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Edited by
willing2
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So which one do you hold on a higher level? An oath may have taken or God's specific instructions on the subject? Why take an oath that goes against God's will and again instruction(s)? The swearing to protect and honor is done in the name of Jesus, in the churches. And here is a post you may have accidentally missed. I don't take no crap from anyone. We either get along and have a good relation, or one will treat me like crap and be discontinued in my life. I won't just bend over and allow one to treat me the way they wish. That is contradictory to what you are preaching, no? I read, no matter how one is treated, it's Christ-like to turn the other cheek and forgive. Just because someone abuses you, aren't you supposed to just forgive? If that abusive person is in your house, do you kick them out or, turn the other cheek and allow the abuse? Now, again. If someone is raping and sodomizing you wife and kids, that's all good? But, if someone gives you a little grief, you won't bend over and take it? They would have to force you to bend over for you to be good with it?? |
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You left out a part. Your profile says you take no crap from noone. I am confused and will you tell us all what that means? I respect what you put on as a description of yourself. I am just confused because that statement and what you print here seem to conflict. I don't take no crap from anyone. We either get along and have a good relation, or one will treat me like crap and be discontinued in my life. I won't just bend over and allow one to treat me the way they wish. That is contradictory to what you are preaching, no? I read, no matter how one is treated, it's Christ-like to turn the other cheek and forgive. Just because someone abuses you, aren't you supposed to just forgive? If that abusive person is in your house, do you kick them out or, turn the other cheek and allow the abuse? Now, again. If someone is raping and sodomizing you wife and kids, that's all good? But, if someone gives you a little grief, you won't bend over and take it? They would have to force you to bend over for you to be good with it?? I read, no matter how one is treated, it's Christ-like to turn the other cheek and forgive. Just because someone abuses you, aren't you supposed to just forgive? Forgiving someone, doesn't mean forgetting. Nor does it mean keeping that person in your life. Just means no retaliation nor any harsh feelings afterwards. If that abusive person is in your house, do you kick them out or, turn the other cheek and allow the abuse? Same answer as before, it's basically the same question. So what if they destroy and or steal my belongings? The things I possess on Earth are but worthless junk. Even my finest things are but junk to the treasures of Heaven. Why waste the time and energy trying to keep something I will eventually loose anyways no matter what when I leave this world? But, if someone gives you a little grief, you won't bend over and take it? They would have to force you to bend over for you to be good with it?? Just because I would "turn the other cheek" doesn't mean I would be "alright" with it, what are you talking about? Just means I'm willing to be the bigger man and not do the same stupid disobedient things he was doing. The root of "Christian" is "Christ". In being a "Christian" we are trying to be as "Christ" in the sense of how he behaved and or instructed to behave. Did Jesus retaliate when they went to get him for the crucifixion? Did he fight in any sense way or form? Does Jesus even instruct retaliation in such a manner? Or does he again teach turning the other cheek and or forgiveness? |
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Edited by
CeriseRose
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Fri 09/28/12 04:06 PM
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I think of the story of the Centurion who asked the Lord to say the Word to heal his servant. This guy was a soldier who was on duty, ready to defend what he enlisted to defend. Yet as Jesus saw that this soldier was a man of faith his blessings were granted. The man was not condemned for his military duty. Matthew 8: 5, And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him, 6, And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented. 7, And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him. 8, The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed. 9, For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it. 10, When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel. 11, And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. 12, But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 13, And Jesus said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour. Cerise, Can you please explain the relevance of this post? A soldier asked the LORD to heal a servant, not specifically a military servant, but just a servant back at his home. Again, where is the relevance to this discussion? The Centurion was a man ready to fight and to defend his cause... Jesus granted his request...and commended his faith. but there was no condemnation toward him for his military duty/obligation. We Christians, have spiritual battles and we have physical battles. The U.S. Military has my blessings when "our cause it is just. And this be our motto, In God is our trust". |
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I think of the story of the Centurion who asked the Lord to say the Word to heal his servant. This guy was a soldier who was on duty, ready to defend what he enlisted to defend. Yet as Jesus saw that this soldier was a man of faith his blessings were granted. The man was not condemned for his military duty. Matthew 8: 5, And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him, 6, And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented. 7, And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him. 8, The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed. 9, For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it. 10, When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel. 11, And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. 12, But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 13, And Jesus said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour. Cerise, Can you please explain the relevance of this post? A soldier asked the LORD to heal a servant, not specifically a military servant, but just a servant back at his home. Again, where is the relevance to this discussion? The Centurion was a man ready to fight and to defend his cause... Jesus granted his request...and commended his faith. but there was no condemnation toward him for his military duty/obligation. We Christians, have spiritual battles and we have physical battles. The U.S. Military has my blessings when "our cause it is just. And this be our motto, In God is our trust". Being healed, or any other blessing from God is not "earned". It is a free gift. You don't feel God helps even atheists? Not saying you do or don't, just asking a question that came to me after seeing this post of yours. Do you feel one must earn God's blessings? Tithes maybe? God's love for us is free, salvation is free. There's not one thing one could do to earn more love of Jesus over another. And besides that, the Centurion wasn't asking anything for himself. He asked for his servant back at home that had no military affiliation. So how would the military man's stance in the army have anything to do with Jesus helping the servant? |
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Edited by
CeriseRose
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Fri 09/28/12 04:21 PM
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Being healed, or any other blessing from God is not "earned". It is a free gift. You don't feel God helps even atheists? Not saying you do or don't, just asking a question that came to me after seeing this post of yours. Do you feel one must earn God's blessings? Tithes maybe? God's love for us is free, salvation is free. There's not one thing one could do to earn more love of Jesus over another. And besides that, the Centurion wasn't asking anything for himself. He asked for his servant back at home that had no military affiliation. So how would the military man's stance in the army have anything to do with Jesus helping the servant? ??? Lord, open the eyes of your believers. Give them discernment, please. |
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Being healed, or any other blessing from God is not "earned". It is a free gift. You don't feel God helps even atheists? Not saying you do or don't, just asking a question that came to me after seeing this post of yours. Do you feel one must earn God's blessings? Tithes maybe? God's love for us is free, salvation is free. There's not one thing one could do to earn more love of Jesus over another. And besides that, the Centurion wasn't asking anything for himself. He asked for his servant back at home that had no military affiliation. So how would the military man's stance in the army have anything to do with Jesus helping the servant? ??? Lord, open the eyes of your believers. Give them discernment, please. Do not need to answer this question(s) if it makes you feel uncomfortable or anything. But does Jesus only heal/help his followers? Only the people that have given their life over to him? Or can anyone ask God for help/something? Does Jesus only speak of specifically "Christians"? Cause if I'm not mistaken, the term "Christian" is not included in the scriptures, or at least the older more original translations. Or even outside of terminology like this, does God only help those who have given him their lives? Just on a general broad note, lets leave it at people who believe/worship. And just because one has taken the title and claims to be a "Christian", does that automatically make him/her a child of God? Are we not all children of God? Weather it be a Christian, Jew, or otherwise? Do we only receive blessings once we have taken a specific title? Or in this case, do sinners get blessings from God? Is one sin greater then another? Cause I believe God specifically said all sins but one are forgivable, so that would seem to me all but that one sin are all on the same level. Weather it be stealing, lying, or anything other sin but denying the LORD thy God. Basically what I'm asking in the long run lol. Do you feel that just because this person was in the military, even though it's against what God has instructed, he shouldn't be given what he asked? |
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Being healed, or any other blessing from God is not "earned". It is a free gift. You don't feel God helps even atheists? Not saying you do or don't, just asking a question that came to me after seeing this post of yours. Do you feel one must earn God's blessings? Tithes maybe? God's love for us is free, salvation is free. There's not one thing one could do to earn more love of Jesus over another. And besides that, the Centurion wasn't asking anything for himself. He asked for his servant back at home that had no military affiliation. So how would the military man's stance in the army have anything to do with Jesus helping the servant? ??? Lord, open the eyes of your believers. Give them discernment, please. Do not need to answer this question(s) if it makes you feel uncomfortable or anything. But does Jesus only heal/help his followers? Only the people that have given their life over to him? Or can anyone ask God for help/something? Does Jesus only speak of specifically "Christians"? Cause if I'm not mistaken, the term "Christian" is not included in the scriptures, or at least the older more original translations. Or even outside of terminology like this, does God only help those who have given him their lives? Just on a general broad note, lets leave it at people who believe/worship. And just because one has taken the title and claims to be a "Christian", does that automatically make him/her a child of God? Are we not all children of God? Weather it be a Christian, Jew, or otherwise? Do we only receive blessings once we have taken a specific title? Or in this case, do sinners get blessings from God? Is one sin greater then another? Cause I believe God specifically said all sins but one are forgivable, so that would seem to me all but that one sin are all on the same level. Weather it be stealing, lying, or anything other sin but denying the LORD thy God. Basically what I'm asking in the long run lol. Do you feel that just because this person was in the military, even though it's against what God has instructed, he shouldn't be given what he asked? Off topic! Lord, please continue to watch over uche9aa and his loved ones! In Jesus Name,Amen!!! |
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"If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him," we are told in Exodus 22:2. The next verse says, "If the sun be risen upon him, there shall be blood shed for him; for he should make full restitution; if he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft."
In other words, it was perfectly OK to kill a thief breaking into your house. That's the ultimate expression of self-defense. It doesn't matter whether the thief is threatening your life or not. You have the right to protect your home, your family and your property, the Bible says. The Israelites were expected to have their own personal weapons. Every man would be summoned to arms when the nation confronted an enemy. They didn't send in the Marines. The people defended themselves. In 1 Samuel 25:13, we read: "And David said unto his men, Gird ye on every man his sword. And they girded on every man his sword; and David also girded on his sword: and there went up after David about four hundred men; and two hundred abode by the stuff." Every man had a sword and every man picked it up when it was required. Judges 5:8 reminds us of what happens to a foolish nation that chooses to disarm: "They chose new gods; then was war in the gates: was there a shield or spear seen among forty thousand in Israel?" The answer to the rhetorical question is clear: No. The people had rebelled against God and put away their weapons of self-defense. "Blessed be the LORD my strength which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight," David writes in Psalms 144:1. Clearly, this is not a pacifist God we serve. It's God who teaches our hands to war and our fingers to fight. Over and over again throughout the Old Testament, His people are commanded to fight with the best weapons available to them at that time. And what were those weapons? Swords. They didn't have firearms, but they had sidearms. In fact, in the New Testament, Jesus commanded His disciples to buy them and strap them on. Don't believe me? Check it out. Luke 22:36: "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." |
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http://www.gotquestions.org/military-Christian.html
Question: "What does the Bible say about a Christian serving in the military?" Answer: The Bible contains plenty of information about serving in the military. While many of the Bible’s references to the military are only analogies, several verses directly relate to this question. The Bible does not specifically state whether or not someone should serve in the military. At the same time, Christians can rest assured that being a soldier is highly respected throughout the Scriptures and know that such service is consistent with a biblical worldview. The first example of military service is found in the Old Testament (Genesis 14), when Abraham's nephew Lot was kidnapped by Chedorlaomer, king of Elam, and his allies. Abraham rallied to Lot's aid by gathering 318 trained men of his household and defeating the Elamites. Here we see armed forces engaged in a noble task—rescuing and protecting the innocent. Late in its history, the nation of Israel developed a standing army. The sense that God was the Divine Warrior and would protect His people regardless of their military strength may have been a reason why Israel was slow to develop an army. The development of a regular standing army in Israel came only after a strong, centralized political system had been developed by Saul, David, and Solomon. Saul was the first to form a permanent army (1 Samuel 13:2; 24:2; 26:2). What Saul began, David continued. He increased the army, brought in hired troops from other regions who were loyal to him alone (2 Samuel 15:19-22) and turned over the direct leadership of his armies to a commander-in-chief, Joab. Under David, Israel also became more aggressive in its offensive military policies, absorbing neighboring states like Ammon (2 Samuel 11:1; 1 Chronicles 20:1-3). David established a system of rotating troops with twelve groups of 24,000 men serving one month of the year (1 Chronicles 27). Although Solomon's reign was peaceful, he further expanded the army, adding chariots and horsemen (1 Kings 10:26). The standing army continued (though divided along with the kingdom after the death of Solomon) until 586 B.C., when Israel (Judah) ceased to exist as a political entity. In the New Testament, Jesus marveled when a Roman centurion (an officer in charge of one hundred soldiers) approached Him. The centurion’s response to Jesus indicated his clear understanding of authority, as well as his faith in Jesus (Matthew 8:5-13). Jesus did not denounce his career. Many centurions mentioned in the New Testament are praised as Christians, God-fearers, and men of good character (Matthew 8:5; 27:54; Mark 15:39-45; Luke 7:2; 23:47; Acts 10:1; 21:32; 28:16). The places and the titles may have changed, but our armed forces should be just as valued as the centurions of the Bible. The position of soldier was highly respected. For example, Paul describes Epaphroditus, a fellow Christian, as a “fellow soldier” (Philippians 2:25). The Bible also uses military terms to describe being strong in the Lord by putting on the whole armor of God (Ephesians 6:10-20), including the tools of the soldier—helmet, shield, and sword. Yes, the Bible does address serving in the military, directly and indirectly. The Christian men and women who serve their country with character, dignity, and honor can rest assured that the civic duty they perform is condoned and respected by our sovereign God. Those who honorably serve in the military deserve our respect and gratitude. |
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Question: "What does the Bible say about war?"
Answer: Many people make the mistake of reading what the Bible says in Exodus 20:13, “You shall not kill,” and then seeking to apply this command to war. However, the Hebrew word literally means “the intentional, premeditated killing of another person with malice; murder.” God often ordered the Israelites to go to war with other nations (1 Samuel 15:3; Joshua 4:13). God ordered the death penalty for numerous crimes (Exodus 21:12, 15; 22:19; Leviticus 20:11). So, God is not against killing in all circumstances, but only murder. War is never a good thing, but sometimes it is a necessary thing. In a world filled with sinful people (Romans 3:10-18), war is inevitable. Sometimes the only way to keep sinful people from doing great harm to the innocent is by going to war. In the Old Testament, God ordered the Israelites to “take vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites” (Numbers 31:2). Deuteronomy 20:16-17 declares, “However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them…as the LORD your God has commanded you.” Also, 1 Samuel 15:18 says, “Go and completely destroy those wicked people, the Amalekites; make war on them until you have wiped them out.” Obviously God is not against all war. Jesus is always in perfect agreement with the Father (John 10:30), so we cannot argue that war was only God’s will in the Old Testament. God does not change (Malachi 3:6; James 1:17). Jesus’ second coming will be exceedingly violent. Revelation 19:11-21 describes the ultimate war with Christ, the conquering commander who judges and makes war “with justice” (v. 11). It’s going to be bloody (v. 13) and gory. The birds will eat the flesh of all those who oppose Him (v. 17-18). He has no compassion upon His enemies, whom He will conquer completely and consign to a “fiery lake of burning sulfur” (v. 20). It is an error to say that God never supports a war. Jesus is not a pacifist. In a world filled with evil people, sometimes war is necessary to prevent even greater evil. If Hitler had not been defeated by World War II, how many more millions would have been killed? If the American Civil War had not been fought, how much longer would African-Americans have had to suffer as slaves? War is a terrible thing. Some wars are more “just” than others, but war is always the result of sin (Romans 3:10-18). At the same time, Ecclesiastes 3:8 declares, “There is…a time to love and a time to hate, a time for war and a time for peace.” In a world filled with sin, hatred, and evil (Romans 3:10-18), war is inevitable. Christians should not desire war, but neither are Christians to oppose the government God has placed in authority over them (Romans 13:1-4; 1 Peter 2:17). The most important thing we can be doing in a time of war is to be praying for godly wisdom for our leaders, praying for the safety of our military, praying for quick resolution to conflicts, and praying for a minimum of casualties among civilians on both sides (Philippians 4:6-7). Recommended Resource: War: Four Christian Views by Robert G. Clouse. http://www.gotquestions.org/war-Bible.html |
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Ms CeriseRose.
I honor and respect your searching these things out. I am also content that you nor I suffer from a God complex. For the preacher. Fight hard and don't make it easy for the devil extremist muslims to kill you. I added the word extremist, satisfied? |
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Ms CeriseRose. I honor and respect your searching these things out. I am also content that you nor I suffer from a God complex. For the preacher. Fight hard and don't make it easy for the devil extremist muslims to kill you. I added the word extremist, satisfied? Thank you for helping to make an important point for the "preacher". Be safe uche9aa! |
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Edited by
CowboyGH
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Fri 09/28/12 10:08 PM
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Question: "What does the Bible say about war?" Answer: Many people make the mistake of reading what the Bible says in Exodus 20:13, “You shall not kill,” and then seeking to apply this command to war. However, the Hebrew word literally means “the intentional, premeditated killing of another person with malice; murder.” God often ordered the Israelites to go to war with other nations (1 Samuel 15:3; Joshua 4:13). God ordered the death penalty for numerous crimes (Exodus 21:12, 15; 22:19; Leviticus 20:11). So, God is not against killing in all circumstances, but only murder. War is never a good thing, but sometimes it is a necessary thing. In a world filled with sinful people (Romans 3:10-18), war is inevitable. Sometimes the only way to keep sinful people from doing great harm to the innocent is by going to war. In the Old Testament, God ordered the Israelites to “take vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites” (Numbers 31:2). Deuteronomy 20:16-17 declares, “However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them…as the LORD your God has commanded you.” Also, 1 Samuel 15:18 says, “Go and completely destroy those wicked people, the Amalekites; make war on them until you have wiped them out.” Obviously God is not against all war. Jesus is always in perfect agreement with the Father (John 10:30), so we cannot argue that war was only God’s will in the Old Testament. God does not change (Malachi 3:6; James 1:17). Jesus’ second coming will be exceedingly violent. Revelation 19:11-21 describes the ultimate war with Christ, the conquering commander who judges and makes war “with justice” (v. 11). It’s going to be bloody (v. 13) and gory. The birds will eat the flesh of all those who oppose Him (v. 17-18). He has no compassion upon His enemies, whom He will conquer completely and consign to a “fiery lake of burning sulfur” (v. 20). It is an error to say that God never supports a war. Jesus is not a pacifist. In a world filled with evil people, sometimes war is necessary to prevent even greater evil. If Hitler had not been defeated by World War II, how many more millions would have been killed? If the American Civil War had not been fought, how much longer would African-Americans have had to suffer as slaves? War is a terrible thing. Some wars are more “just” than others, but war is always the result of sin (Romans 3:10-18). At the same time, Ecclesiastes 3:8 declares, “There is…a time to love and a time to hate, a time for war and a time for peace.” In a world filled with sin, hatred, and evil (Romans 3:10-18), war is inevitable. Christians should not desire war, but neither are Christians to oppose the government God has placed in authority over them (Romans 13:1-4; 1 Peter 2:17). The most important thing we can be doing in a time of war is to be praying for godly wisdom for our leaders, praying for the safety of our military, praying for quick resolution to conflicts, and praying for a minimum of casualties among civilians on both sides (Philippians 4:6-7). Recommended Resource: War: Four Christian Views by Robert G. Clouse. http://www.gotquestions.org/war-Bible.html It is an error to say that God never supports a war. Jesus is not a pacifist. In a world filled with evil people, sometimes war is necessary to prevent even greater evil. If Hitler had not been defeated by World War II, how many more millions would have been killed? If the American Civil War had not been fought, how much longer would African-Americans have had to suffer as slaves? No, "Jesus" isn't a pacifist. Jesus is God, he is the judge. He possess the right to judge those that do wrong, we do not. We have been told not to judge. Therefore we have no right to "murder" anyone. Even if by state law or whatever it's considered a legal "execution", it is nevertheless murder because God has told us not to take the life of another. And not to judge, therefore we have no right to make the judgement in the first place. |
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Dear brother,i agree with you totally.I was replying willing2 Pastor For a long time I didn't fully understand why missionaries from America would go out to other seemingly Godless countries talking about finding Christians around the world praying for us Christians here in the US because of our lack of struggle. I get it now my brother. I understand. And while I long for pease, which will come, I also envy the purity of heart the Lord has seemed fit to allow in your circumstances. May you never know the weekness of faith a tolerant assumed advanced society developed like we have. As times turn harder here, pray for us as so many will find a foundation built on sand that has washed away and they will turn from God because of there own lack of understanding. And we will continue to pray for you and those God is reaching through you. |
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Jesus is God Are you sure that statement is in the bible? |
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Is he not?
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Is he not? From my understanding, Jesus was the son of God, no? |
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