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Lpdon's photo
Fri 10/26/12 12:07 AM


Pffffft..., There you go again mixing apples and oranges., Threads [ Forums] are used sometimes for those with personal opinions to share with others although these personal opinions may not be actual facts but opinions non the least.
well,Elections are decided the same way!
Beware of the Ides of September,Barry!laugh




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msharmony's photo
Fri 10/26/12 12:11 AM
bush on 9/11 2001



bush on 01/20/2005






yes, how elections are made

thousands of civilian americans dead on american soil,,,

four americans , paid security and ambassador dead on hostile soil...




im sure the latter will be much more disruptive than the former

TJN's photo
Fri 10/26/12 04:33 AM
Edited by TJN on Fri 10/26/12 04:51 AM

bush on 9/11 2001



bush on 01/20/2005






yes, how elections are made

thousands of civilian americans dead on american soil,,,

four americans , paid security and ambassador dead on hostile soil...




im sure the latter will be much more disruptive than the former

I find it funny that when the Obama faithful can not defend him they always resort to something about president Bush.
When the that pic taken? minutes after it happenend. What was Bush supposed to do?
Yes it's been over a month since 4 Americans were murdered. And new things have been comig out this whole time about how this administration knew things and didn't tell us but told lies to cover it up and divert attention to what really happened.
Shameful

alookat101's photo
Fri 10/26/12 06:18 AM
Edited by alookat101 on Fri 10/26/12 06:19 AM



im sure the latter will be much more disruptive than the former

I find it funny that when the Obama faithful can not defend him they always resort to something about president Bush.
When the that pic taken? minutes after it happenend. What was Bush supposed to do?
Yes it's been over a month since 4 Americans were murdered. And new things have been comig out this whole time about how this administration knew things and didn't tell us but told lies to cover it up and divert attention to what really happened.
Shameful








Your right by saying that trying compare the two presidency of Obama vs Bush is not a good comparative., Yes going back to when Bush was president is a very good reason why someone like me who supports our Commander n Chief Obama was and is a wise choice.

msharmony's photo
Fri 10/26/12 07:24 AM


bush on 9/11 2001



bush on 01/20/2005






yes, how elections are made

thousands of civilian americans dead on american soil,,,

four americans , paid security and ambassador dead on hostile soil...




im sure the latter will be much more disruptive than the former

I find it funny that when the Obama faithful can not defend him they always resort to something about president Bush.
When the that pic taken? minutes after it happenend. What was Bush supposed to do?
Yes it's been over a month since 4 Americans were murdered. And new things have been comig out this whole time about how this administration knew things and didn't tell us but told lies to cover it up and divert attention to what really happened.
Shameful



and I find it funny how those who hate him most cite examples that can be applied to others whom they obviously had great respect for

this is one of those times,,,,Obama does it,, its the work of a hateful, unpatriotic, unamerican, should be impeached,,,etc,,,,


someone else does it,, it was either a good idea or there isnt enough 'proof' to criticize them or know how deeply they are involved,,,


Im just saying, if whatever lapse in intelligence caused 4 deaths should be enough to cost an election

why wasnt the lapse in intelligence which caused 3000 deaths enough to cost a past election?


sorry if pointing out double standards isnt connecting with all the haters,,

TJN's photo
Fri 10/26/12 07:35 AM



bush on 9/11 2001



bush on 01/20/2005






yes, how elections are made

thousands of civilian americans dead on american soil,,,

four americans , paid security and ambassador dead on hostile soil...




im sure the latter will be much more disruptive than the former

I find it funny that when the Obama faithful can not defend him they always resort to something about president Bush.
When the that pic taken? minutes after it happenend. What was Bush supposed to do?
Yes it's been over a month since 4 Americans were murdered. And new things have been comig out this whole time about how this administration knew things and didn't tell us but told lies to cover it up and divert attention to what really happened.
Shameful



and I find it funny how those who hate him most cite examples that can be applied to others whom they obviously had great respect for

this is one of those times,,,,Obama does it,, its the work of a hateful, unpatriotic, unamerican, should be impeached,,,etc,,,,


someone else does it,, it was either a good idea or there isnt enough 'proof' to criticize them or know how deeply they are involved,,,


Im just saying, if whatever lapse in intelligence caused 4 deaths should be enough to cost an election

why wasnt the lapse in intelligence which caused 3000 deaths enough to cost a past election?


sorry if pointing out double standards isnt connecting with all the haters,,

Apples to oranges.
A lapse in intelligence, has nothing to do with not giving more security, then lying about what really happened.
In the weeks after 9/11 did the Bush administration lie about what happened?
The attack in Benghazi was being live streamed by a drone as it happened. They knew exactly what happened yet days and weeks after the adminisration lied about it and still are. It's disgraceful.

msharmony's photo
Fri 10/26/12 07:40 AM




bush on 9/11 2001



bush on 01/20/2005






yes, how elections are made

thousands of civilian americans dead on american soil,,,

four americans , paid security and ambassador dead on hostile soil...




im sure the latter will be much more disruptive than the former

I find it funny that when the Obama faithful can not defend him they always resort to something about president Bush.
When the that pic taken? minutes after it happenend. What was Bush supposed to do?
Yes it's been over a month since 4 Americans were murdered. And new things have been comig out this whole time about how this administration knew things and didn't tell us but told lies to cover it up and divert attention to what really happened.
Shameful



and I find it funny how those who hate him most cite examples that can be applied to others whom they obviously had great respect for

this is one of those times,,,,Obama does it,, its the work of a hateful, unpatriotic, unamerican, should be impeached,,,etc,,,,


someone else does it,, it was either a good idea or there isnt enough 'proof' to criticize them or know how deeply they are involved,,,


Im just saying, if whatever lapse in intelligence caused 4 deaths should be enough to cost an election

why wasnt the lapse in intelligence which caused 3000 deaths enough to cost a past election?


sorry if pointing out double standards isnt connecting with all the haters,,

Apples to oranges.
A lapse in intelligence, has nothing to do with not giving more security, then lying about what really happened.
In the weeks after 9/11 did the Bush administration lie about what happened?
The attack in Benghazi was being live streamed by a drone as it happened. They knew exactly what happened yet days and weeks after the adminisration lied about it and still are. It's disgraceful.



really? so if intelligence decids there is enough security

lapse in intelligence has nothng to do with not giving 'more'?

interesting,,

we wont know if the BUsh administation lied,, he did say he wasnt aware in advance and later was found out that one of the departments (which in this media age is translated to mean the president himself) was informed of the operation to use the planes as weapons

nd how are are you so sure already what they knew?

I was no fan of Bush but I waited for a completed investigation (which resulted in Condoleeza taking the responsibility) befor ASSuming what was known or hidden or whatever

this is no differen, and in fact fewer lives were lost

bush said then they went by the intelligence reports just as obama says now,,,there is no evidence that either of them is lying about that

metalwing's photo
Fri 10/26/12 08:14 AM



bush on 9/11 2001



bush on 01/20/2005






yes, how elections are made

thousands of civilian americans dead on american soil,,,

four americans , paid security and ambassador dead on hostile soil...




im sure the latter will be much more disruptive than the former

I find it funny that when the Obama faithful can not defend him they always resort to something about president Bush.
When the that pic taken? minutes after it happenend. What was Bush supposed to do?
Yes it's been over a month since 4 Americans were murdered. And new things have been comig out this whole time about how this administration knew things and didn't tell us but told lies to cover it up and divert attention to what really happened.
Shameful



and I find it funny how those who hate him most cite examples that can be applied to others whom they obviously had great respect for

this is one of those times,,,,Obama does it,, its the work of a hateful, unpatriotic, unamerican, should be impeached,,,etc,,,,


someone else does it,, it was either a good idea or there isnt enough 'proof' to criticize them or know how deeply they are involved,,,


Im just saying, if whatever lapse in intelligence caused 4 deaths should be enough to cost an election

why wasnt the lapse in intelligence which caused 3000 deaths enough to cost a past election?


sorry if pointing out double standards isnt connecting with all the haters,,


What you are doing, and no one does it more often, is using the classic "Straw Man" argument. When your guy is in an indefensible position, such as the Libya incident, you bring up Bush or something else to divert attention away from "your guy". You are constantly unable to discuss the merits of the topic.

Please note that neither Bush, Reagan, nor any other president was involved in this incident.

The straw man fallacy occurs in the following pattern of argument:

Person 1 has position X.
Person 2 disregards certain key points of X and instead presents the superficially similar position Y. The position Y is a distorted version of X and can be set up in several ways, including:
Presenting a misrepresentation of the opponent's position.
Quoting an opponent's words out of context — i.e. choosing quotations that misrepresent the opponent's actual intentions (see fallacy of quoting out of context).[4]
Presenting someone who defends a position poorly as the defender, then refuting that person's arguments — thus giving the appearance that every upholder of that position (and thus the position itself) has been defeated.[3]
Inventing a fictitious persona with actions or beliefs which are then criticized, implying that the person represents a group of whom the speaker is critical.
Oversimplifying an opponent's argument, then attacking this oversimplified version.
Person 2 attacks position Y, concluding that X is false/incorrect/flawed.

This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position fails to constitute an attack on the actual position.

TJN's photo
Fri 10/26/12 08:14 AM





bush on 9/11 2001



bush on 01/20/2005






yes, how elections are made

thousands of civilian americans dead on american soil,,,

four americans , paid security and ambassador dead on hostile soil...




im sure the latter will be much more disruptive than the former

I find it funny that when the Obama faithful can not defend him they always resort to something about president Bush.
When the that pic taken? minutes after it happenend. What was Bush supposed to do?
Yes it's been over a month since 4 Americans were murdered. And new things have been comig out this whole time about how this administration knew things and didn't tell us but told lies to cover it up and divert attention to what really happened.
Shameful



and I find it funny how those who hate him most cite examples that can be applied to others whom they obviously had great respect for

this is one of those times,,,,Obama does it,, its the work of a hateful, unpatriotic, unamerican, should be impeached,,,etc,,,,


someone else does it,, it was either a good idea or there isnt enough 'proof' to criticize them or know how deeply they are involved,,,


Im just saying, if whatever lapse in intelligence caused 4 deaths should be enough to cost an election

why wasnt the lapse in intelligence which caused 3000 deaths enough to cost a past election?


sorry if pointing out double standards isnt connecting with all the haters,,

Apples to oranges.
A lapse in intelligence, has nothing to do with not giving more security, then lying about what really happened.
In the weeks after 9/11 did the Bush administration lie about what happened?
The attack in Benghazi was being live streamed by a drone as it happened. They knew exactly what happened yet days and weeks after the adminisration lied about it and still are. It's disgraceful.



really? so if intelligence decids there is enough security

lapse in intelligence has nothng to do with not giving 'more'?

interesting,,

we wont know if the BUsh administation lied,, he did say he wasnt aware in advance and later was found out that one of the departments (which in this media age is translated to mean the president himself) was informed of the operation to use the planes as weapons

nd how are are you so sure already what they knew?

I was no fan of Bush but I waited for a completed investigation (which resulted in Condoleeza taking the responsibility) befor ASSuming what was known or hidden or whatever

this is no differen, and in fact fewer lives were lost

bush said then they went by the intelligence reports just as obama says now,,,there is no evidence that either of them is lying about that


9/11 isn't the same as Benghazi.

FACT - more security was requested by the ambassador and CIA. Who denied that request?
FACT - it was a planned and well orchestrated attack. Not a protest over an anti Islam video. Who was responsible for that lie?
FACT - calls were being made as the attack was happening for help, none was given. Who denied the help?

alookat101's photo
Fri 10/26/12 11:14 AM




bush on 9/11 2001



bush on 01/20/2005






yes, how elections are made

thousands of civilian americans dead on american soil,,,

four americans , paid security and ambassador dead on hostile soil...




im sure the latter will be much more disruptive than the former

I find it funny that when the Obama faithful can not defend him they always resort to something about president Bush.
When the that pic taken? minutes after it happenend. What was Bush supposed to do?
Yes it's been over a month since 4 Americans were murdered. And new things have been comig out this whole time about how this administration knew things and didn't tell us but told lies to cover it up and divert attention to what really happened.
Shameful



and I find it funny how those who hate him most cite examples that can be applied to others whom they obviously had great respect for

this is one of those times,,,,Obama does it,, its the work of a hateful, unpatriotic, unamerican, should be impeached,,,etc,,,,


someone else does it,, it was either a good idea or there isnt enough 'proof' to criticize them or know how deeply they are involved,,,


Im just saying, if whatever lapse in intelligence caused 4 deaths should be enough to cost an election

why wasnt the lapse in intelligence which caused 3000 deaths enough to cost a past election?


sorry if pointing out double standards isnt connecting with all the haters,,

Apples to oranges.
A lapse in intelligence, has nothing to do with not giving more security, then lying about what really happened.
In the weeks after 9/11 did the Bush administration lie about what happened?
The attack in Benghazi was being live streamed by a drone as it happened. They knew exactly what happened yet days and weeks after the adminisration lied about it and still are. It's disgraceful.

Was Ex- Vice President Dick Cheney shooting of a fellow american friend while hunting caused by accident, ambush or just anguish. Was there or should I be saying is there still Nuclear bombs still buried somewhere in Iraq., Or was this just Ex- President Bush way of Deceiving, Lying or just Mistaking information giving to the american people. Are you looking for who Lie's or who's telling the bigger more believable lie.














TJN's photo
Fri 10/26/12 11:25 AM





bush on 9/11 2001



bush on 01/20/2005






yes, how elections are made

thousands of civilian americans dead on american soil,,,

four americans , paid security and ambassador dead on hostile soil...




im sure the latter will be much more disruptive than the former

I find it funny that when the Obama faithful can not defend him they always resort to something about president Bush.
When the that pic taken? minutes after it happenend. What was Bush supposed to do?
Yes it's been over a month since 4 Americans were murdered. And new things have been comig out this whole time about how this administration knew things and didn't tell us but told lies to cover it up and divert attention to what really happened.
Shameful



and I find it funny how those who hate him most cite examples that can be applied to others whom they obviously had great respect for

this is one of those times,,,,Obama does it,, its the work of a hateful, unpatriotic, unamerican, should be impeached,,,etc,,,,


someone else does it,, it was either a good idea or there isnt enough 'proof' to criticize them or know how deeply they are involved,,,


Im just saying, if whatever lapse in intelligence caused 4 deaths should be enough to cost an election

why wasnt the lapse in intelligence which caused 3000 deaths enough to cost a past election?


sorry if pointing out double standards isnt connecting with all the haters,,

Apples to oranges.
A lapse in intelligence, has nothing to do with not giving more security, then lying about what really happened.
In the weeks after 9/11 did the Bush administration lie about what happened?
The attack in Benghazi was being live streamed by a drone as it happened. They knew exactly what happened yet days and weeks after the adminisration lied about it and still are. It's disgraceful.

Was Ex- Vice President Dick Cheney shooting of a fellow american friend while hunting caused by accident, ambush or just anguish. Was there or should I be saying is there still Nuclear bombs still buried somewhere in Iraq., Or was this just Ex- President Bush way of Deceiving, Lying or just Mistaking information giving to the american people. Are you looking for who Lie's or who's telling the bigger more believable lie.















Why don't you try and stay on topic!

FACT - more security was requested by the ambassador and CIA. Who denied that request?
FACT - it was a planned and well orchestrated attack. Not a protest over an anti Islam video. Who was responsible for that lie?
FACT - calls were being made as the attack was happening for help, none was given. Who denied the help?

Conrad_73's photo
Fri 10/26/12 11:28 AM
you will be told the whole story on 11/11/12,at 11.11AM!

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