I haven't watched this yet all the way through but I thought it might be of interest.

Dr. Quantum - The Real Self behind the Ego (caught by science)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC-Je_Nt6Cs&feature=related

The reality is unprovable, what is perceived by our senses is transformed into an image inside our brains, make sure that it is reality, becomes very difficult

wouldn't it all constitute as being stimuli/memory

how can consciousness be achevied without that which you listed above

which is an indication that consciousness possiblity arised from unconsciousness not the other way around

to simply put it...how can consciousness exist without memory

isn't consciousness the sum of ones memories

Consciousness is more than the sum of one's memories.

It is the experience.

Memories are like dreams, they can be three dimensional. They can also change. They include not only sights and sounds, but feelings and reactions. They fade and they change.

Conscious comes before all things. People have always asked what came first, the chicken or the egg. The answer is consciousness came first and all things spring from that.

The difference between information and knowledge is the presence of a working and reactive mind. The difference between memory and data is the presence of the one who experiences, feels and learns.

Consciousness exists without "memory." It manifests memory. It exists without data and information. It manifests data and information.

Consciousness exists because it must exist and cannot NOT exist because it is impossible for "nothing" to exist.

Consciousness exists because nothing can't. Nothing is impossible. It cannot exist.

Then when it stirs, energy is manifested. All energy comes from consciousness.

Then, energy is used to manifest matter. Matter and mass manifest spacetime. This is what you call the big bang. Energy, matter and mass disturb the void and explode forth.

how would consciousness "know" that it exist without memory...especially since it would have no memory or any data or information that it can exist without memory

you have yet to explain where consciousness came from...did it just pop out of nothingness or was it "always was"... perhaps like God?

it appears that your religious roots are showing

It is not my opinion lol. You can't just say you are correct and Science is wrong, and the scientific definition doesn't matter when talking about scientific evidence. I understand you are wanting to talk philosophy but you can't bring in scientific evidence and try to talk philosophy. So yes as far as science is concerned you are incorrect. That is not an opinion as you can look it up and prove it.

You realize the real goal here is to just slam science, as usual, right?

On the subject of the "scientific definition" of consciousness, I'd say the scientific community has yet to reach a real consensus. Perhaps we should join this discussion to throw in our two cents?

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=15230

(Dammit!...How do I make the link active??)

Here's a few quotes from the discussion I linked to:

You cannot say that my opinion is incorrect. You can only disagree with my opinion.

gotcha!

Metalwing I don't have to slam science. Science is what it is. The scientific community is not perfect and they don't know everything.

The goal here is to have a discussion about the hard problem of consciousness which science has not yet solved. People who think science is the end all to all hard questions have taken science as their religion and they defend it like their god.

I have nothing against science, its the people who worship science and think they have all the answers who always get annoyed with me.

...and its those people who annoy me, because they have apparently lost the capacity for independent, critical thought and have fallen into dogma.

Jeanniebean may not have all the answers, but she has the intellectual independence to ask good questions and the courage to take a stab at answering them with an hypothesis. What could be more scientific than that?

Scientology isn't scientific ...it's religion

You start off with a false statement about science and then ramble into a host of nonscientific nonsense in the SCIENCE threads. If there was ANY intellectual honesty at all, there would be research into the actual scientific basis of consciousness since this is a SCIENCE thread. Any research at all would lead to the thousands of scientific experts who specialize in the field every day. They are called anesthesiologists. They have fine tuned the art of bringing human consciousness is and out to avoid pain of surgery.

Then of course are the researchers who have made great recent advances using fMRI into locating exactly where consciousness is located in the human brain and which parts of the brain handle which duties.

And of course there are the neurologists, biochemists, and fuzzy logic programmers who study the basic mechanics of the hardware and software of the human brain and the psychologists, anthropologists, and zoologists who study the motivations and thought processes of humans and animals to access motivations and functionality.

You do not seek knowledge. You only seek to express your lack of it by trying to raise your opinion to the level of someone who actually understands a subject.

Well this is the Science and Philosophy thread.
What "false statement" about science are your referring to?


I am sure there is a vast amount of scientific information and hypothesis about the brain and consciousness that would impress anyone and boggle the mind.

I am not saying that science knows nothing about consciousness, I am simply saying that science DOES NOT KNOW EVERYTHING.

Science approaches and studies consciousness as if it exists inside of the human brain. Or maybe they allow the idea of consciousness in any animal that has a brain, I don't know. They used to think that animals were not conscious, but we all know that animals are conscious and feel pain. They used to skin pigs alive before animal rights people got laws passed against that cruel practice. What about plants? What amount of consciousness do they have? And what else? Can consciousness be found or identified in other things? If not, then why not?




I understand that other research has determined that the brain does not always have specific locations for specific duties and that it adapts these things differently according to necessity.

Where in this brain do you suppose "consciousness resides?"
This is the brain of a 44-year-old man, married with kids and holding a steady job, who was found to have practically no brain matter in his skull:

Where did you find my old x-ray? I no longer have a proper family life or a steady job...I guess I didn't have the brains to hang on to them.

Actually, time does not exist.

Not saying you're wrong, but what are we gonna replace it with in the equations?

(e.g. v=d/t, but without "t" we get v=d (velocity equals distance))

Without time, how do we explain the observed phenomenon (for instance) of light getting from A to B ?