Topic: The Question.....
InvictusV's photo
Sat 10/13/12 05:35 PM
Do black people support Obama because he's black?

Surviving slavery, segregation and discrimination has forged a special pride in African-Americans. Now some are saying this hard-earned pride has become prejudice in the form of blind loyalty to President Barack Obama.

Are black people supporting Obama mainly because he's black? If race is just one factor in blacks' support of Obama, does that make them racist? Can blacks' support for Obama be compared with white voters who may favor his Republican challenger, Mitt Romney, because he's white?

These questions have long animated conservatives who are frustrated by claims that white people who oppose Obama's policies are racist. This week, when a black actress who tweeted an endorsement of Romney was subjected to a stream of abuse from other African-Americans, the politics of racial accusation came full circle once again.

Stacey Dash, who also has Mexican heritage, is best known for the 1995 film "Clueless" and the recent cable-TV drama "Single Ladies." On Twitter, she was called "jigaboo," "traitor," "house ******" and worse after posting, "Vote for Romney. The only choice for your future."

The theme of the insults: A black woman would have to be stupid, subservient or both to choose a white Republican over the first black president.

Russell Simmons, the hip-hop mogul and Obama backer, called Dash's experience "racism." Said Barbara Walters on "The View": "If she were white, this wouldn't have happened."

Twitter users are by no means representative of America, and many black Obama supporters quickly denounced the attacks. But for people like Art Gary, an information technology professional, the reason Dash was attacked is simple: She is a black woman supporting a white candidate over a black one.

"It goes both ways," said Gary, who is white. "There is racial bias amongst whites, and there is racial bias amongst blacks. But as far as the press is concerned, it only goes one way."

Antonio Luckett, a sales representative in Milwaukee who is black, called the attacks on Dash unfair. But when people speak out against a symbol of black progress like Obama, he said, "African-Americans tend to be internally hurt by that."

"We still have a civil rights (era) mentality, but we're not living in a civil rights-based world anymore," he said. "We want to say, `You're black, you need to stand behind black people.'"

Luckett said one reason he voted for Obama in the 2008 primary against Hillary Clinton was because Obama is black: "Yes, I will admit that."

Is that racism? Not in Luckett's mind. "It's voting for someone who would understand your side of the coin a lot better."

Such logic runs into trouble when applied to a white person voting for Romney because he understands whiteness better. Ron Christie, a black conservative who worked for former President George W. Bush, finds both sides of that coin unacceptable.

"It's not the vision that our leaders in the civil rights movement would have envisioned and be proud of in the era of the first African-American president," Christie said.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OBAMA_BLACK_FAVORITISM?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-10-13-14-08-26


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willowdraga's photo
Sat 10/13/12 05:46 PM
There are black folks who do not support President Obama and didn't vote for him last time. There are black folks who do not know their civics very well and are disappointed with him now after voting for him before.

Of course, they are not different than the whites/hispanics/asians/indians/etc... who do not know their civics. A president is only as good as his congress lets him be.

A congress can make or break a president and this one was trying to break this president.

I just wish our last congress would have been out to break Bush like this one has been out to break President Obama.

msharmony's photo
Sat 10/13/12 05:47 PM
some black people will support a black candidate over a white one
some will support a white one over a black one

some are hypocrites that change their standards based upon the color of the candidate


some will support the candidate that best represents them, as is evident by how many other black candidates HAVE NOT succeeded in their presidential bids and how Clinton had roughly the same support amongst blacks that Obama did,,,


in the end, we cant know peoples reasons, although we can call out hypocrisy when they share their views,,,,



msharmony's photo
Sat 10/13/12 05:48 PM

There are black folks who do not support President Obama and didn't vote for him last time. There are black folks who do not know their civics very well and are disappointed with him now after voting for him before.

Of course, they are not different than the whites/hispanics/asians/indians/etc... who do not know their civics. A president is only as good as his congress lets him be.

A congress can make or break a president and this one was trying to break this president.

I just wish our last congress would have been out to break Bush like this one has been out to break President Obama.



this also, it is astounding the non existent power most place on the president ,,and the finger pointing congresses do at the presidents who only accept or veto THEIR bills,,,,


InvictusV's photo
Sat 10/13/12 05:56 PM

There are black folks who do not support President Obama and didn't vote for him last time. There are black folks who do not know their civics very well and are disappointed with him now after voting for him before.

Of course, they are not different than the whites/hispanics/asians/indians/etc... who do not know their civics. A president is only as good as his congress lets him be.

A congress can make or break a president and this one was trying to break this president.

I just wish our last congress would have been out to break Bush like this one has been out to break President Obama.


oh so the two years he had a democrat controlled congress they were out to break him?

nice try..

the democrats were also in control of congress during the last 2 years of Bush.

4 years with democrats in control of congress..

2007-2010

A little history lesson for you..


msharmony's photo
Sat 10/13/12 06:02 PM


There are black folks who do not support President Obama and didn't vote for him last time. There are black folks who do not know their civics very well and are disappointed with him now after voting for him before.

Of course, they are not different than the whites/hispanics/asians/indians/etc... who do not know their civics. A president is only as good as his congress lets him be.

A congress can make or break a president and this one was trying to break this president.

I just wish our last congress would have been out to break Bush like this one has been out to break President Obama.


oh so the two years he had a democrat controlled congress they were out to break him?

nice try..

the democrats were also in control of congress during the last 2 years of Bush.

4 years with democrats in control of congress..

2007-2010

A little history lesson for you..




that doesnt refute anything posted prior

but thanx for the lesson


republicans came in house leadership in 2009 making their priority more about defeating OBama than supporting AMerica,,,


Lpdon's photo
Sun 10/14/12 12:49 AM

Do black people support Obama because he's black?

Surviving slavery, segregation and discrimination has forged a special pride in African-Americans. Now some are saying this hard-earned pride has become prejudice in the form of blind loyalty to President Barack Obama.

Are black people supporting Obama mainly because he's black? If race is just one factor in blacks' support of Obama, does that make them racist? Can blacks' support for Obama be compared with white voters who may favor his Republican challenger, Mitt Romney, because he's white?

These questions have long animated conservatives who are frustrated by claims that white people who oppose Obama's policies are racist. This week, when a black actress who tweeted an endorsement of Romney was subjected to a stream of abuse from other African-Americans, the politics of racial accusation came full circle once again.

Stacey Dash, who also has Mexican heritage, is best known for the 1995 film "Clueless" and the recent cable-TV drama "Single Ladies." On Twitter, she was called "jigaboo," "traitor," "house ******" and worse after posting, "Vote for Romney. The only choice for your future."

The theme of the insults: A black woman would have to be stupid, subservient or both to choose a white Republican over the first black president.

Russell Simmons, the hip-hop mogul and Obama backer, called Dash's experience "racism." Said Barbara Walters on "The View": "If she were white, this wouldn't have happened."

Twitter users are by no means representative of America, and many black Obama supporters quickly denounced the attacks. But for people like Art Gary, an information technology professional, the reason Dash was attacked is simple: She is a black woman supporting a white candidate over a black one.

"It goes both ways," said Gary, who is white. "There is racial bias amongst whites, and there is racial bias amongst blacks. But as far as the press is concerned, it only goes one way."

Antonio Luckett, a sales representative in Milwaukee who is black, called the attacks on Dash unfair. But when people speak out against a symbol of black progress like Obama, he said, "African-Americans tend to be internally hurt by that."

"We still have a civil rights (era) mentality, but we're not living in a civil rights-based world anymore," he said. "We want to say, `You're black, you need to stand behind black people.'"

Luckett said one reason he voted for Obama in the 2008 primary against Hillary Clinton was because Obama is black: "Yes, I will admit that."

Is that racism? Not in Luckett's mind. "It's voting for someone who would understand your side of the coin a lot better."

Such logic runs into trouble when applied to a white person voting for Romney because he understands whiteness better. Ron Christie, a black conservative who worked for former President George W. Bush, finds both sides of that coin unacceptable.

"It's not the vision that our leaders in the civil rights movement would have envisioned and be proud of in the era of the first African-American president," Christie said.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OBAMA_BLACK_FAVORITISM?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-10-13-14-08-26


There is more to the article read the rest if you dare..

hahaha


Unfortunatly that is why and the only reason most black and minorities voted for him.

msharmony's photo
Sun 10/14/12 02:11 AM


Do black people support Obama because he's black?

Surviving slavery, segregation and discrimination has forged a special pride in African-Americans. Now some are saying this hard-earned pride has become prejudice in the form of blind loyalty to President Barack Obama.

Are black people supporting Obama mainly because he's black? If race is just one factor in blacks' support of Obama, does that make them racist? Can blacks' support for Obama be compared with white voters who may favor his Republican challenger, Mitt Romney, because he's white?

These questions have long animated conservatives who are frustrated by claims that white people who oppose Obama's policies are racist. This week, when a black actress who tweeted an endorsement of Romney was subjected to a stream of abuse from other African-Americans, the politics of racial accusation came full circle once again.

Stacey Dash, who also has Mexican heritage, is best known for the 1995 film "Clueless" and the recent cable-TV drama "Single Ladies." On Twitter, she was called "jigaboo," "traitor," "house ******" and worse after posting, "Vote for Romney. The only choice for your future."

The theme of the insults: A black woman would have to be stupid, subservient or both to choose a white Republican over the first black president.

Russell Simmons, the hip-hop mogul and Obama backer, called Dash's experience "racism." Said Barbara Walters on "The View": "If she were white, this wouldn't have happened."

Twitter users are by no means representative of America, and many black Obama supporters quickly denounced the attacks. But for people like Art Gary, an information technology professional, the reason Dash was attacked is simple: She is a black woman supporting a white candidate over a black one.

"It goes both ways," said Gary, who is white. "There is racial bias amongst whites, and there is racial bias amongst blacks. But as far as the press is concerned, it only goes one way."

Antonio Luckett, a sales representative in Milwaukee who is black, called the attacks on Dash unfair. But when people speak out against a symbol of black progress like Obama, he said, "African-Americans tend to be internally hurt by that."

"We still have a civil rights (era) mentality, but we're not living in a civil rights-based world anymore," he said. "We want to say, `You're black, you need to stand behind black people.'"

Luckett said one reason he voted for Obama in the 2008 primary against Hillary Clinton was because Obama is black: "Yes, I will admit that."

Is that racism? Not in Luckett's mind. "It's voting for someone who would understand your side of the coin a lot better."

Such logic runs into trouble when applied to a white person voting for Romney because he understands whiteness better. Ron Christie, a black conservative who worked for former President George W. Bush, finds both sides of that coin unacceptable.

"It's not the vision that our leaders in the civil rights movement would have envisioned and be proud of in the era of the first African-American president," Christie said.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OBAMA_BLACK_FAVORITISM?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-10-13-14-08-26


There is more to the article read the rest if you dare..

hahaha


Unfortunatly that is why and the only reason most black and minorities voted for him.



or the reason 'most' whites dont,,,,,



msharmony's photo
Sun 10/14/12 02:11 AM


Do black people support Obama because he's black?

Surviving slavery, segregation and discrimination has forged a special pride in African-Americans. Now some are saying this hard-earned pride has become prejudice in the form of blind loyalty to President Barack Obama.

Are black people supporting Obama mainly because he's black? If race is just one factor in blacks' support of Obama, does that make them racist? Can blacks' support for Obama be compared with white voters who may favor his Republican challenger, Mitt Romney, because he's white?

These questions have long animated conservatives who are frustrated by claims that white people who oppose Obama's policies are racist. This week, when a black actress who tweeted an endorsement of Romney was subjected to a stream of abuse from other African-Americans, the politics of racial accusation came full circle once again.

Stacey Dash, who also has Mexican heritage, is best known for the 1995 film "Clueless" and the recent cable-TV drama "Single Ladies." On Twitter, she was called "jigaboo," "traitor," "house ******" and worse after posting, "Vote for Romney. The only choice for your future."

The theme of the insults: A black woman would have to be stupid, subservient or both to choose a white Republican over the first black president.

Russell Simmons, the hip-hop mogul and Obama backer, called Dash's experience "racism." Said Barbara Walters on "The View": "If she were white, this wouldn't have happened."

Twitter users are by no means representative of America, and many black Obama supporters quickly denounced the attacks. But for people like Art Gary, an information technology professional, the reason Dash was attacked is simple: She is a black woman supporting a white candidate over a black one.

"It goes both ways," said Gary, who is white. "There is racial bias amongst whites, and there is racial bias amongst blacks. But as far as the press is concerned, it only goes one way."

Antonio Luckett, a sales representative in Milwaukee who is black, called the attacks on Dash unfair. But when people speak out against a symbol of black progress like Obama, he said, "African-Americans tend to be internally hurt by that."

"We still have a civil rights (era) mentality, but we're not living in a civil rights-based world anymore," he said. "We want to say, `You're black, you need to stand behind black people.'"

Luckett said one reason he voted for Obama in the 2008 primary against Hillary Clinton was because Obama is black: "Yes, I will admit that."

Is that racism? Not in Luckett's mind. "It's voting for someone who would understand your side of the coin a lot better."

Such logic runs into trouble when applied to a white person voting for Romney because he understands whiteness better. Ron Christie, a black conservative who worked for former President George W. Bush, finds both sides of that coin unacceptable.

"It's not the vision that our leaders in the civil rights movement would have envisioned and be proud of in the era of the first African-American president," Christie said.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OBAMA_BLACK_FAVORITISM?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-10-13-14-08-26


There is more to the article read the rest if you dare..

hahaha


Unfortunatly that is why and the only reason most black and minorities voted for him.



or the reason 'most' whites dont,,,,,



willing2's photo
Sun 10/14/12 04:50 AM
The machine put him up against McCain, who could make even Bonzo look intelligent.

The Dems used their token to regain the slumping negro vote.

Sad part is, they couldn't force themselves to get a full-blood negro.

Gimme my oBamby phone and I vote fo' oBamby! “Hussein Gonna Pay For My Gas and Mortgage!” <<Obummer supporter mentality.

msharmony's photo
Sun 10/14/12 10:39 AM
people keep forgetting there were several other democrats who ran but they didnt beat OBama,, plain and simple

Obama was far from the only choice, and blacks were far from able to elect OBama by themself,,,it took the combined vote of blacks AND whites to elect Obama and those whites could have easily voted for one of the white candidates (like they have done throughout american history) if they thought they were better,,,


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Sun 10/14/12 11:36 AM
or, they could be just stupid voters.

msharmony's photo
Sun 10/14/12 11:40 AM
I think stupid has no political affiliation,,,or exclusive candidate

msharmony's photo
Sun 10/14/12 11:40 AM
I think stupid has no political affiliation,,,or exclusive candidate

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Sun 10/14/12 11:51 AM

I think stupid has no political affiliation,,,or exclusive candidate

I'm glad that you agree with me.:smile: