right?

That is a corporate flag and you are in a corporate court.




rofl

What an imagination!


Do some real research dodo.


That is, 'google' what you want the answer to be.

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Thu 11/01/12 03:29 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 11/01/12 03:31 PM
Here is a good one:
I was wrong, the gold fringe is both a military and corporate flag.
So the regular flag is an American flag.

Flags
GOLD FRINGED FLAG

The flags displayed in State courts and courts of the United States have gold or yellow fringes. That is your WARNING that you are entering into a foreign enclave, the same as if you are stepping into a foreign embassy and you will be under the jurisdiction of that flag. The flag with the gold or yellow fringe has no constitution, no laws, and no rules of court, and is not recognized by any nation on the earth, and is foreign to you and the United States of America. more information

MILITARY FLAG WITH THE GOLD FRINGE

Martial Law Flag "Pursuant to 4 U.S.C. chapter 1, §§1, 2, & 3; Executive Order 10834, August 21, 1959; 24 F.R.6865; a military flag is a flag that resembles the regular flag of the United States, except that it has a YELLOW FRINGE border on three sides. The President of the United States designates this deviation from the regular flag, by executive order, and in his capacity as Commander-in-Chief of the military. The placing of a fringe on the national flag, the dimensions of the flag and the arrangement of the stars in the union are matters of detail not controlled by statute, but are within the discretion of the President as Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy." 34 Ops. Atty. Gen. 83.

President, Dwight David Eisenhower, by Executive Order No.10834, signed on August 21, 1959 and printed in the Federal Register at 24 F.R. 6865, pursuant to law, stated that: "A military flag is a flag that resembles the regular flag of the United States, except that it has a yellow fringe border on three sides

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/flag.htm

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Thu 11/01/12 03:33 PM
Patriots are subjected to much ridicule when they object to [Admiralty flag] the flag that appears in every government office and courtroom in the land.
That flag is the United States flag... with one seemingly minor cosmetic
difference - a knotted golden fringe on three sides.

Government officials and judges adamantly refuse requests to remove the gold fringed flag and replace it with the constitutional flag of the United States as defined in 4 U.S.C. Section 1,2, and 3 - which has NO fringe.

Why should anyone be concerned about this apparently innocent decorative feature? What difference does it make?
GO HERE FOR THE REST OF THE STORY:
http://web.archive.org/web/20031205030542/http://user.icx.net/~drherb/fringe.html

Fringe On The U.S. Flag What Does It Mean?
http://web.archive.org/web/20031205030542/http://user.icx.net/~drherb/fringe.html

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Sat 11/03/12 11:39 AM
I've said the pledge of allegiance when I was in school, but I always said the original pledge. I left out 2 words that weren't in the original version. Now I may not say it out loud but I will place my hand over my heart when it is being said, out of respect for america and the soldiers that fight for it.

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Sat 11/03/12 01:58 PM
The United States of America is a CORPORATION.


In a parallel universe perhaps, but not in this one.

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Sat 11/03/12 02:00 PM

The United States of America is a CORPORATION.


In a parallel universe perhaps, but not in this one.

How do you know this is not a parallel universe?

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Sat 11/03/12 02:48 PM


The United States of America is a CORPORATION.


In a parallel universe perhaps, but not in this one.

How do you know this is not a parallel universe?



The whole world is probably a corporation.

Its always all about business.


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Sat 11/03/12 03:50 PM



The United States of America is a CORPORATION.


In a parallel universe perhaps, but not in this one.

How do you know this is not a parallel universe?



The whole world is probably a corporation.

Its always all about business.


how will you eat if you don't make money?
Unless,of course,you live in Schlaraffenland (Cockaigne)!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cockaignelaugh

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schlaraffenland


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Sat 11/03/12 04:05 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sat 11/03/12 04:05 PM




The United States of America is a CORPORATION.


In a parallel universe perhaps, but not in this one.

How do you know this is not a parallel universe?



The whole world is probably a corporation.

Its always all about business.


how will you eat if you don't make money?
Unless,of course,you live in Schlaraffenland (Cockaigne)!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cockaignelaugh

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schlaraffenland





Working for a living and owning a giant corporation only interested in greed, wealth and making a profit are two different things.


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Wed 11/07/12 11:16 AM


under god is a biased term, people and their middle east religions slaphead and I'm not talking about Muslims!!!


Then you don't have to say it.

I didnt TAHNK YOU

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Wed 11/07/12 11:24 AM

Legal-Courts

'Under God' upheld again

Bob Kellogg (OneNewsNow.com)
Wednesday, October 31, 2012





The Massachusetts Supreme Court has agreed to hear a case involving the right of students to recite the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools across the state.

Superior Court Judge Jane Haggerty has already ruled against the American Humanist Association, saying that the Pledge does not violate the state's constitution, regardless of the phrase "under God." Diana Verm of The Becket Fund for Religious Liberty is defending the families who are fighting to keep it in the schools.

"Judge Haggerty ruled that the Pledge of Allegiance is a voluntary, civic exercise that doesn't discriminate against anyone, and [the American Humanist Association is] hoping that the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court will disagree with her," Verm details. "But that would be going against every other court that's reviewed the Pledge of Allegiance."

She notes that while members of the Association have a right to remain silent during the recitation, they do not have the right to silence everyone else.

"I just think this case is fundamentally about whether people with very different worldviews can live together in peace without suing each other to try to silence each other," the attorney offers. "And our tradition of rights has said that no one has to profess anything that they don't believe."

This case is the fourth major lawsuit attempting to remove the words "under God" from the Pledge. So far, The Becket Fund has successfully defended the phrase in all cases.



http://www.onenewsnow.com/legal-courts/2012/10/31/under-god-upheld-again

Amen!


Since it was originally written without a god in it....that is what should continue to be in this case.

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Wed 11/07/12 02:20 PM


Jesus taught to pray and give alms in private without making a big show of it


I agree, and I do not promote daily public displays of piety.

However, this thread is specifically about the use of two words in the U.S. Pledge of Allegiance. People are free to say those words, and people are free to not say those words.


The problem is that the Pledge is always said in unison in public gatherings, following a leader. This makes it at least a semiformal public declaration. Sure, people can remain silent for the "under God" part. But while they are silent, the rest of the group is overwhelming them with their words, and anyone watching would have no way to realize that person X doesn't agree with the whole thing.

If the Pledge were something that people said spontaneously on their own, like a prayer, or if it were commonly said in private, then I'd have no problem with it containing religious language. But as it is, I do think it violates the Constitution.

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Wed 11/07/12 02:22 PM

Even unbelievers appreciate the prayers of godly men, women, and children.



How do you know that? I can guarantee you that not all do. But the vast majority are polite enough to keep it to themselves.